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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 816

EternalxCourage | Posted 2/3/2010 1:01:27 PM | message detail
So because I'm saying Ratchet could have boosted because of gaming becoming more mainstream, and the amount of attention he receives due to promotions...I'm not serious? I dunno what I was thinking.

If Crash is any indication then Ratchet could put up some solid numbers on Jecht. I don't think it's one of those obvious Ryu vs. Balthier matches. Jecht is the clear favorite, but in this contest anything can happen (within reason.)
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 2/3/2010 1:07:30 PM | message detail
Nah, there's no way Ratchet breaks 40 on Jecht. He's bleeding off percentage to Eddie Riggs! When this match began, it looked like Ratchet would have 70 percent easily, and now he might not even be able to score a doubling.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/3/2010 1:08:09 PM | message detail
You're seriously overestimating Jecht if you think there's no chance Ratchet breaks 40% on him.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 2/3/2010 1:08:37 PM | message detail
Jecht had a war with Phoenix Wright. He's not breaking 60% on Ratchet.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 2/3/2010 1:11:09 PM | message detail
Phoenix would break 60% on Ratchet

so jecht would too

for reals
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 2/3/2010 1:15:03 PM | message detail
It's Ratchet. Jecht was an unproven entity before, but now we can gauge him, and the fact that it's a night match definitely favors Jecht. Square owns the night.
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Incorrect picks: Ocelot, Wesker, Fawful, Tidus (2 rounds), Phoenix (2 rounds)
UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/3/2010 1:15:12 PM | message detail
Of course Ratchet could have boosted from mainstream exposure. I never said otherwise. I just mean you need a lot more than some commercials.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/3/2010 1:33:38 PM | message detail
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 2/3/2010 1:42:18 PM | message detail
Sin (2005v) VS Ratchet (2004c)

Sin has a strength of 16.36.
Ratchet has a strength of 10.78.

Sin wins with 67.05% of the vote!
A win of 24,873 with 72,927 total votes cast.


i think this is all that has to be said about jecht vs ratchet
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 2/3/2010 1:46:46 PM | message detail
From: Lightslayer987 | #109
Sin (2005v) VS Ratchet (2004c)

Sin has a strength of 16.36.
Ratchet has a strength of 10.78.

Sin wins with 67.05% of the vote!
A win of 24,873 with 72,927 total votes cast.


i think this is all that has to be said about jecht vs ratchet


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HaRRicH | Posted 2/3/2010 1:46:52 PM | message detail
The Theater Factor, ladies and gentlemen.


I was also wondering if Ratchet could have boosted, but considering how every performance of his have been lame and he hasn't boosted much despite well-received games every year, I'd still think Phoenix could easily break 55% on Ratchet in a bad day. I mean, Ratchet's somewhere between Thrall and Nana based on four-ways, and Dante in 2004 broke 80% on Ratchet the last time we saw him one-on-one...I don't think Phoenix has done anything to make us doubt he could outdo any of that. Don't bring up Thrall this year either, because the Thrall we saw against Link is not the same Thrall that Ratchet/Vergil/Ganon faced.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 2/3/2010 1:48:16 PM | message detail
Ratchet has no reason to boost this year and not other years; his game this year wasn't even as well received as some of his other yearly installments. This is just Eddie Riggs being outright pathetic.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/3/2010 1:50:16 PM | message detail
I would trust Ratchet's 25% on Luigi more than 19% on Dante.
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voltch | Posted 2/3/2010 1:52:22 PM | message detail
Sooo Ratchet>Jak then?
I wonder what Daxter vs Clank gives us.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/3/2010 1:54:02 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #081
Maybe Ratchet boosted from those PS3 commercials with the evil cabal looking to buy his weapons :)


Dude, Ratchet & Clank games have always had incredible commercials. Nothing has changed about the series from the very start other than the platform they're released on. Ratchet has no chance to beat Jecht next round. The guy got 57.37% on Nana last year.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 2/3/2010 1:56:17 PM | message detail
fodder blowouts just come down to 1 thing: recognizability. More people know Ratchet then Eddie Riggs. Put him against someone who has an actual fanbase though, like Jecht, and he'll crumble.

