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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 788
voltch | Posted 1/20/2010 2:11:41 PM | message detail |
We
all know that come KHIII Sora will reach the peak age for a square
lead, wait he's 14 in KHII, the best age for an FF guy is 18-21, if we
get a teenage sora, without radically changing his attitude, I could
see Sora becoming something of a monster in the future. --- Shakes Fist! |
Lightslayer987 | Posted 1/20/2010 2:14:52 PM | message detail |
And imagine Kairi in KH3. She might be 18-21 too, and be a total babe --- http://i48.tinypic.com/24ytvz8.png Albion Hero is the Cream of Loli Fanboyism |
voltch | Posted 1/20/2010 2:16:26 PM | message detail |
w/e
who cares about kairi at 18, she won't be jailbait, just level up
selphie, she meets squall and boom selphie becomes the 2nd FFVIII
character in the contests ahead of Seifer and Zell. --- Shakes Fist! |
Kotetsu534 | Posted 1/20/2010 2:18:03 PM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2552 Back in 06 he lost 55-45 to MM. It's not unthinkable he could be closer than that today. --- Currently Playing: Final Fantasy Tactics, Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy IX |
AsurasKordoth | Posted 1/20/2010 2:20:42 PM | message detail |
Kind of funny because Sora is a pretty boring hero archetype and most KH fans prefer Riku or Roxas to him. --- ~AK~ // Merc |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 2:22:38 PM | message detail |
If
Sonic beats Ganondorf and Kirby in close matches, even if he wins, the
Noble Nine will lose a lot of its prestige. Being a Noble Niner will no
longer be sufficient to make you the favorite over any non-Noble Niner,
which is how it has always been here, even when the stats suggested the
Noble Niner would lose. This is true. Even this year, we basically gave the Noble Nine auto-respect. The amount of people taking Ganon or Kirby over Sonic this year was surprisingly low, at least to me. But next year, you better believe that everyone and their mama is gonna be looking for that character who's gonna beat Sonic if he survives this year. From: voltch | #403 Selphie the #2 FFVIII character? Do not want. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
Lopen | Posted 1/20/2010 2:24:18 PM | message detail |
Man if Sora is 18 in KH3 and KH3 is well received I will take him to win the contest. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
AsurasKordoth | Posted 1/20/2010 2:25:34 PM | message detail |
Did
you know that you could look up Selphie's skirt in KH1? I learned this
disturbing fact when searching "KH cheats" many years ago. --- ~AK~ // Merc |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 2:26:19 PM | message detail |
I'll just file that one under "Things I never wanted to know." Now Albion might be interested since she's a loli in KH1. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
voltch | Posted 1/20/2010 2:32:44 PM | message detail |
I
just want Zell to be in a contest already, we know Squall is strong and
since male characters are usually yet not always the strongest
characters in a game, it's between Zell and Seifer for number 2 and
Zell didn't get the radical eminem treatment so go Zell! --- His match pic should be a hotdog. |
Lightslayer987 | Posted 1/20/2010 2:33:34 PM | message detail |
might be interested? I found this out the first time I played KH over 5 years ago! --- http://i48.tinypic.com/24ytvz8.png Albion Hero is the Cream of Loli Fanboyism |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/20/2010 2:36:30 PM | message detail |
From: TsunamiXXVIII | Posted: 1/20/2010 4:48:20 PM | #376 All I'm seeing here is a lot of "Waah". --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ "Every man lives. Not every man truly dies." |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/20/2010 2:39:20 PM | message detail |
The Noble Nine has never been broken in 1v1 (likely will be this year, Sonic is toast). It's a winning streak, not a stat. This is common sense stuff that was explained to you multiple times. Even a Sonic fan should be able to understand this. Stop crying. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone has one and no one thinks theirs stinks." -Lunar 2 |
voltch | Posted 1/20/2010 2:42:04 PM | message detail |
I
ended up thinking the noble nine was our version of undertaker's
wrestlemania streak, seriously, once someone told me how a lot of terms
came from wrestling I ended up drawing waaay too many parallels, right
down to ceejus being Vince McMahon. --- Shakes Fist! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 2:46:07 PM | message detail |
From: voltch | #414 So I guess Mario is HBK and Crono is Bret Hart then! From: voltch | #410 Don't forget Laguna! And you guys better be prepared to nominate an FFVIII character when the #1 Guru wins! --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/20/2010 2:49:13 PM | message detail |
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 1/20/2010 5:05:38 PM | #392 Funniest thing of all is Cecil might have won were this a night match. I'm sorry I ever doubted your pre-contest condemnation of Sonic Team, I figured 1v1 they'd stop sucking so much in these. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ Don't you think my eyebrows rock? |
red sox 777 | Posted 1/20/2010 2:51:54 PM | message detail |
I still say we need more OOT characters. Especially Sheik. Sheik could beat Zelda straight up. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 2:54:05 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #417 Sheik is the ONLY other OoT character we need, if she's even eligible. Someone should submit a Sheik picture and see if it gets accepted. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/20/2010 2:55:34 PM | message detail |
LOL I'll get right on that, gimme a sec. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ Truly, if there is a god of destiny, he is fond of plot twists. |
TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 1/20/2010 2:57:24 PM | message detail |
I'm
not sure why you're getting the impression I meant that about Crono.
