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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 801
red sox 777 | Posted 1/25/2010 10:42:28 PM | message detail |
And
those 2 matches make Zack look really impressive- Zack is projected to
46.27% on Vincent. If you assume Crono 2007 = Crono 2008 and Vincent
fell a bit to make the rematch equal, Zack ends up near 48% on Vincent. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/25/2010 10:44:17 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #043 Hmm... if I were going to discredit that Round 2 match, I'd use Zack's huge picture advantage (Link was in ugly kid form). I do think that match is pretty legit as far as 4ways go, but Yuna had some sick performances in the female bracket. Nearly matching Mario's percentage on Joanna Dark, that was impressive. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 10:44:25 PM | message detail |
First Place Factor seems as legitimate to me as Last Place Factor. Look at Nightmare from round 1 to round 2 in 2007 and 2008. Look at Falco from round 1 to round 2 last year. Why did those characters do so much worse when they had no reason to do so? Heck, you could almost say that's what happened with Liquid last year against Luigi. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
Lopen | Posted 1/25/2010 10:44:58 PM | message detail |
I
said that Zack's R2 match last year was more impressive than anything
Yuna ever did. Leon said "Can't use it, it has LFF" to which I called
BS. Why is it impressive, though? Is it just because he didn't get killed by Link? I mean, I look at him beating Wario and Zidane and can't really be too impressed by that. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
red sox 777 | Posted 1/25/2010 10:45:28 PM | message detail |
FPF
actually has a lot of evidence going for it. Something like every Noble
Niner plus Vincent improved on their round 1 competition in round 2
last year. Sonic/Magus/Sandbag is perhaps the clincher (unfortunately
for me)- Sandbag/Magus got 40% in round 1 and Sandbag got 33% in round
2. Using round 1, Alucard looks like he could give Sonic a really close
match. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/25/2010 10:45:58 PM | message detail |
Zack
put up 30% on Link 3 times in a row, once with Zidane sharing a poll.
You have to go back 4 years to find anything good from Yuna, and the
female bracket that year is about as valid as the villain's contest --
meaning the last time Yuna had a legitimate, good match was 39% on
Ganondorf in 2005. It's a tossup match, but saying Yuna passes the eye test above Zack is completely ludicrous. If Zack was a bandwagon, he would have gone up round by round. He stayed constant, so there was no fluke there. If Yuna wins, it's because she's stronger. Has nothing to do with last year being some one-time fluke. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ The wheel of fate is turning. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 1/25/2010 10:46:11 PM | message detail |
As long as we're on the subject of LFF, http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2915 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3300 One of those results looks more impressive. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Lopen | Posted 1/25/2010 10:49:07 PM | message detail |
Actually I think Yuna's R1 match against Vercetti/MC/PaRappa looks more impressive than anything Zack dished out. Something about calling 18-23% showings impressive doesn't sit well with me. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 10:49:30 PM | message detail |
Also,
looking at the Games Contest for potential FPF: Mario World/Final
Fantasy, FFIV/Mega Man 3, FFVII/MK64 (Maybe, I'm not sold on that one).
I dunno. There's got to be reasons for huge disparities. The thing you
can look at with all of these matches is that the top 2 characters were
by far the two strongest and at least one of the entries was BAD BAD
fodder. I don't know how that affects the match, but they all seem to
have that in common. Nightmare in 2007: Snake/Nightmare/Vyse/Rayman Nightmare in 2008: Samus/Nightmare/Crash/Raz Falco: Vincent/Falco/GlaDOS/Wander Liquid: Luigi/Liquid/Roxas/Sho --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
KamikazePotato | Posted 1/25/2010 10:49:49 PM | message detail |
Yuna got destroyed in that match. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 10:51:24 PM | message detail |
You
have to go back 4 years to find anything good from Yuna, and the female
bracket that year is about as valid as the villain's contest And in both instances, the only illegitimate things about them are at the end: Bowser/Ganon/Sephiroth and Samus/Tifa/Zelda. Yuna's performance on Zelda was legit. I see no reason to doubt it. Yuna's 60% on Chun-Li was legit. I see no reason to doubt it. Maybe 60% on Chun-Li doesn't look that great, but I dunno. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 10:51:47 PM | message detail |
Yeah, but that was the Master Chief that lost to Snake by 2000 votes. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
KamikazePotato | Posted 1/25/2010 10:52:08 PM | message detail |
The entire Female Bracket is bogus. Every single heavy hitter in that bracket overperformed in nearly all of their matches. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Lopen | Posted 1/25/2010 10:52:24 PM | message detail |
She still got like 30%, which is 7% better than 23% assuming my mathematics degree still works --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 10:52:48 PM | message detail |
It's a tossup match, but saying Yuna passes the eye test above Zack is completely ludicrous. No one's really arguing this. I don't deny Zack's looked better. I just think people sell Yuna short like they sell Rikku short. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
