GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 829
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:15:42 AM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #048 Because having so many characters from the same game is BORING. We have too many FFVII characters as it is right now. --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 10:15:43 AM | message detail |
I
don't think variety is all that important. I'm not one of those people
who cares to keep running tabs on how many Square or Nintendo
characters make the contest every year. I just don't think about it. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:16:27 AM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #052 As someone who plays more then just Square and Nintendo games, I want to see more then just those characters. --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
ZFS | Posted 2/13/2010 10:16:53 AM | message detail |
I
haven't seen the argument that carried over from the last topic, but I
feel confident saying this is one of the worst arguments ever. --- wheresoever you go, go with all your heart |
LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 10:17:16 AM | message detail |
It's
not snobby to defend yourself against someone like vcharon, who stated
repeatedly that we should not enjoy Guybrush making the tournament if
you're in the stats topic. Man, I'm not saying we're all in the right. vcharon obviously takes things too far. I just think it's kind of stupid that you rail on us for being elitist but you come across with this mentality that you're so open minded and all about variety and crap, so you end up looking pretty elitist yourself. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
creativename | Posted 2/13/2010 10:17:21 AM | message detail |
What makes them any better than Guybrush? Before you prefer CATS to Guybrush? Were you around back then? I have no preference for CATS over Guybrush, but I have a huge preference for CATS matches, for blatantly obvious reasons. Just about anyone would tell you they're a comedic goldmine - although they did get somewhat repetitive after a few years, stale comedy value is better than el-zilcho comedy value. CATS being historically more fun than Guybrush is hardly something that needs explaining. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 10:18:11 AM | message detail |
From: Cyclo_Reaper | #053 Hey look, here's a perfect example of what I was just talking about! But that's just LOL Lumpy, to be honest. I probably shouldn't lump him in with the rest of you guys. That's unfair. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:18:20 AM | message detail |
From: creativename | #056 Yes, I've been around since the 2002 contest. And I never thought they were that good, cuz I didn't care abotu the fad. I prefer Guybrush since I like his games. So it comes down to which you prefer; you prefer CATS, I prefer Guybrush. --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/13/2010 10:20:01 AM | message detail |
From: creativename | #056 I wish all the L-Block haters had that same mentality! --- Not Wylvane |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:20:20 AM | message detail |
People keep missing the point. Guybrush's matches
aren't what people find fun - simply his appearance in the contest is
what people find fun. It puts a smile on my face to see characters like
him in it - especially since it's almost guaranteed to be a sea of
dross when you correlate my personal tastes with the overall tastes of
the site. I rank Guybrush in the top 10 for characters I like to see
making it in, even if he's not one of my top 10 characters overall,
just because of how out there he is. --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
ZFS | Posted 2/13/2010 10:21:13 AM | message detail |
The
contests have enough variety and strength as it is now. You can cut
some of the absolute bottom tier characters every year with new
characters, but there's no need to want to get rid of everyone. Someone
getting 40% on Vincent in round 1 instead of 25% doesn't change the
outcome or make it any better of a match. These contests juggle the
right amount of Nintendo/Square and everything else right now; adding
more Nintendo/Square would just make things more boring, not more
interesting. Well...unless you're someone like red sox but he shouldn't
ever count. --- wheresoever you go, go with all your heart |
creativename | Posted 2/13/2010 10:21:14 AM | message detail |
This
site has been mainly about Square vs. Nintendo since before 2K2, and
though that's gone down a bit, those two still dominate this site. As
red sox said, those are the most entertaining matches. Having a
plethora of them is hardly a bad thing. I haven't seen the argument that carried over from the last topic, but I feel confident saying this is one of the worst arguments ever. Yeah, it's pretty terrible. But that's the whole thing - this is a Guybrush Threepwood match, we have nothing else to talk about!! The match being boring as hell is what is leading to this argument in the first place since nothing else holds our attention. Missingo discussion please save us :) --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:21:27 AM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #057 That was a bit snobby to be fair. --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:21:43 AM | message detail |