I'm just saying that my understanding of the origins of the Noble Nine
was the fact that they were the Elite Eight from 2003 + Crono. No, that was just a coincidence. Although the fact that we haven't seen eight Noble Niners in the Elite Eight more often says something about the quality of the bracket-making. A review: 2002: This was the first contest, and so the seeding was extremely screwed up. The seeds were even more meaningless than usual that year. We still had 7 in the Elite Eight. Oddly, both of the ones that were eliminated a round early were in the same region... 2003: The year that all eight Elite Eight spots went to Noble Niners. 2004: My apologies for the inference of bad bracket-making: 2004 was perfectly seeded, with all four 1-seeds and all four 2-seeds going to Noble Niners, along with a 3-seed for Crono that was completely an excuse to have Mario vs. Crono in the Sweet 16, before anyone else could mess things up. There were a lot of shoddy things about the 2004 bracket-making (which seemed designed for a lot of SFF-laden matches in Round 2), but the placement of the Noble Nine wasn't one of them. 2005-2006: By 2005, the elite subset known as "Clinkeroth" had been removed from the main bracket, leaving just 6 Noble Niners in there. All six made the Elite Eight in 2005, and the other two are among those that have never lost to a non-Niner. 2006 had a gimmicky split bracket, half male and half female, and again, the Elite Eight came out just fine, with all four remaining male Noble Niners making the Elite Eight and even the female side coming up...okay, anyway. Even with no Noble Niners in the female bracket, Samus's last two matches before the finals were both close, and were against characters who have never lost to a non-Niner. 2007: While L-Block certainly made things interesting, it should be pointed out that after knocking Sonic out in Round 4, the duo that joined L and Snake for round 5 were both non-Niners--Divisions 5 and 6 were devoid of Noble Niners, and 7 and 8 only had one apiece, leaving 7 in the top half of the bracket, along with many of the higher midcarders (Auron, Bowser, Vincent, Zelda, Yoshi, Ryu, Magus, and Zero were all in Divisions 1-4 as well). Horribly lopsided bracket; the fact that only five NNers made the Elite Eight is overshadowed by the fact that there were a maximum of six. Also, if Vincent hadn't "broken" the Noble Nine in round 3, we would have had a round 4 fourpack comprised entirely of Noble Niners. That is wrong! 2008: Well, it's actually not that bad. Division 7 was without a Noble Niner, but Division 8 had two, so an all-NN Elite Eight was theoretically possible. Only Kirby's upset of Sonic kept it from happening. Again, there were some other decisions I question (like putting two FFVII characters in the same opening fourpack--in between Tifa's treatment here and Zelda being placed in the same half-division as Link in '07 and the same opening fourpack as Vincent, with Mario set to join up in round 2, in '08, I'm starting to wonder if there isn't some gender bias involved trying to keep any of the female midcarders from going on a run), but as for splitting up the heavy hitters, it was well-done. (Also: Mega Man got LFFed by Zero! For crying out loud, split up characters from the same franchise!) 2010: And here we go again. I understand that the seeds were handed out based on nominations, and so only 7 of the 8 1-seeds ended up being Noble Niners, but couldn't you have played around with it so the Heart Division ended up with one of the other two Niners in it? Worse, because Crono ended up with a 4-seed, he ends up in the same half-division as another Noble Niner (in this case, Sephiroth), so not only can we only have a maximum of 7 in the Elite Eight, we're guaranteed a maximum of 8 in the Sweet 16! Stupid, stupid bracketmaking! |
TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 1/20/2010 2:57:35 PM | message detail |
...And
the counterargument to my proposition that either Mega or Crono should
have been put into the Heart Division is that the 1-seed really should
be the favorite. Okay, fair enough...but do you really think Sora's the
