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... why would Squall be the 10th strongest character after he lost clean to Vincent 1vs1?

Vincent and Squall are probably about equal. Their 2005 match wasn't really a "clean" win for Vincent.
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Eh, I'm reasonably sure sure that Crono = Mega Man > Sonic now.

And all 3 would probably lose to Vince and Squall with Auron having a close match. Doubt any of that 6 wins a match between them by more than 53-46 though.
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At least for now.

Ah heh. I just rechecked the results of Mega Man/Zero, which were actually 56/43. Which the wiki even says looks like 0 SFF. So, uh.

Ignore my diseased ranting, plz

Crono = Megaman = Vincent = Squall = Tifa > Auron = Sora = Zack > Sonic = MMX

That's what I'm going with for now!
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Yeah but I don't see Magus having the same type of fanbase that Knuckles has. Knuckles has remained relevant through the Sonic games as he's almost always involved as a playable character. And despite the fact that most people here don't like new Sonic games, exposure is always good when you're already an established, likable character.

Magus on the other hand was more of a hype train than anything (in my opinion).

But you're right, it's possible that he could have dropped a lot. But we'll see I guess. Next round should be very telling. I think Sonic can pull in 60% on Ganondorf.
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Like you were 100% sure Crono was gonna beat Missingno right nintendogirl? ROFL
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C'mon, Knux! Bring it back down under the doubling, at least!
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From: paraboxx | #453
Ah heh. I just rechecked the results of Mega Man/Zero, which were actually 56/43. Which the wiki even says looks like 0 SFF. So, uh.

Ignore my diseased ranting, plz

That match is the one people always point at for rSFF. Or that one match Ulti never stops going on about.
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Knuckles has remained relevant through the Sonic games as he's almost always involved as a playable character.

What? No, he hasn't. Knuckles hasn't had a relevant appearance in a Sonic game since Sonic Heroes (other than Sonic Chronicles, which I don't think sold well).
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Geez, you people give Sonic no respect >_< Even after he beats Kirby people will come up with excuses.

Oh well, at least he didn't break the Noble Nine(twice) :p
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At least for now.

I find it interesting that most of the near-elites are Final Fantasy characters whose best hope of staying relevant is Kingdom Hearts. Sure, Crono/Sonic/Mega may drop in the future, but won't the FF people too?

Oh well, at least he didn't break the Noble Nine(twice) :p

1. Lost to Auron
2. Lost to Kirby
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I would assume that Squall > Vincent now since Squall has had recent exposure while Vincent hasn't and the match was so close to begin with. I also think a bit of the Squall hate is wearing off.


That's... ridiculous.

Can you tell me how that is ridiculous? That match was really close, and Vincent hasn't had any exposure while Squall has. That's pretty much all that is needed to tip a very close match in favor of Squall.
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Since Vincent/Squall, Vincent had Advent Children (which released very shortly after that match) and Dirge of Cerberus, so he has had some exposure.
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From: Sonic_Factor | #456
Like you were 100% sure Crono was gonna beat Missingno right nintendogirl? ROFL

Did you not notice me saying and I quote, "I am Snowflaking the **** out of this match".

I have Charizard > Sora, I'm a pokéfreak. It looked likely for a bit that Crono would win, but I never really gave up hope. It's just nicer to win unexpectedly, than to predict a win and get nervous a la Red/Ocelot.
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TBH.

Vincent/Squall is a toss-up. I don't know how you can call that clear cut for Vincent when he won with all of 50.5% five years ago.
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From: paraboxx | #461
At least for now.

I find it interesting that most of the near-elites are Final Fantasy characters whose best hope of staying relevant is Kingdom Hearts. Sure, Crono/Sonic/Mega may drop in the future, but won't the FF people too?

You'd think, but there's always the chance of a remake as well (also, FF7 is a live series and will almost surely have more games... Zack wasn't relevant until recently). Auron seems to have gained power since FFX. He certainly seemed very strong last year, much moreso than he was before.
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Squall was also in Dissidia, not just KH.

But anyway, Crono is definitely not stronger than Sonic.