Seriously guys, you're considering Ratchet would beat PHOENIX. The guy who led Bowser for like 8 hours last contest.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/3/2010 1:56:50 PM | message detail
Oh, forgot to post the chart from the night match:

Time | Phoenix | Jecht | Votes
0:05 | 52.20% | 47.80% | 1366
1:00 | 49.28% | 50.72% | 9642
2:00 | 48.72% | 51.28% | 5638
3:00 | 48.90% | 51.10% | 4143
4:00 | 48.03% | 51.97% | 3040
5:00 | 46.91% | 53.09% | 2362
6:00 | 47.07% | 52.93% | 2269
7:00 | 48.31% | 51.69% | 2867
8:00 | 46.73% | 53.27% | 3535
9:00 | 44.80% | 55.20% | 4009
10:00 | 45.38% | 54.62% | 4229
11:00 | 45.40% | 54.60% | 4211
12:00 | 44.92% | 55.08% | 3934

Phoenix does great for the first four hours, and Jecht slowly got better as the match went along, as expected.
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voltch | Posted 2/3/2010 1:57:42 PM | message detail
weren't the UK ratchet and Clank ads during christmas though?
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/3/2010 1:59:53 PM | message detail
From a common sense perspective, there's actually nothing shocking about Ratchet beating Phoenix at all, not that I would take it.

And we have no idea where Nana is, except for that match. Ratchet got 22% on Sephiroth in that match (15% if you give Seph 100% of Tifa's votes), so he should be high fodder. Under the 15% Fodder Line definition, he's probably not fodder at all.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 2/3/2010 2:01:10 PM | message detail
Some votals we have this match

Seriously this makes Laharl vs. Neku's look high.

And yeah, almost no chance Jecht isn't breaking 60% on Ratchet. He could even go for the doubling.
LeonhartFour | Posted 2/3/2010 2:01:14 PM | message detail
Ratchet's always been pretty bad fodder. I'm not sure why that would change now. Don't even point to Crash Bandicoot because he was always high fodder.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 2/3/2010 2:01:49 PM | message detail
if ratchet isn't fodder, then you're being very conservative with the definition of fodder
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voltch | Posted 2/3/2010 2:02:04 PM | message detail
all sony platformers are horrible.
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 2/3/2010 2:02:16 PM | message detail
Well of course not; it's damn hard to look good against Link. Thrall actually did well to break 20%.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/3/2010 2:05:18 PM | message detail
Well, using 15% on Link as the fodder line makes it much easier to escape being fodder than before. But under a more traditional fodder line, Ratchet should still be fairly high fodder, or at the worst decent fodder. He's never been bad fodder outside of that Dante match, and I'd call SFF on it to explain the difference between what Ratchet put up on Luigi the year before, if anything.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 2/3/2010 2:06:40 PM | message detail
generally, i consider anyone who can't win a match without help (giving an easy match vs. even worse fodder like this one) as fodder. And I could never see ratchet winning a match on his own against someone people know.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/3/2010 2:07:33 PM | message detail
Phoenix isn't someone people know! If you want recognizability, Ratchet has Phoenix beat, easily.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 2/3/2010 2:09:28 PM | message detail
Know=/=like

Said it a thousand times. Phoenix beat Crash pretty badly, anyway.
voltch | Posted 2/3/2010 2:11:48 PM | message detail
phoenix really does seem like a unique case when ya think bout it.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/3/2010 2:12:49 PM | message detail
Well, yeah, like I said, I'd take Phoenix to beat Ratchet, but he wouldn't blow him out or anything. But you can't argue that fodder matches are all about recognizability, and then use Phoenix Wright as an example of a character Ratchet can't beat!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/3/2010 2:22:56 PM | message detail
He's never been bad fodder outside of that Dante match, and I'd call SFF on it to explain the difference between what Ratchet put up on Luigi the year before, if anything.

Ratchet's 2003 XStat value - 12.85%
Ratchet's 2004 XStat value - 10.78%
Ratchet's 2007 XStat value - 13.12%
Ratchet's 2008 XStat value - 13.40%

He still looks like bad fodder to me. The 2004 stat in particular looks bad, but Dante's always been good at obliterating fodder, so...
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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/3/2010 2:28:03 PM | message detail
25% on 2k3 Luigi really isn't anything to be proud of, either. That's the same as getting trebled by 2k3 Jill or quadded by 2k3 Squall or sextupled by 2k3 Samus. (I can keep going!) Luigi didn't become the force we know and love today until 2k5.
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creativename | Posted 2/3/2010 2:39:05 PM | message detail
Yeah, after reading all this it's looking to me like Ratchet would be very lucky to break 45% on Jecht.

