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Heh, kinda funny how Roxas ends up getting the night vote because of the rallying.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Well it looks like Roxas can, in fact, outsmart bullet.
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Fun Fact: If you only take into account the votes cast past 2 A.M. (when the rallying appears to have ceased or at least greatly subsided), Roxas has 58.24% of the vote, and it'll probably end up higher than that with the way he's flying with the morning vote.
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Varia Division: Round 1 - Match 36 – (4) Tidus vs. (13) Sub-Zero

Moltar’s Analysis

Tidus
The guy looked okay in 2008…but he ended up losing to a Cube.

Sub-Zero
Less than Zero

This is a fun match. The winner here is likely to move on to Round 3, so this is important. First, you have to point out that Sub-Zero is only here because of the vote-in poll. Most of the characters from the vote-in polls have looked like crap, and you can make excuses for the ones that have looked good (The Boss beat Nathan because he sux. Lightning did well because Sonic Team sux). That’s a point in favor of Tidus.

However, we’re talking about Tidus here, so that’s a point for Subbie.

Pointless bashing aside, Tidus did look better than Sub-Zero in 2008. Sure, he may have lost to a Cube, but he also went even with it in Round 1 and put up 38% on Mega Man in R2. Sub-Zero, on the other hand, put up 40% on Auron in R1 and 37% on him in R2. Not bad, but Tidus’s numbers look a bit better when you compare them.

This should be a close one, but Tidus has the slight-edge in just about every category. Plus DISSIDIA BOOST or whatever.

Moltar’s Bracket: Tidus > Sub-Zero

Moltar’s Prediction: Tidus: 52% - Sub-Zero: 48%



Lopen’s Analysis

Still tired from bein up all night finishing up moving so I'll be brief.

After seein DISSIDIA BOOST 4REAL and Ken (Scorpion too kinda seeing the vote in) suck ass I have a feeling we're due for an unexpected Ulti Style blowout where there would normally be debate.

Lopen's prediction:
Tidus with 57.09%



Transience’s Analysis

Okay, here it is! One of the biggest round 1 matches. The winner of this should go two rounds, and statistically they're pretty damn close.

It's difficult to make a strong argument for either guy. Tidus is the Guru favourite and for good reason. He's an RPG character from a game that's miles stronger than all the MK games combined. He was recently in Dissidia and is quite liked there. Square's had a pretty good contest so far (though the big guns have yet to go, so the jury's still out there). He's got a better picture.

Wait, what? A better picture? Yeah, I went there. Tidus is supremely recognizable while Sub-Zero doesn't have his classic ninja picture from MK2 or 3. Instead he's got a picture that, while it technically looks cool, isn't the Sub-Zero that everyone loves. Tidus always looks like a chick. People who like Tidus don't care about this. People who do care about this aren't going to vote for Tidus anyway. The picture advantage goes to Tidus.

Tidus has always been pretty love/hate and that hasn't changed eight years later. He doesn't have the full support of the FF10 fanbase thanks to his character design and his voice actor. Sub-Zero doesn't have huge fans, but, like Ryu, he's just classic. Like Ryu, you don't have to play his game in order to know and like him. In a match against the dorky Tidus, the cool Sub-Zero (no pun intended) stands out as a good option. I'm kind of worried about the picture, but I'm sticking with my original pick: Sub-Zero.

transience's prediction: Sub-Zero with 54.03%



Kleenex’s Analysis

Time to find out if DISSIDIA BOOST is real or not. I've got Sub-Zero in my bracket, and that's what I'm sticking with him here. Subby may not have been as impressive last year as he was the two before, but I just trust Tidus less. Won't be surprised if Tidus wins (I'd be surprised if it was by a lot), but I've gotta pick one.


Bracket: Sub-Zero
Favorites: Tidus
Prediction: Sub-Zero with 55.19%

Red Sox’s Analysis

One of the most debatable matches of the first round arrives! Tidus and Sub-Zero are both solid midcarders. I’ve always been a little surprised about the strength of the Mortal Kombat characters, but Sub-Zero has always been solid, beating Master Chief and putting up 40% on Auron, before putting up similar numbers in the last 2 years.