4 ways don't count.
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From: KnuxBeatMagus | #462
Oh well, at least he didn't break the Noble Nine(twice) :p

1. Lost to Auron
2. Lost to Kirby

Thats not what I meant, damnit :D
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Well, you mentioned twice in parenthesis, which meant I'm assuming you were referring to Crono/Vincent in 4-ways, so those matches count!
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Sonic > Crono

Sonic >= MM

IMO.
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Nominate Red XIII for the Character Battle VII!
He's the Lion with a fire tail from Final Fantasy VII.

Still going with Crono > Sonic until Sonic convinces me otherwise. SFF beatdown of someone who barely beat Cecil isn't going to cut it.
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^--- this.

Although I think Sonic is straight up stronger than MM.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

4 ways don't count.

Of course they don't. If you want people to start taking your arguments seriously, then don't just throw out things that make your side of the argument look bad. You don't get to pick and choose what matches count.
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Only Sonic is going to be in Sonic 4 though, right? I could see it helping him if it's well received, but MM9 didn't seem to help Mega Man out much.

My thoughts exactly. MM9 was very catered to people who loved the old Mega Man-games, and despite great execution it did nothing for Mega Man's strength in 2008. I believe MM9 was one of the best-selling MM-games to date, too, so I don't know exactly what Sonic 4 is going to do for Sonic that MM9 couldn't do for Mega Man.
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MM's power has never really faded though, at least not the way Sonic's has.
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From: KnuxBeatMagus | #470
Well, you mentioned twice in parenthesis, which meant I'm assuming you were referring to Crono/Vincent in 4-ways, so those matches count!

Yeah, but I meant the first NNer to lose in both formats.

Man, Sonic better get his act together and beat Kirby this year >_>
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Chart from yesterday's match:

Time | The Cube | The Boss | Votes
0:05 | 53.65% | 46.35% | 917
1:00 | 53.26% | 46.74% | 8868
2:00 | 52.78% | 47.22% | 7563
3:00 | 52.69% | 47.31% | 6916
4:00 | 54.69% | 45.31% | 7318
5:00 | 55.60% | 44.40% | 7198
6:00 | 53.12% | 46.88% | 6920
7:00 | 53.98% | 46.02% | 6371
8:00 | 54.30% | 45.70% | 5593
9:00 | 54.70% | 45.30% | 5252
10:00 | 52.36% | 47.64% | 4752
11:00 | 54.43% | 45.57% | 4286
12:00 | 54.00% | 46.00% | 3561

The Boss does pretty well in the early hours, but the Cube does a good bit better with the day vote.
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I think Sonic 4 will boost him. Mega Man just lost power because he lost relevance. Having another game similar to the old ones won't draw in new fans. SonicTeam's recent string of terrible game has led to a lot of Sonic hate and anti-votes. I think Sonic 4 will stop the bleeding and bring back a lot of old fans who became disenchanted with the series.

Sonic is more of a gaming icon than Mega Man by a land slide and nostalgia is a powerful thing. Sonic also appeals to more people because kids have been playing his newer games for years (and yes, their sales are way better than Mega Man sales).

You can have a great game, but if nobody buys it it really doesn't matter. Sonic games on the other hand always seem to sell relatively well despite what people think of them.

Sonic 4 will hopefully be an extra-needed boost.

Also I'm not the only person that thinks 4 ways don't apply to 1v1s. I think they should be kept separate, so do a lot of people. I'm not picking and choosing; I'm just pointing out that 4 ways are impossible to extrapolate properly into 1v1s.
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Also I'm not the only person that thinks 4 ways don't apply to 1v1s.

Who, Ulti? He just laughs anything off if it doesn't line up one time and just keeps laughing it off.

Not exactly the type of rationale I'd follow.
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

I think Sonic 4 will boost him. Mega Man just lost power because he lost relevance. Having another game similar to the old ones won't draw in new fans. SonicTeam's recent string of terrible game has led to a lot of Sonic hate and anti-votes. I think Sonic 4 will stop the bleeding and bring back a lot of old fans who became disenchanted with the series.

The problem with that is that it's a downloadable game, like MM9 was. And MM9 didn't help Mega Man much, if it even did at all. Also, Tim. He was from a downloadable game, and he did TERRIBLE.
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Almost a perfect doubling.

2*Knuckles + 1 = Sonic
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Aw yeah, basic math.

