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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 802

BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 1/26/2010 9:22:08 PM | message detail
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:22:12 PM | message detail
Hayabusa's big game is pretty Xbox-oriented... but he does have a bunch of non-xbox appearances... MC should SFF him to a degree, but he does have NES/PS3/DS stuff to draw from as well for the three people who played the DS game.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/26/2010 9:22:26 PM | message detail
For me to even begin to buy that Ryu Hayabusa would be affected at all by an 'Xbox hierarchy', him and Chief would need to share similar trends.

They don't. ToS characters have the exact same trends as every other Nintendo character. Chief and Ryu aren't even close.

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charmander6000 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:22:48 PM | message detail
It is when Ninja Gaiden games apparently have a god awful playrate on gamefaqs if the goty polls are any indication.

Which is why Hayabusa is fodder, oh wait.
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Character Battle VIII - 16/22 - Today's Winners: Ryu Hayabusa and Master Chief
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/26/2010 9:22:59 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #400
Chief isn't a weak character. Really the only stats that would have him below Ryu H are those which still treat Zero as a good match for Auron.

I'm not the one that's stuck in the past here.


seriously. like i said earlier, he woulda beaten both kirby and dante in final 12 horus of those matches last year, and nobody would consider Ryu H at that level. People need to lay off of him as being weak when he's a high mid carder if not better.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/26/2010 9:23:14 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | Posted: 1/27/2010 12:19:33 AM | #387
I should point out that I think Ulti's theory makes sense in theory, and is something that I believed, but it seemed to be proved wrong pretty clearly in the last Games Contest. If Ryu H. collapses against M. Chief I would expect it to come more from losing design votes more than anything.


Do I really need to bust out games =/= characters?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:23:25 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #400
Chief isn't a weak character. Really the only stats that would have him below Ryu H are those which still treat Zero as a good match for Auron.

I'm not the one that's stuck in the past here.


Not sure what Auron/Zero has to do with this because Auron would wipe the floor with Chief. Zero doesn't have to be that strong for Hayabusa to beat Chief.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/26/2010 9:23:31 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #404
It is when Ninja Gaiden games apparently have a god awful playrate on gamefaqs if the goty polls are any indication.

Which is why Hayabusa is fodder, oh wait.


he's not fodder because he excels with awesome character design. its why strider was a low mid carder when he had a game nobody had ever even played.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 1/26/2010 9:23:46 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato
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message detail For me to even begin to buy that Ryu Hayabusa would be affected at all by an 'Xbox hierarchy', him and Chief would need to share similar trends.

They don't. ToS characters have the exact same trends as every other Nintendo character. Chief and Ryu aren't even close.


Except it's commonly accepted here that Snake SFF'd Hayabusa in both of their matches.

PS3 hierarchy then?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/26/2010 9:24:30 PM | message detail
I am NOT the one that brought up Mario/Samus.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/26/2010 9:24:54 PM | message detail
Snake SFFd Hayabusa because Hayabusa gets a lot of 'hey, that guy looks cool' votes. 'Badass SFF' or whatever. Snake stole all of them.

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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:24:58 PM | message detail
Except it's commonly accepted here that Snake SFF'd Hayabusa in both of their matches.

PS3 hierarchy then?


Stealthy hero hierarchy. Just like GlaDOS SFFed Fawful with the humorous villain hierarchy. It's everywhere.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:25:01 PM | message detail
he's not fodder because he excels with awesome character design. its why strider was a low mid carder when he had a game nobody had ever even played.

Which helps prove Characters =/= Games.
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Character Battle VIII - 16/22 - Today's Winners: Ryu Hayabusa and Master Chief
ExThaNemesis | Posted 1/26/2010 9:25:19 PM | message detail
Wow are we seriously thinking Ryu H is going to beat Chief?

Alright, then.
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LOLContests | Posted 1/26/2010 9:25:26 PM | message detail
Do I really need to bust out games =/= characters?

