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How far down is Sonic now? The mid teens? His match against Knuckles will tell us next to nothing since both have had pathetic showings and Sonic SFFing Knux into the ground will prove nothing. The list of characters that could possibly beat Sonic now seems sort of staggering really.
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You fail to see the way sentences work. Perhaps I should have separated it into two sentences:

You fail on how to make proper sentences. Commas are not periods. In your original sentence

Oddly enough, Fox McCloud currently fits the bill, and even stranger considering the fact that he's never won a match...

That is all in one thought.
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Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
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What other "old square" characters would you like to use? The FF4 characters don't have very many battles so we don't have a clear picture of where they stand.

Cecil Kain and Rydia all did decently with the ASV areas last year. Clearly FF4DS has helped in that regard. Outside of that the only other FF4 match is Cecil/Kirby, which is useless because of how good Kirby is with the ASV. He won't be scoring consistant 53% updates when the ASV comes, but he'll be making enough progress to take the match with the SNV (or complete NV due to the format).
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The Noble Nine is a concept that stands for the nine characters who have started these contests statistically higher than everyone else and have never lost to anybody else in a one-on-one match since then. If the character wasn't here in 2002, sorry, they don't fit the bill. It's an elite unit of contest-legends that are also gaming icons, moreso than the likes of Bowser or Vincent, and they've been kicking ass from the beginning. I don't think there is any real interest with the people who have been familiar with the Noble Nine term since its inception to add people to it...there's been a lot bigger interest in waiting for when it breaks, actually.

What's the current record for the Noble Nine against non-Noble Niners in one-on-one matches, anyway? I think way back around Solid/Zelda in 2005 the record was 82-0 or so.
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1. Why is everyone still under the impression that Sonic has an ASV. The best example is Sonic/Mega Man, where the only period that Sonic did anything was the lol europe morning vote. They went pretty even through the day until MM came back with the glorious night vote.

A common misconception is that whoever does well in the morning does well in the ASV since people assumed that is when NA wakes up. They however forget that during the same time it's the European ASV.


2. Where is this "old square" terrible ASV from outside of Kefka and CT characters? Hell, the only times they've ever had a truly brutal ASV is when against someone like Master Chief who takes 90% of his strength from the ASV votes. Unless there's a huge disparity between ASV strengths (see Kairi/Claire for an excellent example) there isn't going to be any major swings.

Not sure how to answer this, but looking at the graphs FFIV characters do go down during the day, Knuckles isn't going to rise to 57% like he did with Kefka, but at the same time Cecil is not coming back unless the night voters voting again thing is true (which it sort of is)
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Character Battle VIII - 5/8 - Today's Winners: Sonic and Knuckles

Cecil, Kain, and Rydia all did noticeably worse once we got past the night vote. Not as abysmal as FFVI's day vote, but still worse. Of course, at least Kain and Rydia have the excuse of facing Chief and Fenix, but Cecil has no excuse.
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Sonic won't make it that far? I think you're underestimating momentum. Once Sonic shows he still has it the anti voters won't matter. He'll make it past Kirby in the division finals at least. Beyond that, no idea

Momentum? My god man, don't bring that term up in a discussion if you don't understand it. Characters do not gain momentum just by winning matches.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
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I can guarantee that all FFIV characters will have amazing contest pics since SB is such a big fan.
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Cecil, Kain, and Rydia all did noticeably worse once we got past the night vote. Not as abysmal as FFVI's day vote, but still worse. Of course, at least Kain and Rydia have the excuse of facing Chief and Fenix, but Cecil has no excuse.

Kain did fall at a constant rate with Raiden so it looks like they have similar ASV strength. Also both Sub-Zero and Auron remained constant as Marcus stole percent mostly from Rydia.
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Character Battle VIII - 5/8 - Today's Winners: Sonic and Knuckles

Momentum? My god man, don't bring that term up in a discussion if you don't understand it. Characters do not gain momentum just by winning matches.

Doesn't really matter despite me having it correct and your only objection being that I don't. We'll let Sonic's matches speak for themselves, especially when he buries Ganon

The only arguments you could possibly make for momentum are Starcraft (Holy crap, an awesome game that was a 16 seed is winning! Sweet!) and L-Block (Ha! A Tetris piece in the third round. How awesome would it be if he beat that loser Link for a change?)
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From: Dark_Spiral | #210
Momentum? My god man, don't bring that term up in a discussion if you don't understand it. Characters do not gain momentum just by winning matches.

