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The next match immediately afterward had like 25% more votes than usual. Are you implying that the 'cheaters' stuck around to cheat in a completely different match, or maybe it's more logical to just assume that the extra votes came from... you know... more people being at the site at the time?

Close matches always have more people around at the beginning of the next one, because there's more people on paying attention to the match. Why would ralliers stick around either?
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"..."---Wander
Yesmar

I always love when people play the cheating card. You don't need a large scale rally by a single site when you have many smaller rallies that can't really be traced.
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Character Battle VIII - 49/60 - Today's Winners: Big Daddy and Ness

There's actually a marked difference between this and Crono and Snake's last hour rallies in the past. I haven't checked (don't want to spend that much time doing calculations) but I'm pretty certain Crono and Snake's matches never got beyond 200 extra votes in the last hour, 300 at most. Frog/Axel probably didn't get much beyond 300, if that, either.

In magnitude, this is on par with Starcraft, and possibly higher given that the 1.09 baseline was conservative and rallying was going on all day on Twitter and stuff. If you use the hour with the lowest ratio as baseline, the estimated rallied votes jumps up to around 6000, which would be above everything except Mario/Crono 2, Mario/Cloud, and the 2007 Final. Of course it's not possible to do this sort of trend-based analysis for the 2007 final because it's not really possible to define a baseline there or to separate extra early voting from rallied voting at the start of it, but looking at other finals and the matches around it there were probably around 30,000-40,000 outside votes in that one. This match was obviously much less hyped and big than that, but that shows it is possible to generate thousands of outside votes across the internet, not really from one source.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I always love when people play the cheating card. You don't need a large scale rally by a single site when you have many smaller rallies that can't really be traced.

So there were 200 small scale rallies for Missingno? I find that hard to believe. People said the same thing about Starcraft doubters, but when the pressure got too high it went and revealed its true colors. People said during Vercetti Vs. Kefka that *Vercetti* was the one making the suspicious moves.
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"..."---Wander
Yesmar

Oh wow.

"Shaped like the other boot to kick your ass again"

How did no-one else see this yet?
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This is amazing.

The next match immediately afterward had like 25% more votes than usual.

It got about 500 votes above normal in the first update, and then calmed down very very quickly. And a lot of that 500 could have been from people who had voted in Crono/Missingno way earlier in the day and were watching the end anyway.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

And I guess we'll never know for sure (Bacon's word only means that he didn't find any evidence for stuffing, which leaves open the possibility that the stuffers were smart enough to get around his protective measures).
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

From: red sox 777 | #457
And I guess we'll never know for sure (Bacon's word only means that he didn't find any evidence for stuffing, which leaves open the possibility that the stuffers were smart enough to get around his protective measures).

Gamefaqs has some of the best stuffing protection out t here. I'm pretty sure if there was stuffing, he'd catch it.
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So there were 200 small scale rallies for Missingno? I find that hard to believe. People said the same thing about Starcraft doubters, but when the pressure got too high it went and revealed its true colors. People said during Vercetti Vs. Kefka that *Vercetti* was the one making the suspicious moves.

Starcraft didn't cheat until its match against Melee and since you brought up Vercetti/Kefka, how do you know it wasn't Crono that was stuffing?
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Character Battle VIII - 49/60 - Today's Winners: Big Daddy and Ness

Starcraft didn't cheat until its match against Melee and since you brought up Vercetti/Kefka, how do you know it wasn't Crono that was stuffing?

So Kingdom Hearts just failed to get its ASV against Starcraft then? I have no proof that Crono wasn't stuffing, but there's not really much to indicate that he was, at least not more so than Missingno.
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"..."---Wander
Yesmar

Someone was stuffing for Vercetti in the last hour though.
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"..."---Wander
Yesmar

The fact that Crono "had more than double the attempted vote stuffs than Missingno." suggests Crono probably did cheat more than Missingno.
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Every night will have a day. Even forever has to come to an end. 2/14/2010 24:00 EST

The proof that Missingno got more outside votes than Crono can be seen in that Missingno did better in the hours in which the match votals were above trend.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Might as well throw this out there as it seems to be a topic of debate on the board:

Does Missingno keep his strength next year? We've already seen L-Block freefall since his peak 2k7 strength. However, this was Missingno's first match - and one that wasn't really that hyped - and he's already at a strength that takes L-block rounds of rallying to get at.

Personally, I think Missingno is legitimate, but I could see arguments against that.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

No real surprise that Crono was heavily cheated for. Is there a more cheated for character in the contest?
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I Am Albion Hero!