This
contest seriously needs more variety, not less. We already have enough
Nintendo and Square characters. If it was up to me, I'd put like a 10
character cap per company. --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
red sox 777 | Posted 2/13/2010 10:21:58 AM | message detail |
Because having so many characters from the same game is BORING. We have too many FFVII characters as it is right now. All of the FFVII characters so far have had pretty entertaining matches, except perhaps for Vincent, and the reason for that is because he's being saddled with Guybrush as an opponent. Anyway, this argument is pretty ridiculous. Anyone can nominate whoever they want regardless of what makes contests more interesting. Guybrush clearly has a base of nominators who want to see him in the contest every year, and it's quite fair under the current nomination system. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:23:33 AM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #065 None of the FFVII characters this year have had entertaining matches outside of maybe Zack. Blowouts =/= entertaining, right? I mean, thats why people say Guybrush shouldn't be here. --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:24:25 AM | message detail |
This
site has been mainly about Square vs. Nintendo since before 2K2, and
though that's gone down a bit, those two still dominate this site. As
red sox said, those are the most entertaining matches. Having a
plethora of them is hardly a bad thing. It kind of is. Too many ruins the magic. Yeah, it's pretty terrible. But that's the whole thing - this is a Guybrush Threepwood match, we have nothing else to talk about!! The match being boring as hell is what is leading to this argument in the first place since nothing else holds our attention. That's some of the most manipulative bile I have ever seen. Really lost a lot of respect for you with that comment; you can't use the fact that people are defending their favourite as proof that you are correct. --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/13/2010 10:24:27 AM | message detail |
Guybrush
clearly has a base of nominators who want to see him in the contest
every year, and it's quite fair under the current nomination system. I don't really mind that. What really has me fired up is that he has a 9 seed - a 9 seed he didn't deserve. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
charmander6000 | Posted 2/13/2010 10:25:07 AM | message detail |
This
contest seriously needs more variety, not less. We already have enough
Nintendo and Square characters. If it was up to me, I'd put like a 10
character cap per company. Why hello there 2004. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 46/56 - Today's Winners: Sephiroth and Vincent |
red sox 777 | Posted 2/13/2010 10:25:24 AM | message detail |
All
of them have generated lots of discussion, and all of them have
entertained me. While you may have found them boring, I think the
volume of discussion generated shows that's not true for most people. And really, this is simple. More people will enjoy the matches of more popular characters! That's why they're more popular! --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
creativename | Posted 2/13/2010 10:26:17 AM | message detail |
So it comes down to which you prefer; you prefer CATS, I prefer Guybrush. As I already said...I have no preference for either. I couldn't care less for either of these guy outside of contest context. Guybrush's matches aren't what people find fun - simply his appearance in the contest is what people find fun. It puts a smile on my face to see characters like him in it This is exactly what I mentioned earlier. What is it about Guybrush that his fans should get that smile though, and not the fans of the character whose spot he's taking? Since that character would undoubtedly be stronger than Guybrush, there would be more people smiling. But that's just LOL Lumpy, to be honest. I probably shouldn't lump him in with the rest of you guys. That's unfair. Didn't even realize that was Albion. Where's he called "Lumpy" from...? --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
ToadYoshi | Posted 2/13/2010 10:26:19 AM | message detail |
As
Creativename and Leon put very well in the last topic, basically we
have two groups of people: those who want to see Guybrush and those who
want to see col characters and close matches. So who's right? Well, they both are. Guybrush fans are completely justified in wanting Guybrush in the contests, while Stats guys are completely justified in wanting strong characters who provide interesting (and imo fun) matches. Everyone gets 15 nominations, and each individual can do as he or she pleases. This means a few things. First, if you want to nominate Guybrush, go ahead. Second, if you want to see some cool, potentially strong characters in these contests it's up to the board to organize and rally them in. The Nomination Rally Tournament does a great job of doing this, but there could be even more organization so that the nominations are concentrated in a few characters instead of spread among many. As a fan of both Guybrush and close exciting matches, I'm slightly torn. I probably won't nominate him this year, because he's had his fun, Money Island won a match in the games contest, and we all know how he'll do anyway. Of course, if I win Guru, I could cause even more chaos by making him my guru pick! --- Guru contest: 53/56 (T1) Misses: Boss, Altair, Kefka. Next close pick: Bid Daddy > Soap |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:26:20 AM | message detail |
