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From: voltch | #096
this is a ****** debate tbh, cos a lot of people are just advocating to go from one extreme to the other.

One extreme is a severely limiting company/series/game cap. The other is... no cap? That doesn't seem nearly as extreme to me. It's not like we can take a look at the nomination list and tell Bacon which weak characters to trash.
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Vault Boy did well, so I think an Oblivion character should be a good nom, even if s/he'd be weaker than VB.

Imperial Guard, obviously.
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Blah blah blah wasted space blah blah blah who gives a rats patoot.

Ima nom what I wana nom, no matter how bad they get destroyed.
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

I don't think there's any Oblivion characters that would be anything other than mid level fodder at best.

Sheogorath is my guess on who'd be strongest.
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #097
If you can get 70% on Guybrush, you deserve to make it in over Guybrush regardless of your game, console, company, race, creed, or sexual orientation.

We should get a gay character in. Maybe Gay Tony? GTA fodder, but it'd be interesting to see how GameFAQs reacts to having "Gay Tony" in a contest.

Assuming Bacon's ballsy enough to even allow him, of course.
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Not Wylvane

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Why not have Guybrush in this contest, considering he had new games for the first time in quite a few years? Other years, yeah, understandable, but from a stats perspective he had actual reason to be stronger. Surely he'd be interesting in that regard just to see how introducing his games to a brand new audience and how much PC/downloadable games would boost him.

I have no problems with Guybrush in this year. It's more the 3 years in a row thing. When I made a post about removing some of our fodder a week ago, I kept Guybrush in for that reason.

Why are people calling for company caps? The percent of Final Fantasy characters is smaller than 2005 (although barely), and the percent of FFVII characters is less than the percent of FFX characters in 2005, and I think everyone would agree that that was a great bracket and contest.
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From: Cyclo_Reaper | #102
Vault Boy did well, so I think an Oblivion character should be a good nom, even if s/he'd be weaker than VB.

Imperial Guard, obviously.

Hahaha, that would work. That's the only character I see having any decent strength. Easily the most recognizable character in the game, plus responsible for a few minor fads.
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Not Wylvane

*percentage those should all be.
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Are there any rules against nominating characters from X-Rated/adult games?
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From: Cyclo_Reaper | #106
Ike is already in.

Forgot about Ike. I wonder how many people actually realize that Ike is gay, though.
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Not Wylvane

Ima nom what I wana nom, no matter how bad they get destroyed.

Everyone should nominate who they want to nominate.

It would just be better if Guybrush wasn't nominated highly and someone worthwhile was. But that's not likely to happen, so we're left with whining about Guybrush during a boring Guybrush match.

It's not really something that's going to change - people are just voicing their irritation with the reality, that's all.
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I actually really liked how Gamespot did their contest. 1 character per series was a great way to get a lot of variety in the field.

Except it had a ton of fodder and thus few interesting matches besides B&B and Freeman.
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Character Battle VIII - 46/56 - Today's Winners: Sephiroth and Vincent

B&B, Freeman, and THE DOUK made that contest.

The Freeman obviously made it awesome.
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

Vincent's actually barely outdoing Altair, who got 75.77% on Guybrush.

So 2008 Altair = Vincent, which means AC2-boosted Altair's gonna beat Link!
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Not Wylvane

You know, I think we should have a law banning popular characters from making the field cos popular characters beat up my favourite character, so since I want my guy to win, I think every character stronger than him should be banned.
oh, it'd make things INTERESTING.
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #110
Are there any rules against nominating characters from X-Rated/adult games?

Well Archer was on the vote in..
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Vincent's actually barely outdoing Altair, who got 75.77% on Guybrush.

So 2008 Altair = Vincent, which means AC2-boosted Altair's gonna beat Link!

Yeah, this is another very weak performance by FF7. Probably because Guybrush has boosted quite a bit - but you have to lay some of the blame on Vincent I think.

And if that's because of this increased FF7 anti-vote notion, that's not good news for Sephiroth. He would have enough trouble beating a bandwagoned Snake in a 12 hour match as it is - if Sephiroth is even more hated and thus weaker than before, that's dangerous.