Doesn't really matter despite me having it correct and your only objection being that I don't. We'll let Sonic's matches speak for themselves, especially when he buries Ganon

No, we won't. This is a logical fallacy. "The end result is the way it (may or may not happen btw) so the logic I used to arrive at that result cannot be disputed."

That is childish logic and makes me faceplam for even ever talking to you, Spiral.
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Kain did fall at a constant rate with Raiden so it looks like they have similar ASV strength

Yeah, and an MGS level day vote is a bad day vote.
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Doesn't really matter despite me having it correct and your only objection being that I don't. We'll let Sonic's matches speak for themselves, especially when he buries Ganon

Wouldn't Ganondorf gain momentum at the same rate?
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Character Battle VIII - 5/8 - Today's Winners: Sonic and Knuckles

Winning matches alone doesn't gain momentum. If Sonic has momentum going into his match against Kirby because he's won three matches, Kirby's three-match streak he won to get there will cancel it out.
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man and i thought the arguments a friend of mine used to say NSMBwii was the game of the decade where dumb.
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In brighter news, Knuckles is starting to own faces now. .2% gained in the last two updates.
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That is childish logic and makes me faceplam for even ever talking to you, Spiral.

Chris, I faceplam too. :(

Doesn't really matter despite me having it correct and your only objection being that I don't. We'll let Sonic's matches speak for themselves, especially when he buries Ganon

How are you so sure that Sonic's "momentum" will be stronger then Ganondorf's "momentum"? Or how about Kirby's "momentum" after that? And if he does beat those two, he's got to worry about Link's "momentum"! Holy crap!

Characters do not gain momentum by winning normal matches. They need something else (surprise upsets like L-Block, joke characters like Block/Cube, completely outclassed in strength like Kirby against Cloud/Seph/Snake, etc). Sonic will have nothing going for him going into matches where he's the favorite to win.
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'own faces' you mean 'start the arduous climb to 52%'

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From: LeonhartFour | #217
In brighter news, Knuckles is starting to own faces now. .2% gained in the last two updates.

he'll likely end up with about 53%, me thinks... still a horrible performance though to beat Cecil by only that much, though
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You are lucky that other guy who was crying about the noble nine needing to be the elite eleven earlier or otherwise that'd be the worst post in this topic. I have sonic, never even doubted, and that's just pathetic.
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The reference I made wasn't in reference to winning matches, it was because of a lot of people thinking Sonic is substandard and realizing he still has some of the strength he's had in previous years that's been hidden by four way matches.

btw calling 56% for knuckles right now LET'S DO IT
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Why does Final Fantasy 7 win every year? Geesh you'd think people would give Zelda a try.
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From: KamikazePotato | #220
'own faces' you mean 'start the arduous climb to 52%'

I say tuh-may-toe, you say tuh-mah-toe.
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The only arguments you could possibly make for momentum are Starcraft (Holy crap, an awesome game that was a 16 seed is winning! Sweet!) and L-Block (Ha! A Tetris piece in the third round. How awesome would it be if he beat that loser Link for a change?)

Kirby Vs. Cloud Vs. Sephiroth Vs. Snake
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
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Exactly. That's how the whole "Terrific Ten" idea got started--Vincent beating Crono. It only got scrapped because L-Block made us see that 4-ways do strange things.

I find it odd that the idea of the Noble Nine existed before 2006, because through 2005, Sonic and Snake had never actually beaten another member of the Noble Nine, Samus's only wins over other Noble Niners had come against Sonic, and Mega Man's only other wins against Noble Niners had come against Sonic and Snake. It was, essentially, a segmented Noble Nine--Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, and Crono had each won at least once against one of the other four in that group, but none of the five had ever lost to one of the other four members of the so-called "Noble Nine".

Then came 2006. First, Snake earned his first Noble Nine win--against Mega Man, a foe he'd lost to twice before. The next day, Sonic, the supposed "weakest" of the Noble Nine, beat Crono, making the Noble Nine a legitimate circle (since both Samus and Mega had beaten Sonic and Snake had just beaten Mega; Snake would then beat Sonic before losing to Samus.)

Uh, notice a pattern?

2006: The hypothetical "Noble Nine" becomes a reality when the alleged weakest member manages to beat Crono.
2007: The Noble Nine is temporarily expanded to become the Terrific Ten when Vincent manages to beat Crono in a third-round match, before L-Block comes along and beats everyone, rendering all 4-way results irrelevant to determining membership in the Noble Nine and reverting it to its previous status.

Surely you must understand why I'm a little skeptical of Crono's strength as a Noble Niner, in spite of his impressive 2008 run to the finals (that was probably fueled in part by three-way SFF in the semis). Er, right...moving on...