KamikazePotato | Posted 1/25/2010 10:53:00 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #062 No, it wasn't, as MC had a very clear bandwagon going that entire contest. Look at his R2 match vs. Yuna compared to his R1 match. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 10:53:05 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #063 So Zelda overperformed on Yuna? Great! --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
KamikazePotato | Posted 1/25/2010 10:53:37 PM | message detail |
From: Lopen | #064 30% against Master Chief, Tommy Vercetti, and PaRappa The Rapper. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/25/2010 10:53:43 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #066 The first round match was also before Halo 3 released; every other match was post Halo 3. --- http://i48.tinypic.com/24ytvz8.png Albion Hero is the Cream of Loli Fanboyism |
red sox 777 | Posted 1/25/2010 10:54:16 PM | message detail |
It's
not losing to Chief that's embarassing there, it's losing so badly to
Ganondorf and Luigi despite them LFFing each other. Link and Mario are
a long way above Ganondorf and Luigi. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 10:55:21 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #070 Do you think Zack takes 2nd place there? And Zack only ends up looking good relative to Mario because Link is so much stronger than Mario. Ganondorf and Luigi essentially split 50/50 while Link hits Mario pretty good. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
Lopen | Posted 1/25/2010 10:55:47 PM | message detail |
I can do this too 23% against Link, Zidane, and Wario. Or 21% against Link, Altair, and Duke Nukem. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 1/25/2010 10:56:58 PM | message detail |
No, you can't. All of those characters are a hell of a lot more impressive than Vercetti and PaRappa. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 1/25/2010 10:57:27 PM | message detail |
I KNEW THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE WRONG ABOUT CID BREAKING 40%, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE THE GUTS TO STAND FOR THAT. ARGH!!! As for Zack/Yuna, I will argue that Zack getting close to LFFd Mario is better than anything that Yuna has managed...then again, isn't Yuna on Mario's level according to a certain common opponent? (no freakin way!!!) |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 10:57:39 PM | message detail |
And you want to know why I honestly took Yuna > Zack? I wasn't convinced Zack > Aerith, and Yuna = Aerith. If he is (and I'd say the odds of Zack > Aerith are much greater than not), then he'll win just fine. This is really the ONLY thing that determines the outcome of this match: Is Zack stronger than Aerith? --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
red sox 777 | Posted 1/25/2010 10:58:24 PM | message detail |
SFF'd
Mario is still a long way above LFF'd Ganondorf. It's not like Link
killed him or anything- there were a few points of SFF at most and if I
were to guess, none, only LFF. That Yuna match has always been for me one of the best arguments for Last Place Factor, and I give her that excuse, definitely. At the same time, Zack didn't get Last Place Factored against Link, Mario, and MMX, which suggests something. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
Lopen | Posted 1/25/2010 10:58:33 PM | message detail |
Pretty sure Vercetti beats SFFed Wario and Zidane pretty decisively. Pretty sure Vercetti vs Duke would be a debatable match too. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
ZFS | Posted 1/25/2010 10:59:36 PM | message detail |
Zack
was more impressive to me last year than Yuna has been in recent times,
but it shouldn't be hard to find something that looks more impressive
for Yuna because she's been in the contest a whole lot longer. Zack
didn't get a real chance to beat down bad fodder, or show how good he
is at blowing out weak competition because he was stuck with Link the
whole way. The match with Link/Mario/MMX, though, was definitely far
more convincing, even in a loss, than anything Yuna has done. --- wheresoever you go, go with all your heart |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/25/2010 10:59:42 PM | message detail |
From: LinkMarioSamus | #074 wait a sec you actually read what other people said? I thought you were oblivious to everything else in your own little world --- http://i48.tinypic.com/24ytvz8.png Albion Hero is the Cream of Loli Fanboyism |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 10:59:49 PM | message detail |
That Yuna match has always been for me one of the best arguments for Last Place Factor, and I give her that excuse, definitely. I think you could also argue a "Close match factor." Maybe Ganon and Luigi overperform and Yuna gets neglected because they're having a close match for 2nd, and maybe that's what happened with Magus/Sandbag. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
Achromatic | Posted 1/25/2010 11:00:03 PM | message detail |
I think Aerith is stronger than Yuna but <_< --- SK Mason? No way is a host that stupid. Sir Chris |
KamikazePotato | Posted 1/25/2010 11:00:27 PM | message detail |
GTA
has been in a freefall for a long time. Vercetti is most likely a good
bit weaker than when we last saw him - I mean, he wasn't even able to
make the vote-in polls. Also, Link is in that group as well. You may have heard of him. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 11:00:51 PM | message detail |
