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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/14/2010 9:23:42 PM | message detail

Only 5 people fell off the Top 50 today. chocoboslayer, bogalx, DankaBlack, Jinjo802 and Interceptor18 did not have Missingno. beating Crono.

45 people got the match wrong but survived. Current first place Shadowhiei, current second place Fr0g802, currentl third place Drakeryn, Omniscient73, Shadowhiei899, lancealots_son, smasherx, Dr_Football, mdgilb06, Silent_Alarm, eaedwards6400, KrazyHokage, ToadYoshi, fr0g804, Saxophoninator, AffeldtABoob, hawk533, SyLenXoR, Safer_777, tazzyboyishere, Danyeahl, Aaromier, DragoonDave07 (who is the first person listed to actually fall at spot on the Top 50), Krillin373, DarkFalconX, bospsychopaat, L4zythe2nd, GreatSvenster, theVirtelizer, Garrison5001, Randomcrazydude, The_Doom_Dealer, Alastah98, KamikazePotato, Lucky4815162342, justinblake7, Denji2000, HotSkitty, Naomi_Diamond, futuresuperstar, Astro1446, TheOceIot, Silverwarp, Soul_Reaver4 and Megaman_703 also did not have Missingno. beating Crono.

That's a first... The entire leaderboard got a match wrong. Talk about the leaderboard getting rocked big time.
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 2/14/2010 9:23:43 PM | message detail

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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/14/2010 9:23:46 PM | message detail

paraboxx | Posted 2/14/2010 9:23:52 PM | message detail

(And yes, I am ignoring the current match, since 1. it's way less exciting/historic and 2. I picked Soap)

LeonhartFour | Posted 2/14/2010 9:24:09 PM | message detail

I don't think people need to be so hard on red sox for wanting to leave. It's not like he's angry or some stupid fanboy that we see make ridiculous topics every day. Honestly, if Squall had lost to Missingno today, a lot of my interest in these contests would have waned. I think he and I think the same way in regards to this contest for the most part. It's hard seeing a character you love go out like that, honestly.
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charmander6000 | Posted 2/14/2010 9:24:27 PM | message detail

As much flak people gave Crono Missingno is quite obviously the Star of the Round. Crono isn't some mid-card because he lost, he's still one of the strongest characters of the contest.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/14/2010 9:24:52 PM | message detail

From: paraboxx | #249
I'm with Wylvane in doubting that Chrono Trigger got significantly weaker this year. I mean, how could it? It got CTDS last year, its first taste of relevance in years.

...CTDS deboost?

Possible. People in the mainstream experiencing how bad a game it is might have negated him
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Haguile | Posted 2/14/2010 9:25:44 PM | message detail

LOLContests | Posted 2/14/2010 9:26:13 PM | message detail

I would actually feel better about the contests if Link/Sephiroth smashed Missingno. Then that means that Crono is just a lot weaker, and not that joke votes have completely taken over.

I'm still in Starcraft/Wind Waker mode at the time so that may change.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/14/2010 9:26:57 PM | message detail

And great, now the board's been flooded with a bunch of "Is the Noble Nine really dead?" and topics like that. It's like Crono/Vincent 2007 all over again.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/14/2010 9:27:00 PM | message detail

From: EternalxCourage | #240
I think you should stick by your word and leave Red. Even though you have been one of the people that has actually been open minded to discussion, and seem like a pretty good guy. I don't think you should leave because I dislike you -- I think you should leave because of the legitimacy of the contest. I mean, it's not worth getting worked up over so you should stay because of that -- but at the same time why entertain a contest that is so clearly fixed/staged/whatever.

How about instead of red sox leaving, this guy leaves instead on his behalf?

Yoshi has a shot against Missingno, especially if you thought Yoshi > Crono. Missingno's the easy favorite, but I'm not ruling out Yoshi pulling off a win.

Hell, with how crazy this contest has been, the only thing one can be certain about is Zelda > Ezio.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 2/14/2010 9:28:07 PM | message detail

This is late i know, but Soap sux next please.
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ToadYoshi | Posted 2/14/2010 9:28:45 PM | message detail

I'm gonna ignore the current match a little longer to say this: red sox, please stick around. You've earned a place among the elites in these topics and provide a lot of good spirit, and it would be a major loss to our discussions to see you leave over a personal fave losing a match in R1. It's your call, of course, but I'll be selfish and ask you to stay.