So Kingdom Hearts just failed to get its ASV against Starcraft then? I have no proof that Crono wasn't stuffing, but there's not really much to indicate that he was, at least not more so than Missingno.

What does KH not getting an ASV have to do with cheating? Heck the game barely won it over Soul Calibur. What proof do you have that Missingno was stuffing. Also Crono was erratic at times so I don't see why you should blame one and not the other.
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Character Battle VIII - 49/60 - Today's Winners: Big Daddy and Ness

Missingno should keep this strength next year. Even if he was stuffing (and rallying is believable) he would still have been quite close to Crono normally. If Missingno goes on to win the contest, he'll probably fall below his Link-slaying strength but still end up well above his original strength like L-Block did.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Maybe 10% of Crono's strength actually comes from cheating in every match. He lost to Sonic and started dropping because the cheating restrictions got more strict around that time!
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

Whether or not it's legitimate is all going to come down to the Sephiroth match.

If he loses he's legit, he'll be challenging the Cronos and the Vincents of the contest next year. If he wins the contest he'll fall I think.
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Let's find out.

From: charmander6000 | #431
Farmville could win the entire contest if it wanted to.

The "Rally the vote for Farmville" on Facebook was practically made for this!
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"I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now."

It doesn't mean much that there were more failed stuffing attempts for Crono than Missingno, because that obviously doesn't measure successful stuffing attempts. It only takes one person to stuff a few thousand votes.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

It only takes one person to stuff a few thousand votes.

Each individual vote would count as a stuffing attempt, one would think.
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He means that it takes one person to break the code and stuff thousands of votes.
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Character Battle VIII - 49/60 - Today's Winners: Big Daddy and Ness

Right, but the fact that there were more failed stuffing attempts for Crono than Missingno still doesn't mean anything. It could mean more people unsuccessfuly tried to cheat for Crono, or unsuccessful cheaters for Crono tried to stuff more votes- it tells us nothing about successful stuffers, if they exist. And it only takes 1 person to do it.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Bacon said there were twice as many attempts, not failed attempts.
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That's just splitting hairs, it's pretty obvious from context that it referred to failed attempts
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

Also, Geno to get over 45% at least right
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

Vote Accepted
Ness 33.33%

2
Geno 66.67%

4
TOTAL VOTES 6

Aw yeah
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"I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now."

Vote Accepted
Ness 40%

2
Geno 60%

3
TOTAL VOTES 5
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55/60 in Character Battle 2010 | Current Pick: Big Daddy

why is geno allowed in these contests again
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Maybe not :(
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

Ness getting 60% on someone? I refuse to stand for this! Shape up, Geno!
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Obviously they were foiled attempts if Bacon knew about them. On the other hand, if they were successful, Bacon wouldn't know about them. It depends on how much you trust Gamefaqs' ability to stop stuffing, which is pretty good but not perfect.

The evidence from the data we have is that Missingno got a couple thousand extra votes from somewhere......probably rallying as I've been saying, but we'll never know for sure.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

51.25% for Big Daddy

Aw yeah
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"I can set you free, mate."
"My freedom was forfeit long ago!"

Ness 50% 7
Geno 50% 7
TOTAL VOTES 14

Big Daddy with 51.25%
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Contest score: 50/59 Today's picks: Yoshi & Crono

Man Geno.

How can you be this bad
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

Ness 68% 17
Geno 32% 8
TOTAL VOTES 25
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Ness is probably SFFing Geno.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Geno is bad. Real bad.
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From: red sox 777 | #488
Ness is probably SFFing Geno.

yeah the "sucky character" vote
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Isn't this around expected? lol Ness is the same guy that almost beat Alucard. Did you guys really think Geno had a chance? And i'm A Geno fanboy.
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Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

From: red sox 777 | #488
Ness is probably SFFing Geno.

Don't give people an excuse to bring him back!
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

lol Geno

or is this SNES SFF?
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Character Battle VIII - 49/60 - Today's Winners: Big Daddy and Ness

Man I love Ness and he should never get 60%+ on someone

NESS>BIG DADDY LET'S DO THIS

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Kind of surprised that Big Daddy was the bracket favourite.
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Character Battle VIII - 49/60 - Today's Winners: Big Daddy and Ness

...And it's approaching a doubling. What is this.
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"Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?"
"I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!"

uh oh wait a minute.. yeah nevermind. i said that when geno had 38%
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Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

Charizard > Mario
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

And Ness is doubling Geno.

You suck, Geno. Get Mallow in here.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Red > MMX
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....