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Well, if Zack's Link stats are worthless......

Zack's 73% on Cecil looks really good after Cecil/Knuckles (SFF, I know).
Zack's 65% on Altair also looks really good.
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This Is Silly Factor I like that one.
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Meh, whatever. There are obviously a lot more things at work varying matches in 4-ways than there are in 1-on-1 matches. That's why we get a lot of wacky results.
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From: red sox 777 | #101
Well, if Zack's Link stats are worthless......

Zack's 73% on Cecil looks really good after Cecil/Knuckles (SFF, I know).
Zack's 65% on Altair also looks really good.

So is Duke the favorite over Charizard now?
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Don't trust that Cecil or Altair are consistent from last year to this.

Further 65% on Altair is just an extension of "Link stats." Dude didn't get 65% he got 21%. Zack vs Altair 1v1 I doubt pans out like that.
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Look at how Nightmare compares with Snake and Samus from round 1 to round 2 (Hint: It's a big difference) and how Falco compares with Vincent from round 1 to round 2 (Hint: It's a big difference). Something happened there.

But how does that have anything to do with 1st place characters underperforming? We're talking about the same character in 1st place.


We only have evidence for obvious winners in round 1 underperforming.

Which...makes no sense to me in terms how it proves an overall first place factor.


And just dismissing factors by saying "Well, that's silly, you're going overboard with this stuff!" doesn't disprove anything.

You have to prove complexity, not disprove it.
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But how does that have anything to do with 1st place characters underperforming? We're talking about the same character in 1st place.

And we're talking about a big difference in how one character performed on said 1st place character from round to round. The circumstances are too similar for it to be 3 or 4 coincidences.
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But how does that have anything to do with 1st place characters underperforming? We're talking about the same character in 1st place.

The idea is that in the first round the voters treat the Noble Niner/Vincent/Strong character as the obvious winner, while with stronger competition in round 2, they are no longer so obvious a winner.
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Plus, I think the fact that those matches also have at least one character who is really, really bad fodder seems to be a contributing factor in some way. It happened to Nero in 2008 now that I think about it.
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The idea is that in the first round the voters treat the Noble Niner/Vincent/Strong character as the obvious winner, while with stronger competition in round 2, they are no longer so obvious a winner.

...well that's a hell of a crazy weird idea then. Who would even think of this?

Also 'first place factor' would be a very poor name for this, as it has nothing to do with the hypothesis.
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It should be noted that MMX is much more associated with Link/Mario than MC is with Ganon/Luigi (no green-arguments!), so Zack was in a more favorable position than Yuna...plus he was in a potential bandwagon-position. That said, Zack only did ~4% better than the two rounds before, so it probably didn't matter that much.


Something about calling 18-23% showings impressive doesn't sit well with me.

I can agree about this because of Meta-Knight -- he had shown hope as a respectable character in most of his polls, but he also never had more than 22.61% in a poll before. When he was pit against Luigi (his strongest Nintendo-opponent to date to be fair, but MK had beaten Peach/Wario and gotten 40% on Fox pre-SSBB so there were signs he could hold up fine)...well, MK was nearly doubled.

Zack's in a similar position as MK, except for one glaring flaw in this argument: he had already gotten ~45% in a match despite Cecil before any of his matches with Link, so we've seen he can make a splash when he needs to get a lot of votes. He cleaned Wario out, then put up three fine performances against Link.

My Yuna-pick relies on his fair-weather fans who haven't played CC:FF7 being the majority of his strength (at least one-on-one; in a four-way format with Link and other Square-leads, probably not) and that Yuna is quite a bit stronger in the FF-hierarchy than the likes of Cecil and Zidane. Neither are unreasonable and we've seen Yuna do well one-on-one before, but it's on the off-chance that Zack completely impressing all over 2008 doesn't translate well to standard matches and/or more competitive SFF-matches.


Cid bombing can't hurt this pick either...but that's an unlikely factor to rely upon!
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Obvious First Place Underperformance Factor (OFPUF), aw yeah

But those matches all have something in common: Someone who won the match by a wide, wide margin, a 2nd place character who underperformed big time relative to their round 1 performance, and at least one bad fodder character. I don't know if it has to do with the first place being obvious or just the fact that there's one character who is essentially a non-factor (getting less than 10% overall or close to it) that causes some weirdness because it essentially becomes a 3-way match with 4 characters in it.
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Woah, 40% update for Cid.

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From: KamikazePotato | #113
Woah, 40% update for Cid.

Yep, this is around the time the FF night vote starts.
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Also, Cid's closing in on Mega Man in Europe and the UK. There's a chance he'll end up ahead before it's all over.