Wow, you're kind of not a very nice person Achromatic
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Are you still talking about expanding the Noble Nine? It's not happening and is an awful idea.

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I find it odd that the idea of the Noble Nine existed before 2006, because through 2005, Sonic and Snake had never actually beaten another member of the Noble Nine

2002 X-Stats.
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Yeah, that aside Crono's making me a bit wary. I think Seph takes the match between the two

The reference I made wasn't in reference to winning matches, it was because of a lot of people thinking Sonic is substandard and realizing he still has some of the strength he's had in previous years that's been hidden by four way matches.

Are you just hoping for this? Because everything so far shows you're completely wrong. Shadow losing to a character he should have beaten, Sonic looking like turd against a character that doesn't exist for half the world, and Knuckles almost losing to some old FF character. Not a great start for your idea there.
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Man this guy has to be some kind of alt actually.
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Chris is the best user of the decade yo.
he don't need to be nice to small time fools.
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I find it odd that the idea of the Noble Nine existed before 2006,

It existed in 2002, but people started using the term in 2003.

Btw, you have no idea what NN means. Stop arguing your points.
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Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
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woah did cecil just cut 25 out of no where
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Are you just hoping for this? Because everything so far shows you're completely wrong. Shadow losing to a character he should have beaten, Sonic looking like turd against a character that doesn't exist for half the world, and Knuckles almost losing to some old FF character. Not a great start for your idea there.

Knuckles isn't Sonic. He'll never be Sonic, they're on two totally different levels, unless you're saying every character from a game series should have the same popularity. And then you consider the one on one format, which goes back to me saying a lot of people think Sonic is substandard and will have their eyes opened. It's not a great start no, but it's still entirely possible, especially if he beats Ganon like I think he will. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I don't think I am

Uh, DarkSpiral? Nobody's been arguing that Sephiroth won't. The question is whether Crono will get that far, but regardless of who's in that match, Sephiroth should dominate his division easily.

Cecil's gonna win it with the ASV!

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I find it odd that the idea of the Noble Nine existed before 2006, because through 2005, Sonic and Snake had never actually beaten another member of the Noble Nine, Samus's only wins over other Noble Niners had come against Sonic, and Mega Man's only other wins against Noble Niners had come against Sonic and Snake. It was, essentially, a segmented Noble Nine--Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, and Crono had each won at least once against one of the other four in that group, but none of the five had ever lost to one of the other four members of the so-called "Noble Nine".

The Noble Nine was basically the elite 8 of 2003 plus Crono. First they were all from a previous contest and second they looked to be the strongest characters (especially in 2002). Remember this was done before x-stats that showed Magus > Sonic.
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Character Battle VIII - 5/8 - Today's Winners: Sonic and Knuckles

from a 54% update to a 52 loss, damn Team Sega you suck.
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Uh, DarkSpiral? Nobody's been arguing that Sephiroth won't. The question is whether Crono will get that far, but regardless of who's in that match, Sephiroth should dominate his division easily.

Really? I've seen a lot of people thinking Crono will beat Seph and move on

Really? I've seen a lot of people thinking Crono will beat Seph and move on

Who are these people?
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Really? I've seen a lot of people thinking Crono will beat Seph and move on

Who?

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Knuckles isn't Sonic. He'll never be Sonic, they're on two totally different levels, unless you're saying every character from a game series should have the same popularity. And then you consider the one on one format, which goes back to me saying a lot of people think Sonic is substandard and will have their eyes opened. It's not a great start no, but it's still entirely possible, especially if he beats Ganon like I think he will. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I don't think I am

I'm saying the entire cast of Sonic characters are looking a hell of a lot weaker then they did in previous contests. Sonic putting up 63% on Lightning is a huge indicator of this (yet you're ignoring it based off of a couple hundred "upset voters"), so I'm pointing you towards the fact that the other Sonic characters have looked like **** so far, proving that Sonic has fallen.

You can believe what you want, but don't say that Sonic is as strong as before without anything to back you up.
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Actually during the 2002 character, the big talk was about Mario, Crono, Link, and Sephiroth. A lot of people thought that Snake was comparatively mid-tier.
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Where the **** did Tsunami and Spiral come from? Their posts are hilarious as hell.
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Auron>Squall ok, we got some good arguments for it, but who the heck has crono>Seph?
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From: Not_Wylvane | #248
Where the **** did Tsunami and Spiral come from? Their posts are hilarious as hell.

Spiral I recognize, though I think he's a contest only dude (not posting here during offseason)

no idea who tsunami is tho
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