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and that Knuckles (and, in effect, Shadow and Sonic) look even more pathetic than before.

I don't think Cecil and Terra's strengths are really all that related. Cecil has had various reasons to be underrated for years, which people knew about before the Knuckles match, on top of reasons to boost. Terra has had no reason to be underrated. They're also from different games, and FF4 characters have done well in the past, not just this year (e.g. Kefka).
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As for the argument of old fodder vs. new fodder, how about no fodder? Yes, there's always the possibility new entrants tank, but why rally behind oldies we know are weak (unless there's a good reason, like a new game)? I know these old weak characters have fans, but forcing them into the contests and into more predictable buttkickings doesn't make things funner for the majority of us, and it won't compel any (or hardly any) of us to try their games. Just let them be. Hell, they probably have enough fans outside the board to make the contest anyway; we ALWAYS get more fodder than we wanted. The board should stick to nominating characters who would make for great matches. And CATS, but he's the lone exception.

^ This man gets it. Fodder does not make for fun, exciting, interesting, or discussion-worthy matches. People might get excited to see their beloved niche character get in (we all would), but that's not what makes for the most enjoyable matches. The less fodder the better - and old proven fodder should be ditched real quick.

I agree on CATS sort of being a "sponsor's exemption" type of deal, because he's the only fodder character with real tradition, and his matches are actually fun. The only fodder character for which that is the case.
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Fodder is annoying because it results in predictable, lame and boring matches where Elite Character X takes the fodder out behind the barn and...well...

Though the odd Snake/Tanner blow-out is still a delight.
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From: creativename | #452
As for the argument of old fodder vs. new fodder, how about no fodder? Yes, there's always the possibility new entrants tank, but why rally behind oldies we know are weak (unless there's a good reason, like a new game)? I know these old weak characters have fans, but forcing them into the contests and into more predictable buttkickings doesn't make things funner for the majority of us, and it won't compel any (or hardly any) of us to try their games. Just let them be. Hell, they probably have enough fans outside the board to make the contest anyway; we ALWAYS get more fodder than we wanted. The board should stick to nominating characters who would make for great matches. And CATS, but he's the lone exception.

^ This man gets it. Fodder does not make for fun, exciting, interesting, or discussion-worthy matches. People might get excited to see their beloved niche character get in (we all would), but that's not what makes for the most enjoyable matches. The less fodder the better - and old proven fodder should be ditched real quick.

I agree on CATS sort of being a "sponsor's exemption" type of deal, because he's the only fodder character with real tradition, and his matches are actually fun. The only fodder character for which that is the case.

Agree with all of this except CATS. His matches were no more fun than any other fodder's matches.
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We're sort of getting the worst of both worlds this contest with a ton of fodder and no blowouts.
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Cloud/CATS and Master Chief/CATS were fun. Ansem/CATS sounded fun too except I wasn't really following the Villains Contest closely due to the, um, overabundance of fodder and extreme dearth of characters with strength in that contest.
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We're sort of getting the worst of both worlds this contest with a ton of fodder and no blowouts.

Wow, my thoughts exactly. 75-25 matches are just not that exciting and I can't wait until Round 2 when things pick up.
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We're sort of getting the worst of both worlds this contest with a ton of fodder and no blowouts.

Indeed, very true. This contest started off *great* but has tailed off a bit.

The two matches a day thing makes that more bearable though.

Too bad we didn't get to see Link vs. Ellis. That would've been pretty funny.
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Gear Division: Round 1 - Match 55 – (7) Darth Revan vs. (10) Terra Branford

Moltar’s Analysis

Revan
Congrats Yo.

Terra
Congrats…no one.

Terra sucks, hard. The word “Darth” alone should be able to beat her, and Revan will have to be pretty weak to lose to her. I think the average KotOR player will vote for him though (and he gets the Star Wars vote watch out Link).

KotOR isn’t that strong though, and certainly not FF6 strong, but I don’t need to tell you how weak FF6 characters are (well we’ll have to take a second look at Kefka thanks to…whatever he did against Arthas, but I’m pretty sure than was Arthas sucking in 1v1). Terra’s been blown out by Dante and Zelda, and her only win was a small victory over Kerrigan, who got killed by Vincent. Like I said, she’s weak stuff, and Revan can probably win this on name alone.

For some reason though…I feel uneasy.

Moltar’s Bracket: Revan > Terra

Moltar’s Prediction: Revan: 54% - Terra: 46%



Lopen’s Analysis

Dude has a lightsaber, man. His name is DARTH Revan. That's all you need to know-- that's all he'll need to beat Terra.

Least, that's what I was gonna say before old school Dissidia characters started impressing left and right. You could potentially blame their opponents, but I'm not sure I completely buy that one. I'm still favoring Revan here because Terra should get ANTI votes from Dissidia if anything, and Terra's a good notch below Kefka and perhaps even Cecil contest strengthwise.

Plus Dissidia failing on new Square does make you doubt whether it's a universal problem solver.