Phoenix should be at over 20% on Link you'd think, and even if Ratchet has boosted you can put him at what, maybe 17%-18%? 18/20/2=45% seems to be about his max. I've reconsidered and maybe 60% is a realistic possibility for Jecht - although I still doubt it. For some reason I have trouble seeing that happen.

Anyway, Ratchet's fairly optimistic high of maybe 20% seems to be below Jecht's fairly pessimistic floor.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 2/3/2010 3:23:55 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #132
He's never been bad fodder outside of that Dante match, and I'd call SFF on it to explain the difference between what Ratchet put up on Luigi the year before, if anything.

Ratchet's 2003 XStat value - 12.85%
Ratchet's 2004 XStat value - 10.78%
Ratchet's 2007 XStat value - 13.12%
Ratchet's 2008 XStat value - 13.40%

He still looks like bad fodder to me. The 2004 stat in particular looks bad, but Dante's always been good at obliterating fodder, so...


I'd say Ratchet/Dante is a bit of an SFF case, both PS2 only series at that point in time.
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voltch | Posted 2/3/2010 6:02:33 PM | message detail
you know a match sucks balls, when discussions have totally died out like this.
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paulg235 | Posted 2/3/2010 6:14:40 PM | message detail
More like this and the next few matches won't be interesting, thus no need for discussion. We're looking at a Zeldominance, followed by Ezio 70-30'ing the king of Belmonts.
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machinegungeek | Posted 2/3/2010 6:14:47 PM | message detail
Sandal v. Riggs. What are the percentages? What are the votals? Are there any votals? All burning questions one must ask.

But seriously, getting more than doubled by freakin' Ratchet is just seriously sad. I mean, I'd take WCC over Ratchet... Man, Eddie is just piss weak.
voltch | Posted 2/3/2010 6:25:36 PM | message detail
Eddie piss weak, then baby Tanner vs Eddie!



nah, if your fodder at least have a cool gimmick or lots of quotable lines so that we can have some fun in the stats topic.
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machinegungeek | Posted 2/3/2010 6:34:30 PM | message detail
Seriously, the only interesting part of this match is how it pertains for the race for last place in the 2010 x-stats (sff adjusted). Will it be Miles? Sandal? Eddie? Not if Guybrush and Wander have a say in it! (Go Wander, for last place, 2010 X-Stats!)
voltch | Posted 2/3/2010 6:36:32 PM | message detail
No way in hell is Guybrush hitting rock bottom this year.
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paulg235 | Posted 2/3/2010 6:40:38 PM | message detail
Well, let's see;

- Vincent triples Guybrush (25%)
- Sephiroth SFF's Vincent badly, we've seen how bad Vinny can take it from 2007, 70-30 win (10%)
- Sephiroth loses to Cloud 55-45 style (8%)
- Link beats Cloud (7.5%)

It's possible.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/3/2010 6:42:48 PM | message detail
Edgeworth won't be dead last for sure. Guybrush could get close to last place in the raw stats once Sephy's done with Vincent.
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machinegungeek | Posted 2/3/2010 6:49:00 PM | message detail
^ But I was assuming SFF adjusted x-stats. More as in who is the weakest character this year, not who got an unfavorable SFF ridden proxy path. (On a side note; Sephy has like three SFF matches in a row after Guybrush. After that he gets Snake. If he beats Snake, he gets Cloud. That's 4/6 matches being SFF matches. What the hey?)
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/3/2010 6:49:49 PM | message detail
Off the top of my head, I'm going with Sandal. I think Luigi will make short work of WCC on his way to being on the bad end of a Link tripling or quadrupling.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/3/2010 6:50:18 PM | message detail
Raw stats could be Guybrush, but adjusted stats will have to be Sandal.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/3/2010 6:51:12 PM | message detail
Sandal or Eddie Riggs have a chance at dead last.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/3/2010 6:51:18 PM | message detail
What are we even going to adjust on? The last 1v1 contest?
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voltch | Posted 2/3/2010 6:51:40 PM | message detail
what of Layton?
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/3/2010 6:52:37 PM | message detail
You can count that as a vote for not having an officlal SFF-Adjusted Extrapolated Standings this year, by the way. All we need is the raw Extrapolated Standings, and let everyone adjust themselves as they wish.
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