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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 3:06:53 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #244
I don't know that you can really say that when there's no real way of knowing where Ken would even be at. He hasn't been in a contest in over seven years, and just came off of SFIV to get him back into the contest. Not that I necessarily think that Wesker and Ken have both gone above and beyond, but that's one match where it's hard to say where either of them are at.

I concede this point, but at the same time, Ryu didn't exactly shatter expectations against Balthier (at least not to me anyway). I don't think Ken would have boosted too awful much. Wesker definitely boosted a decent bit unless Ken winds up weaker than Chun-Li or Bison (which I doubt), but nothing out of line from what you'd expect.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 2/8/2010 3:06:55 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #250
Proto Man lookin BADASS. 35%+ is what I'm thinking

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3285&num=4

So you'd take Protoman to easily beat Zero in a rematch then?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 3:07:31 PM | message detail

The only problem is that you've now made Protoman appeal to the same demographic as Snake.

Protoman doomed, 15% inevitable
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/8/2010 3:08:58 PM | message detail

Except GTA4 had very well received expansions. Most people thought it would be a close match, and some even took Niko. The fact that she won THAT soundly is pretty damn clear that she boosted through the roof, and Wesker going even with Ken after a history of sucking in these things only supports that. 6 year absense or not, you can only realistically put Ken so low.

That's not evidence of a boost. That's just our expectations not being met.

And GTA4 has fallen. Just look at the game contest. don't give me this 'well-received' nonsense; you are on GameFAQs, buddy.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/8/2010 3:08:58 PM | message detail

Time for Lloyd>Fox

Two times the swords means two times the votes!

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 2/8/2010 3:11:03 PM | message detail

http://img.imgcake.com/Foxpngar.png

Still raging.

Thanks, Bacon.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 2/8/2010 3:11:30 PM | message detail

Those pics look pretty good (Protoman especially)... except Fox. He looks dreadful to me. Now if Lloyd was worth a damn of anything we might have had something. =/
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HaRRicH | Posted 2/8/2010 3:15:39 PM | message detail

Fox and Banjo should have traded positions.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/8/2010 3:16:11 PM | message detail

Banjo or Lloyd??!
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 2/8/2010 3:16:14 PM | message detail

Except GTA4 had very well received expansions.

I believe Niko either wasn't in them or played a minor role. I'm not too sure on this, though.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 3:16:38 PM | message detail

Lloyd would kill Banjo.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/8/2010 3:17:08 PM | message detail

Not in the lowest depths of ToS failing to live up to expectations would any of them lose to Banjo.

Fox/Pika would've been interesting, though.

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red sox 777 | Posted 2/8/2010 3:20:04 PM | message detail

Bad picture for Fox, great pictures for the others, especially Lloyd. I found it rather odd that Lloyd looks to have held up from 2005 to 2007/2008 pretty well while Kratos Aurion fell off the face of the map. Lloyd actually did substantially better against Zero the second time around and matched his 2005 performance on Zero on MMX last year. I'm not sure what that means.
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HaRRicH | Posted 2/8/2010 3:20:21 PM | message detail

Banjo or Lloyd??!

No, for Fox/Pika and to not let Banjo get completely embarrassed.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 2/8/2010 3:20:23 PM | message detail

Banjo (2007c) VS Zelos (2007c)

Banjo has a strength of 11.13.
Zelos has a strength of 8.92.

Banjo wins with 59.93% of the vote!
A win of 23,868 with 120,206 total votes cast.
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Oranejo | Posted 2/8/2010 3:21:00 PM | message detail

Hey, my Proto Man picture was chosen. This is the first time any of my match pics have been used. :D

KamikazePotato | Posted 2/8/2010 3:21:41 PM | message detail

The Magus Effect. Fan favorites will fall off over time while main characters stay relatively the same. Probably due to fan favorites requiring recency for people to remember them well, while main character symbolize the game itself. Unless you are Auron, in which case the situation is reversed.

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red sox 777 | Posted 2/8/2010 3:21:50 PM | message detail

Lloyd would beat Banjo, but I wouldn't be surprised if Banjo got a respectable number on Pikachu anyway. Don't think the anti-votes are completely gone yet, and they'll show up in this format.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/8/2010 3:25:12 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #267
The Magus Effect. Fan favorites will fall off over time while main characters stay relatively the same. Probably due to fan favorites requiring recency for people to remember them well, while main character symbolize the game itself. Unless you are Auron, in which case the situation is reversed.

Sonic > Kirby all yeah
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/8/2010 3:26:14 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 2/8/2010 6:17:08 PM | #262
Not in the lowest depths of ToS failing to live up to expectations would any of them lose to Banjo.

Fox/Pika would've been interesting, though.

Didn't that match happen back in 2003?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 2/8/2010 3:26:19 PM | message detail

That's not evidence of a boost. That's just our expectations not being met.

And GTA4 has fallen. Just look at the game contest. don't give me this 'well-received' nonsense; you are on GameFAQs, buddy.

Noone is saying that match was ALL Jill, but it's ludicrous to think that she didn't get a sizable RE5 boost.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/8/2010 3:27:36 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #270
Didn't that match happen back in 2003?

Which is why it would be interesting now.

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Lightslayer987 | Posted 2/8/2010 3:27:44 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #270
Didn't that match happen back in 2003?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1306

One of the best matches in the history of the contest
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/8/2010 3:32:56 PM | message detail

I remember during that match people on the board were saying to wait until the kiddies woke up in the morning. Then Fox did even better with the day vote.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/8/2010 3:32:57 PM | message detail

I'd still take Fox but that's me.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 3:34:40 PM | message detail

I'd be kinda surprised if Pikachu lost that one now, personally.