I second this motion! Ironically enough, he is the least elitist Red Sox fan I've ever been around!

And we should all rally Crono next year, to make up for this glitch in reality.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 2/14/2010 9:29:05 PM | message detail

From: Not_Wylvane | #261
Hell, with how crazy this contest has been, the only thing one can be certain about is Zelda > Ezio.

Time to start the Alucard>Link train choo-choo!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/14/2010 9:29:06 PM | message detail

One of my favorite characters is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm still around for some reason!

Man, why can't voters get behind a legitimately funny character? Guybrush's whole thing is that he's a hapless joke. <_<
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/14/2010 9:29:24 PM | message detail

Missingno/Yoshi gives me a bad feeling. But then, I couldn't really imagine Missingno getting 50% against Crono either, probably because I haven't played RBY and never knew how big Missingno was.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/14/2010 9:29:49 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #253
Put this in perspective: My favorite character of all time has one win. Over Laharl. Since then, he has been tripled by Tifa, almost lost to Rayman, and got 6% in a vote-in poll.

I know it's painful to see Crono and co. do worse over time, but they still put on good performances.

This is a great point. Hell, my favorite character (Etna) has never even MADE a contest!
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LOLContests | Posted 2/14/2010 9:29:50 PM | message detail

Oh, and I agree that red sox should stay around, of course.
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Gooper Blooper | Posted 2/14/2010 9:30:11 PM | message detail

Put this in perspective: My favorite character of all time has one win. Over Laharl. Since then, he has been tripled by Tifa, almost lost to Rayman, and got 6% in a vote-in poll.

I know it's painful to see Crono and co. do worse over time, but they still put on good performances.

Yeah, this is what I was saying earlier. I played Skies of Arcadia for the first time about two years ago, and it was one of the best experiences I've ever had. Vyse was an awesome lead, and I just don't get how a similarly obscure character with 100% fewer lines than him completely and utterly towers over him in strength. I can really only think of three possible factors: Crono's game is on a more popular system (does nothing for the likes of Laharl), Crono is Square (does nothing for guys like Terra and Kefka, who have done poorly until this year), and Crono looks like a DBZ character (is that even an advantage?!). And to top off the confusion Serge was pretty bad when we saw him (maybe an Altair/Ezio or Mewtwo/Lucario kinda thing going on).

And I like Laharl, too, who has one win... over Neku. I can imagine what Neku fans think of the contest. Maybe for them... it's lost all credibility, perhaps?
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 2/14/2010 9:30:31 PM | message detail

Yeah red sox you're a pretty cool dude, please don't leave over this.
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leon_trunks | Posted 2/14/2010 9:31:35 PM | message detail

Do people seriously buy MW2 and not even touch its single player? I mean one of the only things I find good about MW2/MW is its campaign with some really awesome characters like Price and Soap.
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paraboxx | Posted 2/14/2010 9:32:01 PM | message detail

This is a great point. Hell, my favorite character (Etna) has never even MADE a contest!

Of my top five favorite characters, only one has made a contest.

His name is Terry Bogard. :(

Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/14/2010 9:32:15 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #260
And great, now the board's been flooded with a bunch of "Is the Noble Nine really dead?" and topics like that. It's like Crono/Vincent 2007 all over again.

And that is the funniest part of all.

Even if Crono/Vincent 2007 wasn't enough, I'd still say L-Block winning the 2007 finals over Link, Cloud, and Snake should have ended the N9, even if L-Block today can't beat any of them besides maybe Sonic. It's like Mario winning over Cloud in 2002, Mario certainly wouldn't come close to Cloud today (unless Dissidia deboost is real SAMUS > CLOUD TRAIN CHOO CHOO), but he still earned the win he got over Cloud.