But it's the same basic theory. If anything games would fall into a hierarchy better than characters anyway. Do you deny that point?

This is also excluding the fact that a noticeable part of Hayabusa's popularity comes from his design anyway.
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Lopen | Posted 1/26/2010 9:25:55 PM | message detail
I'm saying the only evidence to support Chief being weaker than Ryu H was that one match with Zero from 2k8

By the way I called that match right and I still don't think it's worth the bandwidth it's printed on as it relates to Hayabusa's strength. There were definitely... factors... to support Ryu H there that don't really necessitate being too much stronger than he was in the past.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/26/2010 9:26:07 PM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | #414
Wow are we seriously thinking Ryu H is going to beat Chief?

Alright, then.


its just some people trying desperately to find a way to laugh at Chief. the 85% chief has in the guru shows its a massive longshot.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 1/26/2010 9:26:34 PM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | #414
Wow are we seriously thinking Ryu H is going to beat Chief?

Alright, then.


We're not. Albion is.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:26:39 PM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | #414
Wow are we seriously thinking Ryu H is going to beat Chief?

Alright, then.


How's your bracket doing, ExTha!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/26/2010 9:26:48 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #418
We're not. Albion is.


uhhhh
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/26/2010 9:26:53 PM | message detail
And meanwhile, during all this commotion, Ryu H continues to steadily inch his way up.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/26/2010 9:26:59 PM | message detail
Oh god, Chief has bracket support? That's never happened before! He's unstoppable!

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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:27:02 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #417
its just some people trying desperately to find a way to laugh at Chief. the 85% chief has in the guru shows its a massive longshot.


Yeah, because Chief's never lost as a massive Guru favorite before!
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:27:27 PM | message detail
Yeah, all of this is about whether or not Hayabusa is stronger than the Chief. I still stand by that if the Chief wins it will be because he's stronger.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 1/26/2010 9:27:41 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #343
I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm, but people denying the Xbox hierarchy have flat-out never played Halo or new Ninja Gaiden. This is one of those "look at nothing but past stats, use no common sense" deals.


Pretty much. The Xbox was my main console (I had like 4 games for my PS2 since it got DREs and stuff for a while before I fixed it myself since Sony wanted me to renew the warranty for $200 to fix it LOL). And I had tons of friends who also had an Xbox and was heavily involved in the Halo community (check my only FAQ for proof). Anybody who thinks that Ninja Gaiden and Halo do not share a lot of their fanbase just never had an Xbox. The hierarchy exists for other consoles, and it definitely does for the Xbox.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/26/2010 9:27:55 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #423
Yeah, because Chief's never lost as a massive Guru favorite before!


he lost to a guy who then went on to get over 40% on auron, proving that he actually had some serious strength, not that Chief just massively flopped.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:28:01 PM | message detail
Heck, Hayabusa has 10 times as much support as Sub-Zero did back in 2006!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:28:27 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #426
he lost to a guy who then went on to get over 40% on auron, proving that he actually had some serious strength, not that Chief just massively flopped.


Then say that. Don't bring up Guru stats.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/26/2010 9:28:46 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #424
Yeah, all of this is about whether or not Hayabusa is stronger than the Chief. I still stand by that if the Chief wins it will be because he's stronger.


Even if Ryu H is stronger, Chief still has a great shot to win cuz its a day match. The dude can change 8-10% from night to day vote.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/26/2010 9:29:39 PM | message detail
The only thing the Zero match proves is a very obvious overlap between Nintendo and Mega Man. I thought we decided this ages ago.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:29:41 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3752&region=USXWY

Wyoming unstoppable
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:30:06 PM | message detail
Heck the heirarchy breaks down for Nintendo too.