Meanwhile, Tidus has a reputation for underperforming, which I think is undeserved. He lost narrowly to Ganondorf in 2003 in a match that was perhaps the high point of his contest career. Then he beat Shadow in 2004 in a debated match, lost badly to Kirby in 2005 in a debated match, lost to Pikachu in 2007, and lost to Cube in 2008 but smashed DK (with Tails LFFing him) pretty hard. None of that signifies any choking to me.

Tidus put up 38% on Megaman last year, which is actually slightly higher than Cid just put up on MM a few days ago. If Megaman is a little stronger than Auron, that puts Tidus and Sub-Zero at around the same level. Tidus being worth 40% on Auron also makes sense looking back to past 1v1 contests. Yuna and Auron both faced Ganondorf in 2005, and Yuna was projected to get roughly 43% on Auron. Tidus and Yuna are probably fairly close, and Auron’s KH2 role probably enabled him to widen that gap somewhat.

I considered this match just about completely even before the contest, and so I took my favorite here: Tidus. Since the contest started, I like the way Tidus’s opponents from 2008 have performed: Megaman, DK, Cube, and Tails have all done well. So I think his chances have improved a little bit beyond 50%.

Prediction: Tidus with 50.88%
Upset Potential: 45%
Upper Bound: Tidus with 56.00%
Lower Bound: Sub-Zero with 55.00%



Guest’s Analysis - LeonhartFour

This is one of the biggest matches of the first round right here. The winner of this match essentially has a free pass into round three. This is also one of the biggest first round tossups. Only Alucard/Magus is more split in the Guru Contest for a first round match. Tidus is a moderate favorite, having 57.64% of the brackets. However, I get the idea that the Sub-Zero pickers are more confident in their pick than Tidus pickers are. I know that this match has me more nervous than any other. I’ve been as big of a proponent of Sub-Zero’s strength as anyone has. I’d been pushing for him to get into the contest since 2005, and I picked him to beat Master Chief in 2006 without a second thought. I always knew that he’d be stronger than Scorpion (and it surprised me that, even after how well Subby has done in every contest appearance he’s had, there were and maybe still are some people who don’t think he’s any stronger than Scorps).

To be perfectly honest with you, if I weren’t such a Tidus fanboy, I’d have probably picked Sub-Zero to win here. I think very highly of his strength, and Tidus doesn’t exactly have an illustrious contest history (although I don’t think it’s quite as bad as some people have asserted. He’s just gotten some crummy draws and faced some characters that ended up being a good deal stronger than we thought, like Kirby in 2005, Pikachu in 2007, and the Cube in 2008). However, I really do think Tidus can win. My fanboyism is always rooted in logic, no matter how twisted and stretched it may be!

People often point to Sub-Zero getting 40% on post-KHII Auron on multiple occasions, and with good reason. That’s an impressive performance, no doubt about it. He had a great first round performance against Sonic in 2007, scoring 45% on the Blue Blur, though that was back before we realized just how far the guy had fallen. However, Sub-Zero has had less than stellar performances beyond the first round in 4-ways. He got 41% on Sonic in round 2 in 2008, 37% on Auron, and let Sandbag get 42.50% on him. He got rocked by Sonic and Squall in round 3 in 2007, only getting 35% on them (Granted, that was post-Brawl announcement Sonic, but still). Now this could just be 4-way weirdness and it probably is. It’s probably more worthwhile to look at what he did in 2006, but even then, he was barely stronger than Master Chief, who’s just middle of the road in these contests. Not to take anything away from Sub-Zero, but I’m just trying to say he’s not out of Tidus’s league because Chief ain’t either, I don’t think.

Tidus is a perennial underperformer in these contests, but his performances haven’t been all bad. Yeah, he only got 42.5% on Kirby in 2005, but that was a Kirby who got 49% on a Bowser who went 50/50 with Snake (sprite Snake, but nevertheless). Yeah, he got beat by Pikachu twice in 2007, but that was a Pikachu who whipped Dante and Leon Kennedy later on in the contest, too. Tidus proved that year that he’s just a tad below Vivi, who’s just a tad below Zero, who is obviously stronger than Sub-Zero (Because Sub-Zero is below Zero, get it? Ha ha ha…ha…ha…). Anyway! I’m just saying that those performances aren’t as bad as we tend to say they were. Plus, I don’t think we’d consider Sub-Zero to be a prohibitive favorite to beat Vivi or Zero either.

