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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 796

red sox 777 | Posted 1/23/2010 12:02:10 PM | message detail
I think his chances of losing are as high as 2/7! The logic being that in 2003 and 2007 he was just as favored to win, if not more so, and lost.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 1/23/2010 12:03:50 PM | message detail
This is pathetic. I should have called this happening since anytime I have a CHANCE to get on the leaderboard (I probably would have been top 200 after today) I lose a match.

Indeed. We just got rocked hardcore. The casuals really nailed us on this one.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/23/2010 12:04:29 PM | message detail
this'll be the 2nd time the casuals have rocked the board with altair. i hope people will learn by next contest
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/23/2010 12:14:26 PM | message detail
http://thengamer.com/guru/stats.php?match=16

I don't understand why you are all acting like this is some huge suprise and the "casuals owned us"

only 60% of the guru had liquid. its not like a foregone conclusion.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/23/2010 12:16:40 PM | message detail
If you assume 60% of all brackets had Altair, that's still a huge shift. Anyone remember how well casuals predicted Altair>Lucario last year?
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 1/23/2010 12:17:10 PM | message detail
This is retarded. Why on earth does Altair beat Liquid but Nathan Drake jobs to The Boss. Those 2 matches should have either went one way or the other, not both. Oh well, at least I got today's right.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/23/2010 12:18:10 PM | message detail

From: Wii_TuRtLe | #406
This is retarded. Why on earth does Altair beat Liquid but Nathan Drake jobs to The Boss. Those 2 matches should have either went one way or the other, not both. Oh well, at least I got today's right.


Altair is on a game on both systems, Drake is PS3 only. All it shows is that PS3 only support is still weak
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/23/2010 12:18:15 PM | message detail
The Boss would armbar all three of them at once.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/23/2010 12:18:20 PM | message detail
I don't understand why you are all acting like this is some huge suprise and the "casuals owned us"

only 60% of the guru had liquid. its not like a foregone conclusion.


Only 60% of the Guru had Liquid? In that case, the casuals owned Board 8, and Board 8 owned the stats topic.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 1/23/2010 12:18:39 PM | message detail
Maybe it's because Liquid hasn't been in a game since the original Metal Gear Solid and Altair has had far more exposure than someone like Drake?

Shocking, I know.
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TheOceIot | Posted 1/23/2010 12:18:54 PM | message detail
Assassin's Creed is multiplatform and far more popular than Uncharted. Picking The Boss and Altair to win was easy.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 1/23/2010 12:19:48 PM | message detail
On the plus side, all the people who took Simon Belmont are looking pretty dumb right now.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/23/2010 12:20:53 PM | message detail
Although looking at the pickers for Altair, the only stat topic regulars who picked Altair were..

Ngamer
Ulti
Albion
Luster
Kleenex


Man Ulti is gonna be loud once he appears
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/23/2010 12:21:40 PM | message detail
Altair also has the much more appealing look. Heck, even his name is a lot cooler (I bet you if Altair was called Al Smith, Liquid would be in this thing!). It's not like Drake would match this if his game was multiplatform.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 1/23/2010 12:21:51 PM | message detail
You can add me to that list n_n
red sox 777 | Posted 1/23/2010 12:21:57 PM | message detail
5 is more than I thought there were. Well, I guess no one was very vocal about it then. By the way Albion, did you end up going with Soap?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/23/2010 12:22:32 PM | message detail
Maybe it's because Liquid hasn't been in a game since the original Metal Gear Solid

You would be wrong about that, technically.

This wouldn't explain the loss though. I mean, there are plenty of elite characters that haven't been in a game in a LONG time and would still beat Altair.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/23/2010 12:22:44 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #416
5 is more than I thought there were. Well, I guess no one was very vocal about it then. By the way Albion, did you end up going with Soap?


I changed it last moment cuz I was worried about Bioshock 2 coming out about the time of the match. Kinda wish I stayed with soap, though
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LOLContests | Posted 1/23/2010 12:23:06 PM | message detail
I picked Altair in my bracket!

Although not in the Oracle or my Guest Analysis. It should still count though!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/23/2010 12:23:23 PM | message detail
aww yea 63% update for altair

here comes the ADCV
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 1/23/2010 12:23:34 PM | message detail
ugh why did i take vivi over altair
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 1/23/2010 12:23:35 PM | message detail
It's weird because the line of thinking that gives you Altair > Liquid also gives you Drake > The Boss. I'm curious to see how many people got both matches right. I doubt there's that many of them.
ZFS | Posted 1/23/2010 12:23:52 PM | message detail
It's not like Drake would match this if his game was multiplatform.