favorite in that division? Because with two new games, one in his usual
villainous role and one in a rare heroic role, I'm going to have to say
that Bowser is the favorite for that division. Bowser is...also a
4-seed. Is having Bowser in that spot really any fairer to Sora than
having Crono there would be? Maybe a little, but not much. But even this is secondary to the incredible strength of the Jenova Division. Sephiroth must have the toughest SOS out there. Round 1: Marth. Easy enough, but technically speaking, probably the strongest of the eight 16-seeds, as he's the only one that has won a match before (although Midna advanced out of the first round in second place in both 2007 and 2008, so she has a case for that title). Round 2 (projected): Vincent Valentine. How did he end up with an 8-seed, anyway? And forget about Sephiroth; doesn't Vincent deserve better than to get the ass end of SFF in the second round? Round 3: Potentially Crono, a fellow member of the Noble Nine. And if not, then it would be someone with the strength to break the Noble Nine. Which, considering Yoshi's past performances, is actually semi-plausible, though Crono's still the favorite. Round 4: Projected to either be Tifa Lockhart or Gordon Freeman. Either way, still easier than Crono/Yoshi. Maybe. Tifa has proven that she's a Noble Nine threat (but has also proven that she's on the losing end of the SFF against Sephiroth--but still managed to advance one round behind him), and Gordon enters the contest with huge momentum thanks to his GameSpot contest win and the fact that GFNW is a thing of the distant past. Round 5: Solid Snake. Personally, I think that's as far as it goes. Snake has showed monstrous improvement in recent years, and it makes a lot of sense--ever since he appeared in Brawl, he now has multiple fanbase appeal, and that's a hard thing to fight against. I actually did a hypothetical "What if we were still doing 4-way" bracket using the same arrangement as the actual bracket, and Snake came out as the winner. Follow my logic: In 2008, when faced with the trio of Link, Mario, and Samus in the semis, Crono was able to advance to the finals in second place, behind Link and ahead of Mario and Samus. As a Square RPG character, Crono has no real overlap with the other three and therefore would be unlikely to either give or receive SFF/LFF, but Chrono Trigger was an SNES game, so anti-Nintendo's really didn't have any options. Snake, on the other hand, has an established fanbase outside of the Nintendo systems and stands out as the lone non-Nintendo choice, but thanks to Brawl, he could also potentially cut ever so slightly into the other three's fanbase. Result: Snake could narrowly pull the upset of Link with Mario and Samus as the other two finalists. How, pray tell, does Samus become one of these finalists? By being the lone Nintendo option while Cloud and Sephiroth are LFFing each other in the semis. But that's beside the point. Round 6, if Sephiroth manages to get past Snake: Cloud Strife. Yeah, this will not end well. All in all, Sephiroth could make it to the quarterfinals or even the semifinals before losing and not face a character from outside the top 15 or so after round 1. I think it's more or less consensus that Vincent is #10, and Tifa's lack of non-Nine losses and near-upset of Samus put her in the 12-13 range--and if Yoshi isn't #15 yet, he definitely would be if he beat Crono. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 2:58:06 PM | message detail |
Holy wall of text, Batman! --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
Scott_Pilgrim | Posted 1/20/2010 2:58:13 PM | message detail |
Don't forget Laguna! And you guys better be prepared to nominate an FFVIII character when the #1 Guru wins! But how do you know who I'm going to pick? --- Oh, sorry, I got distracted by KrahenProphet. http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=99 |
Silverflash-x | Posted 1/20/2010 2:58:30 PM | message detail |
Sonic > Kirby upset, let's go. --- Q. If your canoe is in a tree with its headlights on, how many pancakes does it take to get to the moon? A. None. Snakes don't have armpits. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 2:59:37 PM | message detail |