Tidus did pretty well in 2008. While he lost a close one to the Cube, he beat DK (who showed he’s still about the same as he’s always been in his match with Vivi earlier this year) and Tails (who’s currently got 40% on Kratos as I write this). Yeah, he got ousted in round two pretty easily, but not before getting 37% on Mega Man. Keep in mind that Sub-Zero got 37% on Auron that same year in round two, and I think most of us would consider Mega Man/Auron a tossup.

Finally (I really shouldn’t do write-ups on characters I really like…), I think Tidus has consistently shown himself to be relatively on the same level with Ryu from Street Fighter. They were in the Dream Division together in 2005, and Tidus did about as well on Kirby as Ryu did on Bowser. Tidus and Ryu basically put up identical performances in 2008, narrowly losing to the Cube and the Block respectively before getting beaten relatively easily in round two. Ryu did manage to do noticeably better on Crono than Tidus did on Mega Man though, for what it’s worth. So what’s the point of mentioning this? Ryu is the fighting game character, almost undoubtedly the strongest character who is primarily and exclusively a fighting game character. I don’t think any of us would take Sub-Zero to beat him. I’m just saying that Sub-Zero certainly isn’t out of Tidus’s league, and he’s finally going to validate himself by getting to round three this year (hopefully)!

And if you read all that, you’re a better man than I am. tl;dr version: Tidus is underrated by a lot of people, and Sub-Zero’s within his reach. Should be a good match one way or the other.

Leonhart’s Vote: Tidus

Leonhart’s Anticipation Level: Very, very high. This is my most anticipated match in round 1

Leonhart’s Prediction: Tidus with 51.63%



Crew Consensus: Sub-Zero has a good shot, but the Crew is backing Tidus today.

I still don't see why people are harping on about Sub-Shredder picture. He got 40% on post-KH2 Auron with that thing.
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holy crap, you used an apostrophe to make a word plural at least 3 times in that post. that's like cryptonite to me if I was batman - Bako Ikporamee

People are over-rating Subz from the 4ways (just like every other character this contest.) 4 ways should always be held serparate and aside from 1v1s.

That said Dissidia + FF boost = Tidus wins. With relative ease.
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Also why do people keep saying Ken looked horrible -- I thought at this point it was pretty obvious Wesker's had a massive boost. I'm backing Ken to beat Ganondorf if Wesker is on Jill's level!
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Sub-Zero wasn't really overrated from 4-ways; he proved he had fans when he beat the much more current and relevant Master Chief, and held up to beast mode Auron.


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Wesker is nowhere near Jill.

Also if you don't like four-ways you can use 2k6 Sub-Zero who ended up getting the same thing as 2k8.
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Character Battle VIII - 26/34 - Today's Winners: Roxas and Sub-Zero

Match XXXVI: (4) Tidus vs. (13) Sub-Zero

Information

Name: Tidus
Game/Series: Final Fantasy X
Previous Contest: 2008
Performance: 3rd in round 2

Name: Sub-Zero
Game/Series: Mortal Kombat
Previous Contest: 2008
Performance: 3rd in round 2

Analysis

This match by far has the most split support in round 1 in terms of who will win. When I made my bracket I went with Sub-Zero thinking it was an upset, but while according to the guru it is still an upset I didn’t think so many people would support him. This match is also important since the winner of this match will likely be the favourite to win the next round as well. It’s a shame that one character has to go while fodder is allowed to reach round 2, but I’m always for some characters getting an early exit in exchange for an interesting match.

Tidus has always been a character that the board never really trusted though he isn’t at the top of the list like Ocelot. Technically Tidus has looked slightly better over the years Sub-Zero has been in the contest, with the exception of 2006 where he got SFF by Squall. Even last year where he lost to WCC he was still able to defeat Donkey Kong by more than expected and he put up a decent performance on Mega Man.