From: Fayt_Esteed | #068 You deserve whatever seed you get the nominations for. He got more nominations then Tifa or Zelda, why should he not have a better seed? --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/13/2010 10:26:31 AM | message detail |
Guybrush
is going to get in with or without board support; guy's a 9 seed, and
I'm guessing European noms alone will get him in as long as the bracket
has 128 spots. He'll never have an objectively fun match ("objectively"
in this case meaning you can enjoy the match without caring about
either entrant), but he'll always get in, and so will lots of other
very weak characters. This board can't do anything to stop that, but I
just wish we'd use ourselves more as an instrument to get (potentially)
OBJECTIVELY fun/strong characters into this thing. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/13/2010 10:26:34 AM | message detail |
Before
I finally go off to play ME2, I might as well bring this point up
again, since I did so twice and didn't notice anyone disputing it. Why not have Guybrush in this contest, considering he had new games for the first time in quite a few years? Other years, yeah, understandable, but from a stats perspective he had actual reason to be stronger. Surely he'd be interesting in that regard just to see how introducing his games to a brand new audience and how much PC/downloadable games would boost him. Even though they apparently didn't boost him any, unless you want to take his performance on Vincent at face value, where he's certainly doing as well as ever against his strongest opponent yet. That could be blamed on the lack of blowouts, of course, but Guybrush is certainly doing better against Vincent than he did against Bowser. So maybe Guybrush did boost after all! It's just that his boost wasn't big enough to even make him a Nathan Drake. --- Not Wylvane |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:26:38 AM | message detail |
From: Cyclo_Reaper | #064 Maybe 15. Anyway, because I've become completely out of touch with B8's accounts as a whole, is Cyclo_Reaper actually Albion? And if so has he always been Albion or are they on some account sharing-dealie? >_> --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:28:35 AM | message detail |
From: XIII_rocks | #076 He gave me his account like 6 months ago, and I use it when my others are in purg/warned --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
ZFS | Posted 2/13/2010 10:29:20 AM | message detail |
And really, this is simple. More people will enjoy the matches of more popular characters! That's why they're more popular! Not everyone gets excited at the thought of Link breaking 80% in a match ! --- wheresoever you go, go with all your heart |
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/13/2010 10:29:40 AM | message detail |
You
deserve whatever seed you get the nominations for. He got more
nominations then Tifa or Zelda, why should he not have a better seed? ...So you're saying that if Guybrush got a 1 seed, he'd deserve it? That's a massive load of bull right there. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:29:49 AM | message detail |
oh --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/13/2010 10:29:51 AM | message detail |
From: ToadYoshi | #072 Now this is a great post. From: PartOfYourWorld | #074 This is great as well. That's why I'm trying to find good candidates to bring in next contest. Trying to jump start the search for new, potentially exciting characters. --- Not Wylvane |
red sox 777 | Posted 2/13/2010 10:30:01 AM | message detail |
No
company caps please, and as few SFF matches as possible. Albion will
probably respond by extolling the virtues of the 2004 contest and
claiming it was the best 1v1 contest. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:30:53 AM | message detail |
From: Fayt_Esteed | #079 That's how the seeding system works, no? An undeserved 1 seed would be Allen liking Guybrush and giving him the 1 seed instead of the 9 he deserved. You deserve the 1 seed if the nominations say so. --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:31:00 AM | message detail |
From: Fayt_Esteed | #079 If he got 1500 or so nominations, why not? --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
red sox 777 | Posted 2/13/2010 10:31:10 AM | message detail |
Not everyone gets excited at the thought of Link breaking 80% in a match ! Not everyone, just the 80% that voted for him! --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:32:20 AM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #082 It wasn't the best 1v1, but the lack of square and nintendo in every single match was refreshing. --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:32:56 AM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #082 Isn't capping characters more likely to prevent SFF matches? I mean there was plenty of SFF in 04 but that's because it was a very badly constructed bracket on the whole, they're not linked surely? --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