At least Sephiroth had the least unimpressive performance - his was the most acceptable out of the FF7 characters so far.

Sephiroth could be under 46% after the first hour against Snake though. Coming back from a few thousand votes against Snake would not be easy, at all, even in a 24 hour match - if he gets down like 2K+ votes in a 12 hour match, I think that might be game over.

Is Snake/Seph a day match or a night match?
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If you think about it, though, this is actually a good match for Guybrush, considering he's Guybrush. He's getting tripled by Vincent, who's easily in the Top 10 Strongest Characters at this point, and it's a step up from getting tripled by Altair and getting squashed by Bowser.

I'm not going to touch whether he should be back or not, but this is probably Guybrush's most impressive match yet. Of course, the thing about that is, Guybrush's best match is getting tripled by Vincent.

What is The Boss expected to get on Vincent?
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Not Wylvane

Actually if you want variety here's a list of games that haven't had a character representing it. Some don't really have characters while others could have some consideration.

Space Invaders
Pong
The Oregon Trail
Galaga
Dragon Warrior III
Contra
Civilization
SimCity
Tecom Super Bowl
Battletoads
Final Fantasy
Crystalis
River City Ransom
Gunstar Heroes
Doom
Streets of Rage II
Phantasy Star IV
Secret of Mana
Shining Force II
GoldenEye 007
Suikoden
Lufia II
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Grand Theft Auto III
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Persona 4
Left 4 Dead
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Character Battle VIII - 46/56 - Today's Winners: Sephiroth and Vincent

I still don't buy Snake > Sephiroth myself. As I posted in the last topic, Seph has shown to still be damn strong when not stuck behind Cloud. Kirby went from 37.5% on regular Sephiroth to 58% on SFFed Sephiroth. A Link-SFFed Samus beat a Cloud-SFFed Sephiroth. Snake lost to Samus 1v1 yet went on to beat SFFed Sephiroth. Plus L-Block and Kirby haven't kept their bandwagon strength.

I think Samus > Cloud is more likely at this point than Snake > Sephiroth, and I don't see that happening either.
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Not Wylvane

From: charmander6000 | #120
Actually if you want variety here's a list of games that haven't had a character representing it. Some don't really have characters while others could have some consideration.

Space Invaders
Pong
The Oregon Trail
Galaga
Dragon Warrior III
Contra
Civilization
SimCity
Tecom Super Bowl
Battletoads
Final Fantasy
Crystalis
River City Ransom
Gunstar Heroes
Doom
Streets of Rage II
Phantasy Star IV
Secret of Mana
Shining Force II
GoldenEye 007
Suikoden
Lufia II
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Grand Theft Auto III
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Persona 4
Left 4 Dead

Problem is, the games either don't have any viable characters, or are so old that their characters would be downright horrible. Oblivion, Persona 4, and L4D have potential, and maybe Claude from GTA3, but that's pretty much it.

It's really hard to think of any new characters at this point. We're pretty much stuck with new games and the wells of obscure FF characters and various Pokemon.
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Not Wylvane

I don't think we should blame FFVII for their lack of blowouts when everyone has been doing the same.
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Character Battle VIII - 46/56 - Today's Winners: Sephiroth and Vincent

from that list of games, no character really stands out though.
I'd be happy enough with Blastoise, Snow, Zell/Laguna/Seifer for next year, but on the bright side, Altair might within the next 2-3 years, become the new Dante, so at least ubisoft's done alright.
Alan Wake and Sam Fischer might see a little bit of limelight next contest, though they have a good chance of being fodder, but we're clearly not missing on characters with bags of potential to be strong or become stronger, like maybe Max payne coming back.
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Shakes Fist!

How about someone from Final Fantasy?

Fighter? Black Mage? Warrior of Light?
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From: charmander6000 | #125
How about someone from Final Fantasy?

Fighter? Black Mage? Warrior of Light?