As for 12-hour polls being different... Would Crono really have won if the night vote was included?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/14/2010 9:32:17 PM | message detail

Chart from yesterday's match:

Time | Crono | Missingno | Votes
0:05 | 50.04% | 49.96% | 1175
1:00 | 48.85% | 51.15% | 12196
2:00 | 48.57% | 51.43% | 10565
3:00 | 50.06% | 49.94% | 9380
4:00 | 49.90% | 50.10% | 8690
5:00 | 50.80% | 49.20% | 7813
6:00 | 50.49% | 49.51% | 7421
7:00 | 48.58% | 51.42% | 6955
8:00 | 51.39% | 48.61% | 6044
9:00 | 51.88% | 48.12% | 5503
10:00 | 50.45% | 49.55% | 5742
11:00 | 48.93% | 51.07% | 5702
12:00 | 47.59% | 52.41% | 5070

The percentages speak for themselves, and we've been following them all day long, so you don't need me to explain anything (although the fact that Missingno easily had the biggest hour of the match in the last hour feels very unsettling to me. Either Crono ralliers/stuffers stopped trying or Missingno got away with some of its own). The vote totals were pretty ridiculous. We've never had a match get anywhere close to having two hours of 10,000+ votes, and the 12,000 first hour votes is easily the most for a first hour this contest.

Crono won 6 hours, Missingno won 6 hours.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/14/2010 9:32:28 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #253
Put this in perspective: My favorite character of all time has one win. Over Laharl. Since then, he has been tripled by Tifa, almost lost to Rayman, and got 6% in a vote-in poll.

I know it's painful to see Crono and co. do worse over time, but they still put on good performances.

I'll one up you. My favorite character first appearance was an embarrassing loss to TAILS. And then he finished in a 4-way behind the Prince of Persia :/

So...yeah
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Zenithian Legend | Posted 2/14/2010 9:32:44 PM | message detail

His (Crono) game wasn't very innovative

And in a day of chaos, that is the single most asinine thing I've read. The multiple endings, deep story and the game actually changing events from different eras as you went further back in time doing things that altered the future inside the game. Plus,

CHRONO TRIGGER SPOILERS

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How many rpgs prior to CT killed the main character? Hell... how many games ever killed the main character prior to the end of the game? But apparently that's not "innovative"

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Conversely, we all know how much innovation is involved in a series of games where you just "run" and try to collect rings. Well, I guess that might offer as much replay value as a game like Chrono Trigger if you had an IQ under 60 and couldn't grasp more developed concepts beyond holding in the A button to run.

charmander6000 | Posted 2/14/2010 9:32:44 PM | message detail

Do people seriously buy MW2 and not even touch its single player? I mean one of the only things I find good about MW2/MW is its campaign with some really awesome characters like Price and Soap.

Well Bioshock 2 did just arrive a week ago.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/14/2010 9:33:14 PM | message detail

From: leon_trunks | #271
Do people seriously buy MW2 and not even touch its single player? I mean one of the only things I find good about MW2/MW is its campaign with some really awesome characters like Price and Soap.

Not an easily identifiable part of the game. I bet loads of people play through MW2's campaign barely paying attention to anyone but Price, if that. It's not a character-driven game.
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Japago | Posted 2/14/2010 9:33:35 PM | message detail

Do you guys think Sephiroth > Missingno if Missingno gets there? It took awhile for the LBlock bandwagon to get rolling, right? I think Yoshi has a bit of a chance to beat out Missingno, maybe because it seems that people who don't like the contest and who does well in it seem to be more open to Nintendo characters.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/14/2010 9:33:52 PM | message detail

And the people saying, "Dude, my favorite characters lose all the time!" have favorite characters who don't have high expectations of doing well in these contests. With Crono, it's a bit different. It doesn't bother me when Balthier loses, for instance, because I already know he's fodder, but Squall losing is a different matter.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/14/2010 9:34:00 PM | message detail

From: Zenithian Legend | #276
couldn't grasp more developed concepts beyond holding in the A button to run

What Sonic game is THAT?
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/14/2010 9:34:17 PM | message detail

From: Zenithian Legend | #276

Hahahaha
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/14/2010 9:34:44 PM | message detail

Missingno is (hopefully) going to have a lead of 300+ on Sephiroth at the freeze. He'll need it to win.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/14/2010 9:35:11 PM | message detail

Crono is a top five character for me, and I was rooting against him because I just like seeing exciting matches and upsets. I guess I'm just not as attached to specific characters as some people are.
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Gooper Blooper | Posted 2/14/2010 9:35:12 PM | message detail

This is late i know, but Soap sux next please.