I don't think he'd be too far off, honestly. He would have beaten The Boss with no problems if his game was on the 360 as well.

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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 1/23/2010 12:24:53 PM | message detail
5 is more than I thought there were. Well, I guess no one was very vocal about it then. By the way Albion, did you end up going with Soap?

Noone was very vocal about it because it was a crapshoot really, like the majority of this bracket. We haven't had reliable stats since 2006, and it's starting to show.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/23/2010 12:25:33 PM | message detail
I wasn't too vocal about it because it could go either way, but I just prefer Altair so I went with him >_> Thats how I typically pick the toss ups
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/23/2010 12:25:45 PM | message detail
But there were plenty of vocal people on the other side! All the discussion was about Liquid/Vivi, not Liquid/Altair.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/23/2010 12:26:49 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #423
It's not like Drake would match this if his game was multiplatform.

I don't think he'd be too far off, honestly. He would have beaten The Boss with no problems if his game was on the 360 as well.


Yeah, but Liquid should still be a clear notch or two ahead of Boss, and Altair is headed for 59% on him right now. I think it's very difficult for a guy like Drake to match someone like Altair in this setting; the latter is simply a far more appealing choice in a contest setting.

Speaking of MGS, though, I'm now really pulling for Boss to beat Cube. If she pulls it off, Snake will HAVE TO beat Sephiroth if he wants to be the most impressive MGS character this year. I want to see Boss carry that flag!
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 1/23/2010 12:27:52 PM | message detail
I don't remember seeing much discussion on this match, and it surprises me that anyone thought Liquid would be a threat to Vivi. I thought Vivi walking away with this fourpack was a foregone conclusion.

I think a lot of people were expecting MGS characters to maintain their MGS4 levels, which is clearly not going to happen. I wish Snake was matched up against Samus this year just to see Board 8 crash and burn when she won. The Snake > Seph people are crazy.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/23/2010 12:28:46 PM | message detail

From: Wii_TuRtLe | #428
I don't remember seeing much discussion on this match, and it surprises me that anyone thought Liquid would be a threat to Vivi. I thought Vivi walking away with this fourpack was a foregone conclusion.

I think a lot of people were expecting MGS characters to maintain their MGS4 levels, which is clearly not going to happen. I wish Snake was matched up against Samus this year just to see Board 8 crash and burn when she won. The Snake > Seph people are crazy.


Do you think Vivi is still walking away with the fourpack?
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 1/23/2010 12:29:37 PM | message detail
Not anymore. This is actually really impressive for Altair. Either Liquid has gone down the ****ter, or Altair and Vivi are looking to have a potentially awesome match.
ZFS | Posted 1/23/2010 12:30:12 PM | message detail
Yeah, I don't think Drake could have matched this same percentage on Liquid if his game was multiplatform. I do think he would have beaten The Boss in the same sort of manner we're seeing today, though. Altair would still be stronger just because his design is much more appealing, but Drake would be a lot stronger than he is now.

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SonicRaptor | Posted 1/23/2010 12:31:03 PM | message detail
I think it's more Altair has been boosted big by AC2. Even some of the big critics of AC1 were won over by AC2.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 1/23/2010 12:36:37 PM | message detail
Dude Liquid, you're letting him almost get 60% on you...why...
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/23/2010 12:39:00 PM | message detail
Based on the vote-in poll, Altair is currently projected to get 47.71% on Kirby.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/23/2010 12:40:47 PM | message detail
Looks like I was wrong about the AC2 boost theory as well. I didn't think Altair would get much of anything because that game seemed completely overlooked this year. I saw more L4D2 discussion on the board.

You know what, I'm blaming the L4D2 fans for this.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/23/2010 12:41:05 PM | message detail
(all will be forgiven if Ellis beats Pikachu)
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/23/2010 12:42:18 PM | message detail
I had Ellis over Shepard until the last day, when I checked the BOP and saw that Shepard was up 55-3.....with myself being one of the 3. I have no clue really who will win that match and just went with the B8 consensus which is usually right.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/23/2010 12:45:10 PM | message detail
Anyone remember how well casuals predicted Altair>Lucario last year?

ORDER MATTERS?!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/23/2010 12:47:02 PM | message detail
L4D has a core group of fanatical fans, but that group is very small. Also, there are eight main characters spread across two games, whereas Shep now has two big games under his belt. An Ellis win would surprise me more than anything we've seen so far because it would defy practically all explanation.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/23/2010 12:47:26 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #437
I had Ellis over Shepard until the last day, when I checked the BOP and saw that Shepard was up 55-3.....with myself being one of the 3. I have no clue really who will win that match and just went with the B8 consensus which is usually right.