Lopen's Predicton:
DARTH Revan with 51.99%



Transience’s Analysis

There's a bit of hype around this match - Revan is OMG DARTH DUDE WITH LIGHTSABER and Terra is OMG KEFKA WON DISSIDIA BOOST. I think both of these are overblown.

I don't think people will vote for Darth Revan just because of a picture or a name. Maybe if they don't know either, but Terra is fairly well-known and we aren't dealing with Amano art here. She has actual green hair now! That said, KOTOR has shown that it is a decent contest force, what with getting two characters in and Bioware being hot thanks to ME2. Darth Revan can have strength, it just wouldn't be for the Darth Factor.

I'm going against my bracket and backing Terra though. Terra is just more well-known on this website. If there's one group that's performed above expectations this year, it's been Old Square. Cecil almost beat Knuckles. Kefka slammed Arthas. Some people screamed DISSIDIA BOOST but I think there's more to it than that - though if that is what's happening, Terra's in Dissidia too. I just think people are backing Old Square a bit more these days for whatever reason.

Darth Revan is like... we nominated and backed him because his name is Darth. He can't realistically be stronger than HK, who is probably on about Terra's level. Darth's main thing going for him is if people are neutral and back the guy with the lightsaber. I don't like betting on that.

transience's prediction: Terra with 56.01%



Ngamer’s Analysis

Fantastical writeup coming soon!

Ngamer Says: Terra > Not Darth Vader, 50.01%

Kleenex’s Analysis

More like Terra BLANDFORD.

LOL!

So, we all know Terra sucks. She was able to beat Kerrigan, big deal. The real thing to being in question here is Kefka's performance. Was it DISSIDIA BOOST working its magic? If you're inclined to believe that, Terra could win here. I think it was more Arthas sucking. Revan's got the look and the LIGHTSABER, so he should take this one down. I wouldn't be blown away if Terra won, but I think Revan should be the favorite. KOTOR always manages to impress somehow.


Bracket: Revan
Favorites: Revan
Prediction: Revan with 55.34%



Red Sox’s Analysis

Sorry, pressed for time tonight, so this will be shorter than it should be. Terra has always been very weak, and this match looked pretty obvious before the contest, but then Kefka amazed us by crushing Arthas with 60%. One of the theories for what happened was a large Dissidia boost- but I don’t buy it. A Dissidia boost I can buy, yes, but not one large enough to turn an easy Arthas victory into a 60-40 for Kefka. Most of it was probably from Arthas being heavily overrated thanks to 4-ways, where it did not matter that half the site hates World of Warcraft.

Meanwhile, Darth Revan (with a red lightsaber!) should be stronger than HK-47, who should beat Terra. Let’s go with…..

Prediction: Darth Revan with 59.80%
Upset Potential: 20%
Upper Bound: Revan with 68%
Lower Bound: Terra with 52%



Guest’s Analysis - Luis_Sera89

I don’t know why I’ve had my eye on this match since the bracket was released, and especially so at this point of the contest. I’ve backed Terra since Day 1, but getting this match right isn’t going to undo the handful of matches I’ve gotten wrong up until now. It’s also only worth one point with Squall looming, so there isn’t even the Tidus/Subby factor to point to. I don’t even have anything against Revan; he’s a pretty cool character. So I guess it’s all just down to Mercs pride, and supporting one of the lynchpins of my team (inside reference). Not that that was a deciding factor in picking her in my bracket of course!

It’s not down to Terra’s strength that I picked her; she doesn’t have the most esteemed contest history. One workmanlike win over Kerrigan of all people in the Female bracket, as well as two reamings to Zelda and Dante. It’s more that, unlike the majority of people, I have no confidence in Revan being worth much of anything in a contest setting. HK-47 is the KotOR character that’s been getting in all these years, he’s the fan favourite. Revan is the main character sure, but I can’t see him being stronger than HK, and he’s around the fodder line. He lost pretty easily to L-block this year; something I don’t think is going to have quite the same strength 1-on-1. So it doesn’t bode well for Revan.

I did put a little stock in Dissidia boosting Terra slightly too. It’s some much needed new exposure, and did something to push her away from the ensemble cast identity. I didn’t think it would help massively or anything, but it couldn’t hurt. Then Cecil and Kefka showed up. The likes of Cloud and Tidus didn’t seem to improve, but Dissidia really seems to have been something of a lifeblood for old Square characters so far, and I don’t see any reason for it to be different for Terra. Sonic Team may have dropped the ball recently, but not so much for Cecil to suddenly look like a contender against Knuckles on his own accord. Not long afterwards, Kefka flat out wowed everyone against Arthas. We know where Terra was, and Dissidia isn’t going to have to make that much of an impression to beat Revan, in my opinion. Even with a lightsaber in the picture. Speaking of pictures, we finally get something new for Terra. I short, and in a night math to boot, this is one upset I’m not about to get cold feet over.

