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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 828

XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 9:47:58 AM | message detail

From: vcharon | #434
What part about this being the Stats topic do people not get? You're in the Stats topic. Tell me how Guybrush is fun stat wise. To see just how pathetic he is each year? To see if he can possibly do even worse?


This is also a contest "discussion" topic. As in we discuss aspects of the contest.

People from all sorts of bases are going to contribute to discussion here, not just the statheads. Which is where discussion such as this one comes from. You have the view of people who like seeing their favourite characters in the contest, such as Cyclo and I, and you have the view of statheads like yourself who forego other people's "favourites" in lieu of having a contest that would (only in theory) be better overall.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 9:48:13 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #449
Meh, every contest needs fodder. I'm not arguing against Guybrush being in this contest, really. If you want to nominate him, knock yourself out. He'll never provide an entertaining match though, so I just don't understand why you guys say it's fun having him in here. That's what confuses me.


Monkey Island had an entertaining match in the game contest if that counts.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 2/13/2010 9:48:26 AM | message detail
I don't think anyone wants them in either.

If Guybrush and characters of similar strength get to stay, I want my ToS characters in as well.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 9:48:57 AM | message detail
Oh, I guess we can count Secret of Monkey Island's Games Contest win for Guybrush since I counted ToS's for Tales.

So 2-1 Tales against Monkey Island.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/13/2010 9:49:06 AM | message detail
Except Guybrush does technically have a win from the games contest.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 9:49:38 AM | message detail
Not "in lieu", don't know why I wrote that. Should be "forego other people's "favourites" in an attempt to have a contest..." etc.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 9:49:47 AM | message detail

From: Cyclo_Reaper | #452
Monkey Island had an entertaining match in the game contest if that counts.


Well, yeah, if you put Guybrush in a match with Mr. Driller, Tanner, and Serious Sam, it might be close.

I don't think anyone wants to see that though, and we probably never will.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/13/2010 9:50:21 AM | message detail
I'm not sure why people are so opposed to others nominating Guybrush, and certainly, the stats have no opinion on it whatsoever.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 9:50:27 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #457
Well, yeah, if you put Guybrush in a match with Mr. Driller, Tanner, and Serious Sam, it might be close.

I don't think anyone wants to see that though, and we probably never will.


I don't know about you, but I would like to see a match like that, just for the lulz.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 2/13/2010 9:50:35 AM | message detail
From: LeonhartFour | #457
Well, yeah, if you put Guybrush in a match with Mr. Driller, Tanner, and Serious Sam, it might be close.

I don't think anyone wants to see that though, and we probably never will.


I ****ing loved the Monkey Island R1 match.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/13/2010 9:50:57 AM | message detail
Don't SoMI and ToS technically have two wins since they beat out two other games?

Hell, if ToS didn't get last in R2 (don't remember if it did or not), it'd have three wins technically.
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LOLContests | Posted 2/13/2010 9:51:25 AM | message detail
What the hell Vincent? What the **** are you doing right now?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 9:51:45 AM | message detail
I'm sure you did. I personally didn't care to see it. Doesn't mean I'm on a high horse though. If you want me to respect your opinions, then respect mine.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 9:51:47 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #449
Meh, every contest needs fodder. I'm not arguing against Guybrush being in this contest, really. If you want to nominate him, knock yourself out. He'll never provide an entertaining match though, so I just don't understand why you guys say it's fun having him in here. That's what confuses me.


It's fun for the fans of the series to see him in the contest, because they know his lack of exposure makes it an uphill struggle every year.
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vcharon | Posted 2/13/2010 9:51:58 AM | message detail
If Guybrush was low seeded fodder it would be totally different. Here he is wasting a 9 seed though, and Vincent being the 8 seed has no bearing on that whatsoever. Strong characters like Sub-Zero have to fight their way to even make the field while Guybrush takes up space.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 9:52:06 AM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #462
What the hell Vincent? What the **** are you doing right now?


Guybrush is starting to throw insults his way.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/13/2010 9:52:32 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #457
Well, yeah, if you put Guybrush in a match with Mr. Driller, Tanner, and Serious Sam, it might be close.

I don't think anyone wants to see that though


You wouldn't want to see that? That be the funniest thing ever.

My vote on Serious Sam ^_^
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/13/2010 9:53:35 AM | message detail
In all fairness, if this keeps up, Guybrush will not look that bad when all is said and done, but why is he randomly gaining so fast in America?