Mario > Kirby yet Meta Knight defeated Peach for example. Heck Samus' inability to SFF Nintendo characters could mean that her series is technically lower on the heirarchy.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/26/2010 9:31:16 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 1/27/2010 12:30:06 AM | #432
Heck Samus' inability to SFF Nintendo characters could mean that her series is technically lower on the heirarchy.


Very much so. Samus is stronger than characters who series would trounce hers in game polls.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:31:46 PM | message detail
Even if Ryu H is stronger, Chief still has a great shot to win cuz its a day match. The dude can change 8-10% from night to day vote.

Not against Hayabusa. Heck those matches you brought up from last year there's only a 3k difference between night and day. You can't be that confident based on only 3k votes.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:31:53 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #433
Very much so. Samus is stronger than characters who series would trounce hers in game polls.


So what does Halo > Ninja Gaiden prove then exactly?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/26/2010 9:32:02 PM | message detail
Very much so. Samus is stronger than characters who series would trounce hers in game polls.

This is the ONE thing that makes me terrified of Ryu H here.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/26/2010 9:32:07 PM | message detail
Didnt Metroid end up like only 20% on base link in the series contest? I remember it doing quite bad
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/26/2010 9:32:49 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #434
Even if Ryu H is stronger, Chief still has a great shot to win cuz its a day match. The dude can change 8-10% from night to day vote.

Not against Hayabusa. Heck those matches you brought up from last year there's only a 3k difference between night and day. You can't be that confident based on only 3k votes.


The matches I bring up are with characters who would also blow Ryu H away.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:32:53 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #437
Didnt Metroid end up like only 20% on base link in the series contest? I remember it doing quite bad


Yeah, but so did like every other series.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:33:05 PM | message detail
Metal Gear ended up at like 25% on Legend of Zelda. That contest was Zelda, Final Fantasy, Mario, and everything else.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/26/2010 9:33:22 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 1/27/2010 12:32:07 AM | #437
Didnt Metroid end up like only 20% on base link in the series contest? I remember it doing quite bad


It got SFFd. Hard.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2449
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/26/2010 9:33:43 PM | message detail
Metroid ran straight into LoZ, its ranking means nothing (and lol using BL there). Its slim win over Pokemon was considered pretty embarrassing at the time, though. In retrospect, that's the most impressive thing Metroid's ever done in these contests.
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LOLContests | Posted 1/26/2010 9:34:32 PM | message detail
Company hierarchies =/= console hierarchies.

No one has bothered answering my points as to why console hierarchies did not come into play for KOTOR or God of War.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:35:05 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #443
Company hierarchies =/= console hierarchies.

No one has bothered answering my points as to why console hierarchies did not come into play for KOTOR or God of War.


Because the games are multiplatform!

Seriously, that's the only argument I've heard.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:35:21 PM | message detail
The matches I bring up are with characters who would also blow Ryu H away.

If you want to go by percent Chief went from 47% - 51%, that's pretty confident calling one side debatable and not the other, especially with a diluted ASV.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/26/2010 9:37:02 PM | message detail
Hierarchies are overrated. Look at Nintendo. Supposing there is some SFF hierarchy that determines how good you are at SFF apart from strength, how often has it mattered? Mario/Samus alone, out of all the matches between Nintendo characters we've seen.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:37:51 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #446
Hierarchies are overrated. Look at Nintendo. Supposing there is some SFF hierarchy that determines how good you are at SFF apart from strength, how often has it mattered? Mario/Samus alone, out of all the matches between Nintendo characters we've seen.


Not to mention, we've seen hierarchies change within Nintendo.

Before 2006, it was pretty clearly Bowser > Yoshi > Luigi. Now Luigi is on top of that hierarchy.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/26/2010 9:38:33 PM | message detail
And I shouldn't even have to mention Pokemon's shift in that hierarchy.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/26/2010 9:38:52 PM | message detail
I still wanna see Luigi v Yoshi. Something doesn't sit right about that match to me.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/26/2010 9:39:32 PM | message detail
Luigi would crush that match now.
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