Well, Fox did pretty well for himself against Yoshi last year, so who knows?
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ZFS | Posted 2/8/2010 3:35:00 PM | message detail

I concede this point, but at the same time, Ryu didn't exactly shatter expectations against Balthier (at least not to me anyway). I don't think Ken would have boosted too awful much. Wesker definitely boosted a decent bit unless Ken winds up weaker than Chun-Li or Bison (which I doubt), but nothing out of line from what you'd expect.

I'd agree about Ryu. I do think he put up a good number -- and most seemed to peg him at low-to-mid 60s, from what I saw -- but yeah, it wasn't earth shattering. You could maybe make the argument that Ken would be more likely to benefit from SFIV than Ryu, though, because he's so popular to play as online and he's weaker. In any case, we'll find out before Ryu/Dante rolls around since Ken faces Ganondorf earlier on.

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red sox 777 | Posted 2/8/2010 3:35:54 PM | message detail

I've thought Fox was underrated for years, he finally got the chance to prove himself last year, and he did by getting almost 44% on Sora. I'll still take Fox in that one, although it's hard to reconcile that my thinking of Pikachu as the equal of that tier of second tier Nintendo characters.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 2/8/2010 3:42:59 PM | message detail

new rate the pic:

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/8/2010 3:51:54 PM | message detail

I've thought Fox was underrated for years, he finally got the chance to prove himself last year, and he did by getting almost 44% on Sora. I'll still take Fox in that one, although it's hard to reconcile that my thinking of Pikachu as the equal of that tier of second tier Nintendo characters.

Agreed. Though with Chris Redfield's overperformance in that match, it looked worse than it actually was.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 3:53:08 PM | message detail

Okay, Dante, freeze right there! My Oracle is perfect!
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voltch | Posted 2/8/2010 4:23:25 PM | message detail

screw your oracle mine's doomed.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/8/2010 4:46:44 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #281
Okay, Dante, freeze right there! My Oracle is perfect!

Wait a minute, when I dialed down my prediction to Dante with 64% last night, you said that it would still be a good performance, and you had him at 69%?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 4:50:53 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #283
Wait a minute, when I dialed down my prediction to Dante with 64% last night, you said that it would still be a good performance, and you had him at 69%?

My Oracles aren't based on my personal expectations. I derive them entirely from LOL XSTATS just for fun. I didn't realize how badly Dante was expected to win based on them when I said that though. I hadn't looked at my Oracle since I posted it. And since Dante and Ryu basically performed to expectations based off of them, it makes Dante look even better. He's already projected to win 55/45 based on last year's stats as it is, so this is just gravy! I still don't think 64% would've been a bad performance because I was thinking more in terms of Axel's 2006 performance on Mega Man than anything else. If Dante could get within 5% of matching that, he'd be fine, I figured.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/8/2010 5:02:54 PM | message detail

Looks like Dante is going to beat Ryu's % on Balthier. Good show.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 5:03:17 PM | message detail

Huh, looks like the ASV is over because Dante just jumped back up to a 70% hour.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/8/2010 5:06:28 PM | message detail

The ASV is actually an ASV now and not just the day character gaining for the rest of the day. Kind of nice to have a SNV again!

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/8/2010 5:35:22 PM | message detail

Really? It looks like it hasn't ended yet.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 5:39:18 PM | message detail

Axel's still gaining, but at nowhere near the pace he was from about 3-7.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 2/8/2010 5:59:35 PM | message detail

I like TME. What other examples of it do we have?

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/The_Magus_Effect

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Lightslayer987 | Posted 2/8/2010 6:01:21 PM | message detail

Zero/Mega Man sounds like a good one to me.
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voltch | Posted 2/8/2010 6:02:35 PM | message detail

So what's the Tidus/Auron situation?
The reverse magus effect?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 6:02:37 PM | message detail

From: Ngamer64 | #290
I like TME. What other examples of it do we have?

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/The_Magus_Effect

Shadow and Knuckles, probably. They've fallen harder than Sonic has, in all likelihood.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/8/2010 6:03:24 PM | message detail

I coined a phrase!

Mega Man and Zero
Auron and Tidus (debatable)

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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/8/2010 6:04:16 PM | message detail

Sora and Riku

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red sox 777 | Posted 2/8/2010 6:04:58 PM | message detail

Cloud/Aeris and Megaman/Zero are pretty good examples. Link/Ganondorf + Zelda and Mario/Luigi are also examples, and in these, the weaker character also boosts faster than the stronger character in addition to falling faster. (And this was my idea first, although KP gave it an excellent name!)
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voltch | Posted 2/8/2010 6:05:03 PM | message detail

Riku more a fan fav than Axel?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 6:05:22 PM | message detail

How strong was Riku in the first place though? He's never come close to matching that 45% on Yoshi in any appearance since.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/8/2010 6:06:50 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #298
How strong was Riku in the first place though? He's never come close to matching that 45% on Yoshi in any appearance since.

Exactly! >_>

Also, Solid Snake and Liquid Snake from 2008 to 2010. Yeah yeah he benefited from LFF and all, but he was definitely stronger from the start due to the MGS4 high.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/8/2010 6:07:36 PM | message detail

More like Liquid benefited from OFPUF and that first round match against Luigi was a fluke and not legitimate strength!
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