From: Scott_Pilgrim | #423 http://thengamer.com/guru/ May I kindly direct your attention to who is #1 on that page? Get used to it, pal. I'm gonna be there for a while! --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
ffmasterjose | Posted 1/20/2010 3:01:44 PM | message detail |
And you guys better be prepared to nominate an FFVIII character when the #1 Guru wins! If I win I've already got my heart set on Doomtrain! IMAGINE THAT! --- 7/9 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VIII NP: Sonic the Hedgehog > Lightning | Knuckles the Echidna > Cecil Harvey |
Scott_Pilgrim | Posted 1/20/2010 3:02:45 PM | message detail |
http://thengamer.com/guru/ May I kindly direct your attention to who is #1 on that page? Get used to it, pal. I'm gonna be there for a while! Oh that's funny, I was looking at your bracket and I didn't see Ganondorf winning his division. Saw a lot of other things missing too. But thanks for looking after the #1 spot till I get there. --- Oh, sorry, I got distracted by KrahenProphet. http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=99 |
HaRRicH | Posted 1/20/2010 3:04:40 PM | message detail |
If and when I conquer everyone in the Guru-contest, brace yourselves for some AKI Man! And Epona could be fun from LoZ, too...but yeah, Sheik and Epona are the only two left that could be worthwhile (Sheik being stronger). --- T E A M C H O C O L A T E http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7355/64590879.png |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 1/20/2010 3:05:19 PM | message detail |
Plus, the whole "Yuna > Zack" fail --- holy crap, you used an apostrophe to make a word plural at least 3 times in that post. that's like cryptonite to me if I was batman - Bako Ikporamee |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 3:05:38 PM | message detail |
I was looking at your bracket and I didn't see Ganondorf winning his division. Well, obviously I wouldn't pick something THAT wrong. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
Scott_Pilgrim | Posted 1/20/2010 3:07:03 PM | message detail |
Well, obviously I wouldn't pick something THAT wrong. What's the matter, afraid to take a few risks? --- Oh, sorry, I got distracted by KrahenProphet. http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=99 |
voltch | Posted 1/20/2010 3:07:51 PM | message detail |
you guys are all delusional, Prof Oak is making the field, unless I flip a coin and Zell gets in. --- Shakes Fist! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 3:08:21 PM | message detail |
What's the matter, afraid to take a few risks? More like I don't like making wrong picks! --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 1/20/2010 3:10:47 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #433 You picked YUNA > Zack --- holy crap, you used an apostrophe to make a word plural at least 3 times in that post. that's like cryptonite to me if I was batman - Bako Ikporamee |
Silverflash-x | Posted 1/20/2010 3:12:53 PM | message detail |
Apparently I have 16 risks in my bracket. Huh. --- Q. If your canoe is in a tree with its headlights on, how many pancakes does it take to get to the moon? A. None. Snakes don't have armpits. |
red sox 777 | Posted 1/20/2010 3:13:06 PM | message detail |
I
didn't take nearly enough risks this year. I don't know how, but I only
ended up with 8 risks. I guess after I switched away from Snake >
Sephiroth and Soap to round 3 there wasn't much left..... --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
voltch | Posted 1/20/2010 3:15:13 PM | message detail |
Ryu to beat Dante's sorry ass gogogogo! --- Shakes Fist! |
TheCodeisBosco | Posted 1/20/2010 3:16:52 PM | message detail |
I've taken quite a few risks: Red > Ocelot Drake to Round Three Fawful > GlaDOS Captain Falcon > Riku Sackboy > Kratos Aurion Ellis > Shepard Big Daddy to Round Three And if Liquid > Altair and Gordon > Tifa count as risks too, I have those as well! --- Drake? DRAKE? DRAAAAAAAAKE! CURRENTLY PLAYING: Electroplankton (DS), Pokemon Gold (GBC) |