Naw, let Big Daddy have some fun. We need a break anyway.

Do people seriously buy MW2 and not even touch its single player?

I don't play FPS's, but my little brother loves 'em, and I can confirm that he mostly ignores the campaign. It's all about online play nowadays.

As for my favorite character? Hmm... I have a soft spot for the White Mage from Final Fantasy I on design alone, but I can't really think of an overall favorite. I love Kirby, though, and at least he can hold his own in these things. Loved his run in 2008.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 2/14/2010 9:35:15 PM | message detail

Again, if you believe that MN won that match legitimately you are just willfully ignorant for the sake of the contest.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/14/2010 9:35:58 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #280
And the people saying, "Dude, my favorite characters lose all the time!" have favorite characters who don't have high expectations of doing well in these contests. With Crono, it's a bit different. It doesn't bother me when Balthier loses, for instance, because I already know he's fodder, but Squall losing is a different matter.

Meh, Sonic is a huge favorite of mine, but I won't be shedding any tears/leaving the board if he loses to Bacondorf/Kirby/KNUCKLES. Yeah, it sucks but I mean...its not that big of a deal *shrugs*
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EternalxCourage | Posted 2/14/2010 9:36:35 PM | message detail

^ Sonic won't be losing to anyone but Link this year.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/14/2010 9:37:06 PM | message detail

From: EternalxCourage | #286
Again, if you believe that MN won that match legitimately you are just willfully ignorant for the sake of the contest.

I guess you miss the topic where the admin of the site confirmed there was no vote-stuffing then.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/14/2010 9:37:13 PM | message detail

I dunno. I guess I just understand where he's coming from more. I get attached to my favorite characters.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/14/2010 9:37:16 PM | message detail

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From: Sonic_Factor | #252
rofl crono. He deserved to be the one to break it. He didn't belong. His game wasn't very innovative, nor was he an innovative character. That, and his fans are the biggst asshats on this board. I admit Sonic fans can be annoying, but they just dont compare to the elitist jerk attitude most CT fans on this board have.

y helo thar troll.

I won't delve too deeply into why Chrono Trigger is one of the best games of ALL TIME, but suffice it to say, the plot and characters are timeless (for those that remember them, anyway). Let's not even talk about the soundtrack.
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Gooper Blooper | Posted 2/14/2010 9:38:39 PM | message detail

Oh, that reminds me... Did anyone submit a werehog pic for Sonic/Knuckles?

I don't get why we don't see more old-school Sonic art in the contests. Most people hate his later games, right? So why keep giving him post-Adventure pics? Stick with Genesis stuff. He'd probably do a little better as a result.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/14/2010 9:39:13 PM | message detail

And this match is legit in my eyes. If Bacon were to fix a match, it's much more likely we'd have seen Cecil > Knuckles instead.
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paraboxx | Posted 2/14/2010 9:39:29 PM | message detail

I guess you miss the topic where the admin of the site confirmed there was no vote-stuffing then.

Sadly, he didn't.

From: EternalxCourage | #093
Are you people really that willfully ignorant? Good lord.

Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/14/2010 9:39:32 PM | message detail

Really, one of the only characters I'm really attached to in these contests is Arthas due to wanting western characters to look good, and playing WoW so much, it means something to me, and even I got over his pathetic loss in a day.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/14/2010 9:39:43 PM | message detail

Oh, that reminds me... Did anyone submit a werehog pic for Sonic/Knuckles?

Several people did.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/14/2010 9:40:21 PM | message detail

i had no idea people took this contest this seriously. i don't even care what my favorite characters do.

well i did when i was like.. 14. is it that serious folks?
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Japago | Posted 2/14/2010 9:40:32 PM | message detail

And L Block didn't really do well this round. 63% on HK 47 is meh. We'll see, I don't think there will be any joke characters is the bracket past the 3rd round. I was one of the many who were wrong in 07, but yeah.

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