Terra with 54.7%



Crew Consensus: 4-3 split 4 Revan

Why are people taking HK-47 to be stronger than Revan

Someone please explain this to me

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I'm actually worried about Revan for some reason. I just don't have a good feeling about this match.
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From: KamikazePotato | #461
Why are people taking HK-47 to be stronger than Revan

Someone please explain this to me

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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So what percentages are you guys gonna predict on this match?

While were not completely sure if Dissidia boosted alot of the FF chars, i've got a hunch that Terra could hit 70% on Revan (Even though i like Star Wars, simply having "Darth" in your name and having a lightsaber won't make him a badass, he's gotta earn it).

While people speculated that Dissidia affected mostly just older ff games like 4 and 6, i believe it affected X as well (Points to Fenix and Jecht match where Jecht surprised us).

Overall, the first minutes of the match will probably be the most intense moment of the match unless the votes are so evenly split which i doubt will happen.
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I think the Dissidia boost was fairly small, although the FFIVDS boost was very large. Kefka/Arthas was mostly Arthas being a 4-way creation in a way that no one else was save joke characters, and the picture.
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While people speculated that Dissidia affected mostly just older ff games like 4 and 6, i believe it affected X as well (Points to Fenix and Jecht match where Jecht surprised us).

On the other hand, it did nothing for Tidus. Jecht is the only New Square character who benefited from Dissidia.
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Jecht benefitted from Dissidia? We can't possibly know that given that he's never been in a contest before.
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Jecht didn't really surprise anyone. I don't think there was anyone here that though Phoenix was a lock to win, and Jecht didn't win by that much.
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I'm curious who wins the board vote. Zelda took it big from Terra, but that was at the height of the Nintendo Power Hour.
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Yeah you can argue that point.

But Tidus was already a well established character like Cloud and Squall.

The reason i still mentioned ffx was because of Jecht, in the game he hardly had any screen and we didnt to read much off of him.

Dissidia gave him a lot of spotlight and more personality (in fact in Dissidia if you played as Jecht and faced Terra even she can read him, "Isn't there someone you want to protect?" She's referring to Jecht's son Tidus.)
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Terra wins the board vote easily. Old School FF vs. WRPG.

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From: KamikazePotato | #461
Why are people taking HK-47 to be stronger than Revan

Someone please explain this to me

People think HK-47 is stronger because he's the one who's been making it into contests on his own.

They don't realize this is because of the issues with Revan noms being inconsistent due to the spoiler.
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Jecht has some strength because people care about FFX's story. You don't have to be a main playable character to still be central in a storyline. He beats Phoenix pre-Dissidia, I wager.
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Revan is a cookie cutter blank-slate hero

...

*opens mouth*

*closes mouth*

Yeah.

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I can believe that Dissidia did some good for Jecht. He would have never made a contest without it, and probably loses to Phoenix.

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Zero with 60.7%.
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I kinda wanna rush this to 500 before the match starts
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Great discussion guys
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Don't do it yo think what we could lose
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Well, only a few minutes until a potential bracket buster! I'm on the edge of my seat.

I still can't get over how poorly Marcus fared in today's poll. I mean, yikes.

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Great pump up music for this one!
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Essential fodder in these contests:

1. CATS
2. Phoenix Wright (I don't know if he'd even be considered fodder these days, but bear with me for the sake of argument)

That's it.
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Board vote better favor Revan

Come on guys LIGHTSABER
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This is a cute and pop genocide of love!

There were all of two debatable matches this contest where I ignored both logic and gut feelings and just followed my heart. One was Neku vs. Laharl. The other was this match.

You've already failed me once, Ma-Ti! Don't do it again!

CATS is as stale as L-Block at this point.

I'd rather see the Leeroy Jenkins guy or Mudkip again if we're going to keep having internet fads in the contest. Or one of the trucks from Big Rigs.
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Essential...fodder?

Does not compute.
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That's some good KOTOR music, but optimally we'd have something like the Star Wars theme playing on the front page today.

...or the Imperial March!
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Essential fodder in these contests:

1. CATS
2. Phoenix Wright (I don't know if he'd even be considered fodder these days, but bear with me for the sake of argument)

That's it.

I can get behind this. Though if it were up to me, I'd add Claptrap!

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From: HaRRicH | #487
Essential...fodder?

Does not compute.

Phoenix Wright is essential. If you deny it, I'll object your face!
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Laharl is essential! He can win matches! We just saw it happen!

>_>

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Hey Karma, remember the mock trial on Dantooine? Handon Guld vs Rickard Lusoff
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Imperial March playing on the homepage would make for Revan with 80%

I approve

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I loved Mr. Guld
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CATS was stale when the first bracket came out. You shouldn't care!
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come on people

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Squall, we gonna tear into that pretty ass!
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If Terra wins, my Guru bracket is eliminated!
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I still like CATS, I won't lie.

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Phoenix is fodder?

Does not compute, even if it probably should!
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