From: Achromatic | #081 Zelda in 2006 says they're the same. But I expect to hear "LOL FEMALE BRACKET SUCKS DOESN'T COUNT" any second now. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/25/2010 11:01:13 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #080 seriously? we have a CMF now? --- http://i48.tinypic.com/24ytvz8.png Albion Hero is the Cream of Loli Fanboyism |
creativename | Posted 1/25/2010 11:01:51 PM | message detail |
Look
at Nightmare from round 1 to round 2 in 2007 and 2008. Look at Falco
from round 1 to round 2 last year. Why did those characters do so much
worse when they had no reason to do so? Heck, you could almost say
that's what happened with Liquid last year against Luigi. What does this have to do with first place factor...? FPF actually has a lot of evidence going for it. Something like every Noble Niner plus Vincent improved on their round 1 competition in round 2 last year. Sonic/Magus/Sandbag is perhaps the clincher (unfortunately for me)- Sandbag/Magus got 40% in round 1 and Sandbag got 33% in round 2. Using round 1, Alucard looks like he could give Sonic a really close match. I'm not really sure what you mean. Do you mean "first place in round 1 only factor" or something? Because I'm not following what this has to do with first place characters underperforming. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 11:01:59 PM | message detail |
Not
necessarily, but I don't know why people wouldn't think of it as a
possibility. Are people more likely to vote for a character who's
having a close match or one who's in last place and not in contention? --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
red sox 777 | Posted 1/25/2010 11:02:23 PM | message detail |
Cid's
made no progress at all this past hour. He's still losing Europe and
Asia, including the UK and Phillipines, making me wonder if we're going
to see the FFVII Total Domination Zone in action tonight at all. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
Achromatic | Posted 1/25/2010 11:02:30 PM | message detail |
I think people vote their favorite without checking the results first. I am weird like that. --- SK Mason? No way is a host that stupid. Sir Chris |
Lopen | Posted 1/25/2010 11:03:01 PM | message detail |
Well
I'm not saying Link's group is not the stronger one, I was just noting
the irony in your statement because 2/3 of Zack's OMG SO GOOD matches
have sub Vercetti entrants in them. I'm just saying it doesn't really matter whose group is stronger. I see only 23%. Guy needs more than looking good vs Link to convince me. Don't know why no one's learned after 2k3 Magus --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 11:03:15 PM | message detail |
Look
at Nightmare from round 1 to round 2 in 2007 and 2008. Look at Falco
from round 1 to round 2 last year. Why did those characters do so much
worse when they had no reason to do so? Heck, you could almost say
that's what happened with Liquid last year against Luigi. What does this have to do with first place factor...? Look at how Nightmare compares with Snake and Samus from round 1 to round 2 (Hint: It's a big difference) and how Falco compares with Vincent from round 1 to round 2 (Hint: It's a big difference). Something happened there. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
ZFS | Posted 1/25/2010 11:03:42 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
these factors are pretty silly. You can make a factor for pretty much
everything if you wanted to. At some point, you just gotta realize what
you're saying! --- wheresoever you go, go with all your heart |
KamikazePotato | Posted 1/25/2010 11:03:42 PM | message detail |
Man,
can't you Yuna backers just say you picked her on a gut feeling and be
done with it? That to me is a hell of a lot better logic than anything
that's been said so far in this topic. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 11:04:04 PM | message detail |
From: Achromatic | #088 Eh, it's hard to deny rallying and stuff in close matches exists. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
red sox 777 | Posted 1/25/2010 11:04:25 PM | message detail |
I'm
not really sure what you mean. Do you mean "first place in round 1 only
factor" or something? Because I'm not following what this has to do
with first place characters underperforming. We only have evidence for obvious winners in round 1 underperforming. I don't really believe it happened with Zack's matches against Link in round 2 and round 3; it's just something I'm not 100% confident in rejecting. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 11:04:37 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #092 Did you skip post 75 or something? --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
KamikazePotato | Posted 1/25/2010 11:05:24 PM | message detail |
You kept talking after that, obviously not following the 'be done with it' portion of my statement! --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 11:05:47 PM | message detail |
And just dismissing factors by saying "Well, that's silly, you're going overboard with this stuff!" doesn't disprove anything. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
Lopen | Posted 1/25/2010 11:05:57 PM | message detail |
Well I make all of my picks off of gut, but I don't discard the stats when using it. I'm just saying there is ample evidence out there to suggest that Zack's Link stats might not be worth the bandwidth they're printed on. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/25/2010 11:06:05 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #096 Why be done with it? We wouldn't be posting right now. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
ZFS | Posted 1/25/2010 11:06:39 PM | message detail |
And just dismissing factors by saying "Well, that's silly, you're going overboard with this stuff!" doesn't disprove anything. Sure it does. It's the TISF at play here! --- wheresoever you go, go with all your heart |