Yeah, something we need. MORE final fantasy characters.
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If you think about it, though, this is actually a good match for Guybrush, considering he's Guybrush. He's getting tripled by Vincent, who's easily in the Top 10 Strongest Characters at this point, and it's a step up from getting tripled by Altair and getting squashed by Bowser.

I'm not going to touch whether he should be back or not, but this is probably Guybrush's most impressive match yet. Of course, the thing about that is, Guybrush's best match is getting tripled by Vincent.

Though this could get even uglier by the time all is said and done. And it's funny how Guybrush's most impressive match is getting tripled by Vincent..
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ya know Albion, SHUT IT.
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Yeah, something we need. MORE final fantasy characters.

Are you not wondering how much of an affect 8-bit Theatre has on this site?
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From: charmander6000 | #129
Yeah, something we need. MORE final fantasy characters.

Are you not wondering how much of an affect 8-bit Theatre has on this site?

I think we already saw it with how final fantasy did in the game contests.
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Anyone know if Sephiroth/Snake is day or night?


Plus L-Block and Kirby haven't kept their bandwagon strength.

I hope you're right about Snake not being a threat, but the thing here is that L-Block and Kirby haven't faced someone as polarizing as Sephiroth. Also bandwagon strength is more likely to show up in important matches - HK-47 and Rikku aren't the best opponents to inspire bandwagons. Kirby is more likely to be bandwagoned against Sonic.

I think Samus > Cloud is more likely at this point than Snake > Sephiroth, and I don't see that happening either.

I don't really see how that could be, since Snake is basically equal to Samus, and Sephiroth is notably weaker than Cloud.


Fighter? Black Mage? Warrior of Light?

Fighter would be terrific. Warrior of Light would be weak, perhaps fodder. Black Mage would have strength but we already have Vivi, so he's not necessary. People would get pretty excited for Fighter though - what a fun entrant that would be.
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I think I know who I should rally behind in the NRT.

Time to start the Fighter wagon.
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Character Battle VIII - 46/56 - Today's Winners: Sephiroth and Vincent

Snake/Seph should be a day match.

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This is actually only a little worse than Terra would have done in 2005...and since Terra > Revan that means Guybrush = Revan!
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He'd probably be complete fodder, but I'd definitely vote for Contra's Bill Rizer if he made a bracket.

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From: TheCodeisBosco | #135
He'd probably be complete fodder, but I'd definitely vote for Contra's Bill Rizer if he made a bracket.

hell yes. We just need a manly ass Bill Rizer picture, and we're set.
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From: RPGuy96 | #134
This is actually only a little worse than Terra would have done in 2005...and since Terra > Revan that means Guybrush = Revan!

Just him 'em where it hurts, why don't ya!
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Snake/Seph should be a day match.

That's better for Sephiroth probably. More total votes diminishes the impact of contest regular/board votes, and while both are great overnight Snake I think falls off more during the day than Sephiroth, even though FF7's day vote has weakened a lot. I could be wrong about that though.


He'd probably be complete fodder, but I'd definitely vote for Contra's Bill Rizer if he made a bracket.

Heh - "Contra Dude" might do decent, but "Bill Rizer" would get doubled by Guybrush :)
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Missed the whole Guybrush discussion!

Personally, I have no problem seeing Guybrush in every year, as he's a good character. I will continue to happily vote for him and enjoy seeing him in the contests.

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Heh - "Contra Dude" might do decent, but "Bill Rizer" would get doubled by Guybrush :)

Hey, at least Guybrush would finally win a match!

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Well Snake vs Sephiroth will be close no matter what.Sephiroth is the favorite but beware of the antivotes...
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Hey, at least Guybrush would finally win a match!

I can't imagine a match where Guybrush actually has a chance to win.
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Tecmo Super Bowl

QB Eagles would be vaguely interesting fodder, and is probably the best character in that game who doesn't run into the whole "They're based on a real life character" issue. (OK, he's really Randall Cunningham, but with the name stripped off, but still.)

I can't imagine a match where Guybrush actually has a chance to win.

Guybrush/Axel Steel, maybe?

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From: Fayt_Esteed | Posted: 2/13/2010 2:30:11 PM | #142
Hey, at least Guybrush would finally win a match!