I remember him being over 80% in the US and he has fallen about 1% there. He was over 81% in Canada and has fallen about 2.5% there.
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voltch | Posted 2/13/2010 9:53:39 AM | message detail
no one can ever be happy, if we get the niche fodder in, whining cos popular character are beating on them like it's child abuse.
Get a field full of popular characters, more whining cos they are all from the same club, it's a no win loss-loss situation, except if you are a demon who likes tears.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 9:53:40 AM | message detail
No, fodder vs. fodder vs. fodder vs. fodder matches don't particularly interest me. Even if Vyse was in a match like that, I wouldn't care to see it.

And the people arguing for Guybrush and characters like him in these contests aren't being any less "high and mighty" about it than those who don't care to see him in them either.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 9:53:41 AM | message detail
And its still a moral victory for Monkey Island fans. We've gotten Guybrush into the contest so much that he's a known name on gamefaqs by now. Thats really all we can ask for, since exposure likely would have gotten more people to try out his games.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 2/13/2010 9:54:12 AM | message detail
So stop using phrases like "no-one wants to see it".

The fact is that 10% of people voted MI OVER SMB3.

Those 10% loved that match. People will always want to see their fodder win a match. I loved watching Ratchet hit 70 because I like the character. That's what the contests are really about. Rooting for your favourite characters. You can't do that if they're not there.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/13/2010 9:54:23 AM | message detail
Man, if I win the Guru, I'm definitely picking Guybrush as my nomination. Enough of the anti-Guybrush stats and discussion!
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 9:54:30 AM | message detail

From: vcharon | #465
If Guybrush was low seeded fodder it would be totally different. Here he is wasting a 9 seed though, and Vincent being the 8 seed has no bearing on that whatsoever. Strong characters like Sub-Zero have to fight their way to even make the field while Guybrush takes up space.


Then there's a flaw in the nomination system then, isn't there?

Brings us back to the one indisputable truth of the matter: you can't blame people for nominating their favourites in this popularity contest.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/13/2010 9:55:01 AM | message detail

From: voltch | #469
except if you are a demon who likes tears.


No wonder Ngirl loves this topic
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 9:55:03 AM | message detail
Thats really all we can ask for, since exposure likely would have gotten more people to try out his games.

Maybe if Guybrush won matches or something. I know MGS's contest success got me to try out MGS. Can't say I've ever had the urge to play a Monkey Island game from seeing Guybrush perform badly every year.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 2/13/2010 9:55:31 AM | message detail
From: TheKoolAidShoto | #475
No wonder Ngirl loves this topic

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red sox 777 | Posted 2/13/2010 9:55:58 AM | message detail
Brings us back to the one indisputable truth of the matter: you can't blame people for nominating their favourites in this popularity contest.

It's only one step away from saying you must vote for Link always to uphold the dictates of the x-stats.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 9:56:13 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #476
Thats really all we can ask for, since exposure likely would have gotten more people to try out his games.

Maybe if Guybrush won matches or something. I know MGS's contest success got me to try out MGS. Can't say I've ever had the urge to play a Monkey Island game from seeing Guybrush perform badly every year.


Well, I never played Monkey Island till 2007, and thats from exposure to these contests. Now I love the series.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 9:56:23 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #476
Thats really all we can ask for, since exposure likely would have gotten more people to try out his games.

Maybe if Guybrush won matches or something. I know MGS's contest success got me to try out MGS. Can't say I've ever had the urge to play a Monkey Island game from seeing Guybrush perform badly every year.


That's just you, though; we know there is at least one person in this topic who played Monkey Island because of Guybrush's appearance here.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/13/2010 9:56:25 AM | message detail
Hell, Guybrush had a remake and new games for the first time in ~10 years in 2009. Yeah, nothing huge like Uncharted 2 or ME2, but at the very least they could've gotten him a noticeable boost. They obviously didn't, of course, but it's worth having him this contest just to see if they had any effect. They certainly could have affected his seeding, at the very least!

Also, you never know when characters will impress. Yeah, not exactly fodder level here, but did anyone expect the performances we got out of Cecil and Kefka, neither of which really had any right to come back after 2008? They had Dissidia, but Guybrush had new games too, games that would be today's gamers' first exposure to the Monkey Island series and Guybrush himself. At the very least, it was worth having him in this contest to see if they gave him a noticeable boost.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 9:56:27 AM | message detail
Man, I love Ratchet as much as the next guy, but Ratchet/Eddie Riggs didn't need to happen. Glad he's got a contest win on his resume now, but meh. That's not what I personally like.
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voltch | Posted 2/13/2010 9:56:51 AM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/13/2010 9:57:37 AM | message detail

From: XIII_rocks | #480
That's just you, though; we know there is at least one person in this topic who played Monkey Island because of Guybrush's appearance here.