Mainly due to Mass Effect 2 coming out in a week, and this being more of an RPG site then a FPS site.
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voltch | Posted 1/23/2010 12:50:52 PM | message detail
on the whole drake would do better if his game was on the 360, does anyone think the game itself would have gotten the hype and acclaim had it been multiplatform?
I mean the game sorta seemed bill as something that couldn't be done on the 360, so I dunno, the hype might have been diluted had it been multiplatform.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/23/2010 12:55:38 PM | message detail

From: voltch | #441
on the whole drake would do better if his game was on the 360, does anyone think the game itself would have gotten the hype and acclaim had it been multiplatform?
I mean the game sorta seemed bill as something that couldn't be done on the 360, so I dunno, the hype might have been diluted had it been multiplatform.


You can make that argument, but eh, it'll spiral into something that's pointless to discuss even by our standards.

Random question: What do you think L-Block's board vote will look like relative to his final percentage? I think he might honestly lose it.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/23/2010 12:56:27 PM | message detail
It's worth noting Rikku had a favorable match against Kirby and Altair against Liquid (and Frog was in the poll if you think that matters for Rikku), so that doesn't worry me. What worries me is if Liquid in R1 in 2008 should legitimately get ~45% on Luigi, especially if Luigi > Kirby is still true...but that one's not too likely at this point, right? ...right?

I figure as long as Rikku/Vivi are close and Altair doesn't beat Vivi similarly, Kirby still goes to the division final. I thought Vivi/Liquid would be close before, well, today, but I'm also skeptical of this being all Altair boosting. He's clearly gained a lot though -- he lost to Duke twice who lost to Marth in 2008, and now he's embarrassing Liquid who got ~45% on Luigi. It's all but certain he's going to easily outdo DK against Vivi, too, and since DK beat Marth pretty easily in 2007 this is a good respectable character in our contests now.

I figure Altair > Vivi should be the fave at this point, but this is a hard match to read well.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/23/2010 12:58:42 PM | message detail
Actually, looking at my stats last year, they predict Vivi/DK to be a 59/41 match, so they weren't horribly off. Altair and DK are practically equals in my stats that year, too. Heck, they even project Alucard to beat Magus with 58.67% (only .15% off!). I wish I had used them for my Oracle there! Of course, my stats also projected Knuckles doubling Cecil, so you can't win 'em all!

Also, if Altair hasn't boosted at all, Ocelot = Liquid Snake in last year's stats, oddly enough. But I think it's pretty obvious he has had a decent boost. Still, I guess all I'm trying to say is that Vivi can still win this one. We just need to stop looking at Liquid's first round performance on Weegi as legit 'cause this match basically proves it ain't.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/23/2010 1:01:13 PM | message detail
And keep in mind that Yuna got 55.49% on Alucard in 2007 (who was essentially Liquid's equal based on round 1). Depending on what you think about the relationship between Yuna and Vivi, I guess you could say that one's still up in the air.
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paulg235 | Posted 1/23/2010 1:02:54 PM | message detail
I'm taking this match's explaination for Altair doing well as one of two reasons.

1. Altair has become stronger thanks to AC2
OR
2. Liquid Snake bombing a la Alucard.

We'll have to wait until the Vivi match to know which depending on how Altair plays his cards.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 1/23/2010 1:03:27 PM | message detail
LOL why did I not bank on Altair this go around...damn my bias towards MGS! Well there goes my bracket haha.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 1/23/2010 1:05:37 PM | message detail
Hey, I argued in a couple of stats topics about Altair > Liquid! Although, I chose all 2 seeds in the debatable matches (Altair, Ezio, Drake), and whenever I argued for Altair, the discussion usually led to the Drake/Boss match (I was very vocal about Drake winning that one).

I even said weeks ago about AC2 boosting Altair and most of you thinking I was crazy because he never showed up in it.
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 1/23/2010 3:04:29 PM | #403
this'll be the 2nd time the casuals have rocked the board with altair.


I picked Altair.

Want to know two people who didn't?

From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/9/2010 1:30:31 PM | #023
I can't wait for Liquid to shut everyone up about this match.


From: SvenGeorgeson | Posted: 1/11/2010 6:16:36 PM | #006
Nah, Ulti's comment solidified me putting Liquid down. Thanks!


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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/23/2010 1:06:54 PM | message detail
it's still weird to be boosted in a game where your name is just mentioned. WHY OCELOT WHY
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