Ultimaphazon | Posted 1/20/2010 3:17:41 PM | message detail |
And you guys better be prepared to nominate an FFVIII character when the #1 Guru wins! As long as you want us to nominate Laguna, I'll be happy to do it. Seifer isn't such a great choice, but being a Guru, I won't have a choice but to nominate anyway. --- A pro isn't someone who sacrifices himself for his job. That's just a fool. - Reno, FFVII |
Karma Hunter | Posted 1/20/2010 3:19:35 PM | message detail |
The
one thing that gives me pause with auto-condemning Sonic this year is
the way he just utterly decimated Luigi back in 2006. Would anyone be
calling for Sonic's head against Weegee in our first return to 1v1s
since then? Kirby and Ganondorf are different of course, and Kirby actually did pull the miracle last time around in fourways... but neither are much stronger than Luigi, if at all. There's some weird intrafanbase stuff at play here that I wouldn't be so wary of with a Square near-elite. --- turnturnturn your brain in http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
RPGuy96 | Posted 1/20/2010 3:25:00 PM | message detail |
I
was extremely disappointed in that Luigi result at the time...but Sonic
2k6 (hah!) was significantly stronger than Sonic last year (or
presumably Sonic now). I think a constant Auron works out to Sonic 2k8
getting 41% on Sonic 2k6, and if you ask me he's gotten worse. I think
that was representative of their strengths back then, not SFF, and that
Luigi would have a good shot now. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
Xeybozn | Posted 1/20/2010 3:28:05 PM | message detail |
So
if 2k8 Sonic is worth about 40% on 2k6 Sonic, Luigi is worth about 40%
on 2k6 Sonic, and Luigi has beaten Bacondorf and Kirby, does that mean
Sonic actually has a decent shot at getting to Link? --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=68 |
Calintares | Posted 1/20/2010 3:29:00 PM | message detail |
Can someone work som x-stat magic and calculate what Lightning gets against Cloud? --- Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 1/20/2010 3:29:04 PM | message detail |
A "decent shot"? Sure. I mean, it was supposed to be a virtual lock, but I suppose it's not an impossibility yet... --- turnturnturn your brain in http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 1/20/2010 3:30:33 PM | message detail |
Can someone work som x-stat magic and calculate what Lightning gets against Cloud? 75% in a just world. --- If you're seeing this sig, I'm not on my computer! |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/20/2010 3:31:10 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 1/20/2010 5:58:06 PM | #422 And there's still nothing but "Waah". Luigi could not have possibly SFFd Meta Knight! Meta is too cool and SFF does not exist, lolololo --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ All you love is a lie. |
red sox 777 | Posted 1/20/2010 3:36:37 PM | message detail |
It's like LMS, except he expects us to listen to him. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
voltch | Posted 1/20/2010 3:36:56 PM | message detail |
After
nearly 800 topics, we clearly are but a bunch of ignorant fools, this
man tsunami is clearly the messiah to bring in a new age of true stat
discussions.... --- I hope he leaves during the off-season. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 1/20/2010 3:37:47 PM | message detail |
I'm
also kind of uncomfortable with the implications of putting Sonic that
low (...as I am with the implications that Cecil could > Knuckles in
a 24 hour match, but here we are!). The whole NN, Vincent, Squall,
Sora, Auron, Ganondorf, MMX, Luigi, Kirby, Kratos, Zelda, Dante, Tifa,
Ryu, Zack, Yoshi, Bowser, Liquid, Big Boss, Aeris, Leon Kennedy... Is
Sonic out of the Top 30? --- turnturnturn your brain in http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/20/2010 3:37:55 PM | message detail |
It has taken Knuckles 6 hours and 30 minutes of daylight and ASV to break 52% on Cecil. Anyone who considers Sonic the favorite the advance out of this division is nuts. I'd take Rikku out of this division before Sonic. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png |