I'm not saying nobody's played them due to seeing him in a contest. I'm saying he'd probably get more exposure if he'd done well in contests. I wouldn't expect any major new exposure for him just because he's been in a contest.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 9:58:20 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #478
Brings us back to the one indisputable truth of the matter: you can't blame people for nominating their favourites in this popularity contest.

It's only one step away from saying you must vote for Link always to uphold the dictates of the x-stats.


I don't know if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me here >_>
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 9:58:52 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #484
I'm not saying nobody's played them due to seeing him in a contest. I'm saying he'd probably get more exposure if he'd done well in contests. I wouldn't expect any major new exposure for him just because he's been in a contest.


True - just saying it can happen (and has happened).
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/13/2010 9:59:38 AM | message detail
Man, I love Ratchet as much as the next guy, but Ratchet/Eddie Riggs didn't need to happen. Glad he's got a contest win on his resume now, but meh. That's not what I personally like.

I can say the same; I like Ratchet and his games, but did we really neeed to see Ratchet/Eddie Riggs? At least he has a win on his resume now...
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 9:59:41 AM | message detail
we seriously need a guybrush vs. ryu h match

pirates vs ninjas go go go
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/13/2010 9:59:51 AM | message detail
I too loved Mario 3 throwing out three pieces of trash.
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voltch | Posted 2/13/2010 10:00:03 AM | message detail
this has me wondering, do you think people ever end up purchasing games from characters they've seen in the contest based on how they did?
Like say wander or Ammy, just by seeing them in and seeing say the design of the character, do people then wonder which game they come from and they after digging up more info they buy the game and become intergrated with the fanbase?
If so then man these contests are powerful advertising tools.
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creativename | Posted 2/13/2010 10:00:10 AM | message detail
Saying Guybrush is a contest staple is a massive load of total bull.

As we've gone over before, the problem with turbofodder like Guybrush is that he's not fun. He doesn't provide any excitement, or reason to have interesting discussion. This discussion of "pro Guybrush vs. anti Guybrush" is by far the most interesting conversation he's ever provoked!!

Newer characters would be by far more fun for the voting populace at large, and that's what these contests are about - fun.

Frankly, even Tanner would be vastly more fun, just because of his infamy.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/13/2010 10:00:32 AM | message detail
Hell, some people never even hear of games until these contests.

I never knew anything about MGS until this contest! Turns out I don't like the series, but the contest made me aware of its existence!
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 2/13/2010 10:01:11 AM | message detail

From: creativename | #491
Saying Guybrush is a contest staple is a massive load of total bull.

As we've gone over before, the problem with turbofodder like Guybrush is that he's not fun. He doesn't provide any excitement, or reason to have interesting discussion. This discussion of "pro Guybrush vs. anti Guybrush" is by far the most interesting conversation he's ever provoked!!

Newer characters would be by far more fun for the voting populace at large, and that's what these contests are about - fun.

Frankly, even Tanner would be vastly more fun, just because of his infamy.


this people, is a perfect example of contest stats topic elitism
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/13/2010 10:01:11 AM | message detail
I don't know if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me here >_>

Agreeing with you.

And Leon is right that contest exposure will probably only increase your strength if you actually do well. Someone who had never played Chrono Trigger and saw Crono going toe to toe with Mario late in the contest would wonder, "who is this Crono and how on earth is he beating Mario?" Someone who sees Vincent beating Guybrush here will not find any reason to play Monkey Island because of it.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/13/2010 10:01:28 AM | message detail

From: Not_Wylvane | #492

I never knew anything about MGS until this contest! Turns out I don't like the series, but the contest made me aware of its existence!


Thats how I felt about Monkey Island!
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:01:33 AM | message detail
I think that can happen.

Certainly these contests introduced me to a ****load of characters I had never heard of, and indirectly led to me trying for instance EarthBound, Smash Bros and...something else which escapes me.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/13/2010 10:02:08 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #489
I too loved Mario 3 throwing out three pieces of trash.


That was a weird match. As much as I enjoyed SoMI, I was rooting for SimCity to get second. Of course, I was mainly rooting for SMB3 to crush its competition and get blowout of the round, which it did convincingly.

Oh well.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 2/13/2010 10:02:14 AM | message detail
BUT WHATEVER
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/13/2010 10:02:40 AM | message detail
Thing is, you don't get exposure from being in contests unless you do well. You know how many Board 8ers played Chrono Trigger because of Crono's antics in 2002/2003? I highly doubt CT beats LTTP if that 2004 games bracket was our first contest.
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