Although Mega Man's still winning in Asia. Cid doesn't seem too popular in Asia though. He did really badly in the vote-in poll in Asia.
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...well that's a hell of a crazy weird idea then. Who would even think of this?

Also 'first place factor' would be a very poor name for this, as it has nothing to do with the hypothesis.

It's just something people noticed after seeing a trend among all the Noble Niners last year of disappointing in round 1 and impressing in round 2.

And it makes sense intuitively to me. I'm a huge Link fan. There's really only 2 characters I like more than him. Yet last year, I don't think I cast a single vote for him. I knew he had first locked up, so I voted for Zidane, Zack, Zack, and Zack. Then of course I voted Crono the last 2 matches Link was in.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
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When's the next debated match after Zack/Yuna...?
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From: Fayt_Esteed | #118
When's the next debated match after Zack/Yuna...?

Depending on your definition of "debated," Neku/Laharl.
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Zack's in a similar position as MK, except for one glaring flaw in this argument: he had already gotten ~45% in a match despite Cecil before any of his matches with Link, so we've seen he can make a splash when he needs to get a lot of votes. He cleaned Wario out, then put up three fine performances against Link.

I would agree with this being relevant, but the other three guys in that match were a joke. So while it would potentially give me pause if Zack managed a good performance against three guys worth anything, Wario/Cecil/Jade Curtiss well... aren't worth anything. Yuna would beat them with more, probably winning the match vs all 3 outright, methinks.

Course the heart of my pick greatly depends on SFF going Yuna's way too and the stuff you touched on, but I'm just sayin.
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Laharl has pretty much every advantage going into that match. If he manages to drop it even then...augh.

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Neku should take that one, I would think.

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Neku/Laharl more like 20k total votes.
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From: KamikazePotato | #121
Laharl has pretty much every advantage going into that match. If he manages to drop it even then...augh.

Neku has one big advantage in his corner: He's Square, baby!

Well, that, and he's not going to have an ugly picture.

I may or may not be speaking facetiously here.
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Kaim Argonar was Square, too.

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And so was Ramza, and Laharl probably beats him!

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Don't ever speak that name again, KP
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From: Achromatic | #123
Neku/Laharl more like 20k total votes.

Hey, Laharl managed 20k votes on his own last year! This match should get at least 40k!

Actually, something interesting to me last year is that Neku and Sho had decent day votes, for whatever the reason, something Laharl doesn't have.

...And Prinny does have. Go figure.
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Kaim Argonar was Tha Gooch, which is sort of like Square but not quite!

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Kaim wasn't Square.
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And so was Ramza, and Laharl probably beats him!

*points you to the scoreboard*
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Kaim Argonar more like Lame Arghonoes am I right
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

Kaim isnt Square

He's the redheaded stepchild
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

Kaim one of the best don't mess

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I'm...not sure what that means, honestly.

And from what I'm seeing Neku gradually lost % all day in a match where two of his opponents were KOS-MOS and Frog. Not very inspiring.

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Why are there two Kaim Argonar buffs to correct on this within a minute that's what confounds me

6% created only through HM's word of mouth no doubt. He's not even from a real game it's just a HMyth.
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Need more people to play Lost Odyssey. Best RPG this gen!

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Yeah, maybe that's a bad example. It was a weekend match, too, so...*shrugs*

Sho actually went up with the ASV against Luigi and Roxas though! Go figure that one out. Must be all those Algebra kids coming home from school.
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I'm...not sure what that means, honestly.

And it means more votes, son! Ramza had more votes!*
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW
*What, he cheated?

I wanted to play Lost Odyssey, then I saw Pigmen tier character designs and bailed out of there.
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It's probably just that the newer the game, the better the day vote, all other things being held constant.
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Hey, you managed to get through Disgaea and it doesn't get much worse than those!

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Anyway my main point is that Laharl probably beats Ramza when Ramza isn't being rallystuffed to hell and back, and I would certainly hope that the main character of Final Fantasy Tactics > the main character of TWEWY. I would hope.

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Can't beat demonz
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I would also hope the main character of Final Fantasy Tactics > the main character of Disgaea, so I'm not sure what you're getting at!
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

Square hierarchies, man!

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And I would also hope the main character of Final Fantasy Tactics > some random enemy from World of Warcraft what horrible world do we live in where this kind of thing happens come on now someone
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ARGATH would've beaten that animal.

There's your square hierarchy.
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Final Fantasy Tactics is also now the game that was as close to Deus Ex as it was to Metal Gear Solid.

What in the world happened to you FFT
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From: Lopen | #148
ARGATH would've beaten that animal.

There's your square hierarchy.

Actually, I blame ARGATH and the PSP port for that loss, now that I think about it.
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