I can't imagine a match where Guybrush actually has a chance to win.

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uhh
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

As somebody mentioned, he's doing better than Kerrigan did in 05. So I would take him over her.

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After further reflection on the Guybrush situation as well as the company caps debate, I offer this hypothetical, never-going-to-be-implemented (yet nonetheless excellent) solution.

The 'interesting matches' crowd doesn't hate Guybrush per se-they hate that he takes up a that someone else could have had. Same thing with the company caps-people don't hate Square, they hate that so many FFVII and FF characters in general take up spots that other, cooler characters could have had (ok, some of us hate Square too, but that's beside the point). The obvious problem with company caps is that if you use the caps, it cuts out deserving characters (most notable Tifa and Vincent) but if you don't cut them, there's no variety, the same characters make it year after year and the contest stagnates. So instead of attacking the characters causing the stagnation, a solution that deals with the stagnation itself would be ideal.

How about this: give a slight nomination bonus to newcomers/returners that have sat out for a while, thereby increasing the chance that fresh faces appear in a contest?

It takes what, 200 nominations to make the field as a low seed? How about giving a 10 nomination bonus to characters to missed last year's contest, a 15 nomination bonus to those who missed the last two years, and a 20 nomination bonus who have been out going three years back or haven't yet made the field. This will give us somewhat of a rotation, as those who made last year fall to boosted returners/newcomers, who then lose their handicap for next year to make room for other returners/newcomers. This way, the borderline characters like Guybrush make it only once every 2 or 3 years, making room for other interesting choices in the intermittent years.

tl;dr version: instead of company caps, give newcomers/potential returners a small handicap in the nominations phase to increase the chances that they make the field. This will allow a variety of characters to get a chance in a contest setting without permanently depriving worthy competitors of a spot.
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Guybrush/Axel Steel, maybe?

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OK, but man... Imagine how inactive the board would be during such a match.
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"Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia

I still don't buy Snake > Sephiroth myself. As I posted in the last topic, Seph has shown to still be damn strong when not stuck behind Cloud. Kirby went from 37.5% on regular Sephiroth to 58% on SFFed Sephiroth. A Link-SFFed Samus beat a Cloud-SFFed Sephiroth. Snake lost to Samus 1v1 yet went on to beat SFFed Sephiroth. Plus L-Block and Kirby haven't kept their bandwagon strength.

I think Samus > Cloud is more likely at this point than Snake > Sephiroth, and I don't see that happening either.

Ah, yes, Kirby's 58% on SFFed Sephiroth. That would be the same poll where Snake got just 50.19% on Sephy-LFFed Cloud. The only problem with this reasoning is that Snake went on to get 51.31% on regular Cloud the following round. Now, Cloud and Snake actually spent three rounds together that year, and when they first got together, Cloud won handily...but that still doesn't explain how Snake does better against Cloud with Link and Crono in the match than he did with Sephiroth and Kirby.

Anyway, on the subject of the "get rid of the fodder/keep them in" debate, I propose we set a fodder line--probably a more generous fodder line than we've used in the past, but nevertheless, a line. Anyone who finishes ahead of that line gets a spot in the next contest, while anyone who finishes behind that line gets removed. Vote-ins will be conducted to bring in replacements for characters that fallen below the line, and after one contest's absence, characters that have been foddered out are allowed into these vote-ins (so if this were to be enacted after this contest, characters that did poorly enough in this one to be booted out would be allowed into the vote-ins for CB10). I guess I kind of based the idea on the "demotion" aspect of club soccer, where the bottom two or three teams each year get sent down a flight, while the top few in the lower flights get to move up one. Only problem is, we don't have multiple flights; we just have one contest. It would be really cool if we did have multiple levels--instead of this 128-character bracket, we'd have a 64-character "Division I" bracket, a 64-character "Division II" bracket, and a 64-character "Division III" bracket, or something like that--but it would also mean we'd have contests running almost all the time. Sure, we'd be happy, but the rest of the site would probably get resentful eventually.
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