voltch | Posted 2/13/2010 10:33:33 AM | message detail |
Capcom
does not exist in this topic and their characters have never been
involved in exciting matches and the same goes for Solid Snake. --- Shakes Fist! |
red sox 777 | Posted 2/13/2010 10:33:52 AM | message detail |
Isn't
capping characters more likely to prevent SFF matches? I mean there was
plenty of SFF in 04 but that's because it was a very badly constructed
bracket on the whole, they're not linked surely? They're not linked, but they're both bad bad ideas. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:34:11 AM | message detail |
I
actually really liked how Gamespot did their contest. 1 character per
series was a great way to get a lot of variety in the field. --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:34:55 AM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #089 I think the cap could work if done right. --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:35:27 AM | message detail |
From: Cyclo_Reaper | #090 That's the opposite extreme and something I really wouldn't want to see. --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
creativename | Posted 2/13/2010 10:35:59 AM | message detail |
Why not have Guybrush in this contest, considering he had new games for the first time in quite a few years? Yes, having Guybrush this year makes more sense than in other years. Too bad I didn't know about this new release when I made my Oracle pick >_> Blah. ...So you're saying that if Guybrush got a 1 seed, he'd deserve it? That's a massive load of bull right there. Well if he did get enough noms for a 1 seed, something weird must be going on. He must have legit boosted in strength for that to happen. Not enough to justify a 1 seed in terms of strength of course, but moreso than now. To me seedings should be based on a mix of noms and strength - I think maybe ideally, new characters would be based on noms, whereas seeding of returning characters would more reflect historical performance, with a small influence from noms. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
red sox 777 | Posted 2/13/2010 10:37:34 AM | message detail |
It'd
have to be a high enough cap that we don't get rid of any deserving
characters by using it, which is effectively the same as not having a
cap under the current nominations system, since the current nominations
system already adds more diversity than a system purely based on
strength would give us. What would happen with a lower company cap? The
first characters to go will be people like Vincent and Tifa. We'd have
Guybrush/Serious Sam or something today instead of Vincent. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:38:36 AM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #094 I see no problem with those kind of characters being left out when we already have the main character and main villain. 2-3 characters from one game is more than enough. --- http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_lp2_x10_005.jpg I Am Albion Hero! |
voltch | Posted 2/13/2010 10:39:40 AM | message detail |
this is a ****** debate tbh, cos a lot of people are just advocating to go from one extreme to the other. --- Shakes Fist! |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/13/2010 10:40:17 AM | message detail |
If
you can get 70% on Guybrush, you deserve to make it in over Guybrush
regardless of your game, console, company, race, creed, or sexual
orientation. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/13/2010 10:40:51 AM | message detail |
From: voltch | #088 Not just Solid Snake, thanks to Liquid, Ocelot, and The Boss all having great matches, and not even just MGS in general thanks to Alucard and the Castlevania series. Konami's pretty solid on a whole. Bethesda and Valve are also good up-and-comers. Speaking of which... What's a good Oblivion character to get into the contest? That game's way too open to find a concrete character everyone would recognize. I think our best bet would be someone from the Dark Brotherhood quest line, and even then I doubt anyone would recognize the name or appearance too well without having played the game recently. Maybe the King in the beginning? He dies early on, but he should be easily recognizable to any Oblivion player, especially those who've played many characters and know that damn tutorial dungeon by heart. Vault Boy did well, so I think an Oblivion character should be a good nom, even if s/he'd be weaker than VB. --- Not Wylvane |
voltch | Posted 2/13/2010 10:41:14 AM | message detail |
and if guybrush can get 70% on you, we never want to see you in a contest again. --- Shakes Fist! |
XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:41:57 AM | message detail |
Stop being ridiculous, Albion, you're ruining the credibility of our argument. You can't seriously be arguing that you would like to see this contest deliberately squeezed of its strongest competitors? I'm all for seeing niche favourites get in, of course I am, but never at the expense of someone with obvious and great strength. I mean Guybrush's replacement would be someone just as rubbish, even if they'd never made the contest before. But actively wanting those two out is a bit poor. --- "Go and read some more Wikipedia I'm sure they have a good article on spases." - Lil69Leo |