My thoughts exactly. MM9 was very catered to people who loved the old Mega Man-games, and despite great execution it did nothing for Mega Man's strength in 2008. I believe MM9 was one of the best-selling MM-games to date, too, so I don't know exactly what Sonic 4 is going to do for Sonic that MM9 couldn't do for Mega Man.

But aren't old-school Mega Man fans more satisfied with his recents games than old-school Sonic fans are with Sonic's current stuff? That could make a difference.

Also,

Sonic = Megaman > Crono = Auron = Squall = Vincent > Tifa = Sora = Zack > MMX
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MM9 might have helped. It's hard to tell exactly how strong Megaman was the past 2 years because he was in a lot of LFF/SFF matches. Also, MM9 might have served to stop his decline if nothing else.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi

But aren't old-school Mega Man fans more satisfied with his recents games than old-school Sonic fans are with Sonic's current stuff? That could make a difference.

Depends. Which of Mega Man's 1000 games per year are we referring to?
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Crono hasn't sunk that much.. I'd take him over Auron in a heart beat. Crono =Vincent >= squall
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Sonic 4 might stop the bleeding if it wasn't a downloadable game while they're still making Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Unleashed for retail sale. Sega has to show they're changing the direction of 3D-Sonic, not just bringing back 2D-Sonic in a somewhat-insignificant way -- for as recognized and historic of a series as the Sonic-series is, the downloadable-market typically doesn't compete with regular retail-games as far as importance or fandom. You'll find exceptions with small demographics of fans (I'm one of those exceptions with thinking Braid competes with most modern games, for example), but ultimately our GotY-polls show how they're treated in comparison to retail-games. Just because they're reminding us what Sonic should be doesn't mean they're not pushing 3D-Sonic into a different direction that's been pissing off the fanbase for years.
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MM9 alone has been better received than anything Sonic's done in the past decade, so I think Mega Man wins this one.

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MM beat Sonic back in '05, and see no reason for Sonic to have boosted since then(especially since the amazing embarrassment of Sonic '06 was just around the corner).
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Sonic, Mega Man, and Crono are probably all in the same general area and could win against one another on any given day, I figure.
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

you realize 2k6 sonic was > MM ya?
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Nominate Red XIII for the Character Battle VII!
He's the Lion with a fire tail from Final Fantasy VII.

You're forgetting that being well received doesn't mean anything, because if it isn't brought out to tons of people it's not going to help Mega Man. All the people that downloaded that game are probably people that already loved Mega Man to begin with.

A lot of people that dislike Sonic because of the series path now are going to download this game and relive the nostalgic days of Sonic vs. Mario, when Sonic was in its prime and was probably more popular than Mario at one point.
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From: Sonic_Factor | #493
you realize 2k6 sonic was > MM ya?

By 1/3 of a percent, yeah.
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Yeah...you realize that Sonic was stronger than MM in 06?
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

Sonic is more of a gaming icon than Mega Man by a land slide and nostalgia is a powerful thing. Sonic also appeals to more people because kids have been playing his newer games for years (and yes, their sales are way better than Mega Man sales).

I'm with you here, but Sonic 4 isn't going to compare with Sonic's other games sales-wise like MM9 compared to MM's other games. MM2 was the only million-seller of the original games, and I think MM9 was just a little shy of the million-mark (confirmation would be nice if anybody knows). Sonic 4 isn't getting close to any of the top-selling Sonic-games, and it will be doing well to compete with Sonic 2's sales if you only count its downloaded sales.

I'm excited about it too, but come on...Sonic's not what it used to be and a downloadable game isn't going to change much.
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You're forgetting that being well received doesn't mean anything, because if it isn't brought out to tons of people it's not going to help Mega Man. All the people that downloaded that game are probably people that already loved Mega Man to begin with.

A lot of people that dislike Sonic because of the series path now are going to download this game and relive the nostalgic days of Sonic vs. Mario, when Sonic was in its prime and was probably more popular than Mario at one point.

I'm not sure why Sonic gets people who dislike him to download his game rather than mostly Sonic fans while Mega Man doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt.
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

He was still stronger than koolaid led on.
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Nominate Red XIII for the Character Battle VII!
He's the Lion with a fire tail from Final Fantasy VII.

MM beat Sonic back in '05, and see no reason for Sonic to have boosted since then(especially since the amazing embarrassment of Sonic '06 was just around the corner).

Brawl?

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