Sub-Zero is the main benefiter of the people who don’t trust Tidus. Sub-Zero is no slouch breaking 40% on Auron, making him one of the board’s better choices in terms of Nomination Rally Tournament characters. In the 2007 contest some people had a theory that fighting game characters would appear to be stronger in the new format, but even his 2006 performance is good enough to win this match.

While Rikku was able to look good in her opening match and a Dissidia boost seems likely I’m not quite sold on Tidus winning. Like I said this match is important because the winner here will likely win the next round. I do find it kind of amusing that Tidus’ father is the next match, will it be father like son or will the two split here?

charmander6000’s Bracket: Sub-Zero > Tidus

charmander6000’s Prediction: Sub-Zero wins, 52.37% - 47.63%

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Character Battle VIII - 26/34 - Today's Winners: Roxas and Sub-Zero

From: EternalxCourage | #258
People are over-rating Subz from the 4ways (just like every other character this contest.) 4 ways should always be held serparate and aside from 1v1s.

That said Dissidia + FF boost = Tidus wins. With relative ease.

Yeah, except for the part where he looked just as strong in 4-ways as he did in 1-on1s.
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"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

This must be the first time Kingdom Hearts has performed worse in US than the actually result.

Even against Melee Kingdom Hearts was able to get a higher percent at the expense of FFX and Diablo II
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Character Battle VIII - 26/34 - Today's Winners: Roxas and Sub-Zero

I just noticed at around 4:30, Roxas had a 62% update, then the next update was 46%. I don't think I've ever seen that big of a difference between updates in a while..
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Actually result?

*facepalm*
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Character Battle VIII - 26/34 - Today's Winners: Roxas and Sub-Zero

Huh. Roxas ended up looking decently here; if you just count the votes for 2 AM onward, he's got 58.6% and risisng.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Also,

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/search.php?search=heavy&board=8

Worst so far!

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Sub-Zero (2006c) VS Tidus (2006c)

Sub-Zero has a strength of 28.01.
Tidus has a strength of 20.41.

Sub-Zero wins with 63.57% of the vote!
A win of 34,479 with 127,074 total votes cast.


whos ready for some of this in an hour
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Also why do people keep saying Ken looked horrible -- I thought at this point it was pretty obvious Wesker's had a massive boost. I'm backing Ken to beat Ganondorf if Wesker is on Jill's level!

Because he almost lost to Wesker - the same Wesker who was held under 30% by Kefka in his first contest outing and lost to Lloyd Irving. And there's just no way Wesker's on Jill's level.
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"Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia

Wesker isn't on Jill's level, but I like this talk of Jill being on Ganon's level!
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Wesker is obviously not that weak though. Ken is probably a low to mid mid-card like Chun Li/M. Bison/Akuma.
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Character Battle VIII - 26/34 - Today's Winners: Roxas and Sub-Zero

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Vote totals for the last 4 updates:

249 139
218 187
220 141
214 214
238 206

HEAVYYYYYYY

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Heavy wants to end up over 43% I see.
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From: Lightslayer987 | #269
Sub-Zero (2006c) VS Tidus (2006c)

Sub-Zero has a strength of 28.01.
Tidus has a strength of 20.41.

Sub-Zero wins with 63.57% of the vote!
A win of 34,479 with 127,074 total votes cast.


whos ready for some of this in an hour

To be fair, Tidus has Dissidia, so he might actually break 40%!
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Not Wylvane

And does vcharon ever do anything besides ***** and moan about characters he doesn't like? *****ing about a character not having any depth from a game he's never really played... it just makes him even more annoying than he's already been, if that's even possible.
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Not Wylvane

Something tells me we're all overthinking the next match. Sure it'll be decently close, but Tidus will win without ever being in danger.
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http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=99

From: Scott_Pilgrim | #278
Something tells me we're all overthinking the next match. Sure it'll be decently close, but Tidus will win without ever being in danger.

No year that both Subby and Tidus have been in the contest has Tidus ended up higher than Subby. If anything, Tidus people are overthinking the match. Subbys strength is seriously underrated.
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From: Lightslayer987 | #269
Sub-Zero (2006c) VS Tidus (2006c)

Sub-Zero has a strength of 28.01.
Tidus has a strength of 20.41.

Sub-Zero wins with 63.57% of the vote!
A win of 34,479 with 127,074 total votes cast.


whos ready for some of this in an hour

Oh look is Albion taking stats out of context and using the Tidus who got SFF'd by Squall?

SHOCKING
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

No year that both Subby and Tidus have been in the contest has Tidus ended up higher than Subby.

Sub-Zero was barely above Tidus in 2007, and char has Sub-Zero slightly above Tidus in his stats, while he's slightly below him in my stats (and these stats were all done as the contest progressed and I made absolutely no adjustments to them, so there's no hindsight bias in them, before you say anything!).

It should be pretty close.
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I still think either character can win, but if theres any character who gets an easy win, aka 55% or more, I think its more likely to be Subz.
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I would say Tidus has a better chance at making this match a joke with Dissidia and all. I'm actually waiting for this match before I finish my analysis on PW/Jecht.
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Character Battle VIII - 26/34 - Today's Winners: Roxas and Sub-Zero

Being close originally+Dissidia=ggSUBZERO!!!
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pff, Subby is jobbing in this contest, book it..
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For what it's worth, Tidus is both the strongest and newest FF-character we've seen so far this contest that's been in Dissidia...so he may not benefit like the likes of Cecil, Kefka, or even Zidane (where we still don't know if he boosted or not).

I felt really good with Sub-Zero before we've seen the Dissidia-boost be real, and now I don't know...I think Subz will take it in a close one or Tidus will run away with 55+%.
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http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7355/64590879.png

why were people so quick to dismiss the potential of a dissidia boost?
surely it ought to have been seen as a possible factor in close matches.

But gogo Tidus, you was easy as heck to use in that game so boost like crazy!
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Shakes Fist!

Everyone was swinging toward Sub-Zero before the Kefka match. That changed everything. Kefka appeared in Dissidia and is a known bomber... two things he and Tidus have in common.
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Tidus needs to kick this ninja out of the contest. Then again, smiling man against badass-looking armored ninja preparing a charged attack in the match pic doesn't exactly inspire confidence. And thus the rest of the match pics appear to be:

-Phoenix Wright box art facing Jecht concept art
-blagha cxawhod careas aboiut ratahcr34t agasinat mr.s riwsdgwes
-No More Heroes box art against OoT Zelda with SSBB-level of detail
-That's the first picture of Ezio I remember (he looks so much like Altair, bah) against the iconic S. Belmont picture

Not sure what to say about some of them.

In addition we need to see Umbrella Chronicles Jill (or whatever pic Jill had this time and last time in round 2) against Zero Suit Samus next round for battle of the stupidly sexy characters. Book it! Plus we need to make sure Niko doesn't look bad.

Darn, I still want to see Kefka against Samus with their worst (non-lettuce) match pics. FMV Kefka against ZSS would be quite a hilarious picture to me.

From: Lightslayer987 | #282
I still think either character can win, but if theres any character who gets an easy win, aka 55% or more, I think its more likely to be Subz.

I think either character could win easily, quite frankly.
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Then I hope it's Sub-Zero who wins easily!


Roxas with 70.44%.
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T E A M C H O C O L A T E
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7355/64590879.png

Aaaaand Heavy's over 43% again. Yay.
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T E A M C H O C O L A T E
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7355/64590879.png

Roxas vs MC, who ya got!
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Shakes Fist!

Night match, Roxas. Day match, MC.

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and 24 hours?
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Shakes Fist!

Time to play some Otherworld so I can imagine Jecht beating up Tidus.
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The anticaption is killing me

OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOOOD
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holy crap, you used an apostrophe to make a word plural at least 3 times in that post. that's like cryptonite to me if I was batman - Bako Ikporamee

Come on Tidus, Fatalities are meaningless, Jecht Shot is where it's at.
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Shakes Fist!

*starts playing "Someday the Dream Will End"*

Showtime.
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