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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 788
Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/20/2010 10:23:18 AM | message detail |
From: XxSoulxX | #147 I have new-found respect for Canada right now. --- Not Wylvane |
Dark_Spiral | Posted 1/20/2010 10:25:03 AM | message detail |
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 1/20/2010 10:28:17 AM | message detail |
No, Sonic < Rest of Noble Nine is not
confirmed. Remember that Sonic>Crono 2006 is the only reason the
Noble Nine isn't the "Fabulous Five" or something, because Snake, Mega
Man and Samus have yet to beat Link, Mario, Cloud, Sephiroth, or Crono
in a 1v1. That's 2006, as in, "the last 1v1 contest we've had up
until now". So wait until the contest ends before you start declaring
the relative strengths of the Noble Nine. The Chaos Division is littered with less-than-elites, so if Sonic trips up, the Noble Nine blows up. (Yes, even a loss to Ganondorf would do a number on the Nine, since Ganondorf lost to Vincent and also to Magus, who has lost to Knuckles and now Alucard, and Knuckles lost to Squall, while Alucard lost to Sora and Auron, and Sora lost to Aerith, who lost to Zelda...that's 10 new members.) On the other hand, the Noble Nine could be expanded far more reasonably... |
Achromatic | Posted 1/20/2010 10:31:02 AM | message detail |
The Noble Nine is a concept, not a club. It does not get expanded. It blows up when it blows up, and the concept is dead. --- Dragon Quest V is awesome Sir Chris |
charmander6000 | Posted 1/20/2010 10:31:25 AM | message detail |
Cecil is fighting back. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 5/8 - Today's Winners: Sonic and Knuckles |
vcharon | Posted 1/20/2010 10:32:34 AM | message detail |
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voltch | Posted 1/20/2010 10:32:52 AM | message detail |
chris knows what's up with the NN. --- Shakes Fist! |
vcharon | Posted 1/20/2010 10:33:00 AM | message detail |
Technically
the concept could be expanded. The character that breaks the Noble Nine
however would have to have never lost to anyone outside of the Noble
Nine themselves. --- :> |
charmander6000 | Posted 1/20/2010 10:34:16 AM | message detail |
Technically
the concept could be expanded. The character the breaks the Noble Nine
however would have to have never lost to anyone outside of the Noble
Nine themselves. I think very few non-fodder characters would qualify for that without bringing in even more characters --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 5/8 - Today's Winners: Sonic and Knuckles |
TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 1/20/2010 10:34:52 AM | message detail |
Don't be so sure. Yoshi's actually pretty strong. http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Yoshi%27s_Contest_History Nothing short of a Noble Niner has taken him out in a 1v1 since his first appearance, and he definitely deserves a spot among the high midcarders based on past performance. And it's Crono, who's probably the weakest of the Noble Nine. Elite Eleven, here we come. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/20/2010 10:35:21 AM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #159 lightning to be part of the terrific ten next year --- http://i48.tinypic.com/24ytvz8.png Albion Hero is the Cream of Loli Fanboyism |
Jman_maximum | Posted 1/20/2010 10:35:42 AM | message detail |
I think very few non-fodder characters would qualify for that without bringing in even more characters seeing what lightning did before the game was even released,i think Noctis from versus XIII could be a potential candidate in the near future. i see him being an elite. |
vcharon | Posted 1/20/2010 10:36:52 AM | message detail |
That's
pretty much why the Noble Nine will never be the Terrific Ten or
anything else. It will either always be the NN, or it will fall. Ganondorf has lost to Magus. Kirby has lost to Bowser. Neither of them are eligible to join the group because of that. The only character I can think of that's really eligible is Vincent, and again he doesn't get a chance to be the one. --- :> |
charmander6000 | Posted 1/20/2010 10:38:43 AM | message detail |
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 1/20/2010 10:39:45 AM | message detail |
The
Noble Nine will always be the Noble Nine. Instead of "9 characters who
have never lost to characters outside of the 9 in 1 on 1 combat" it'll
be "9 characters who had never lost to characters outside of the 9 in 1
on 1 combat until Sonic screwed it up" but I think the term will still
be used. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
XxSoulxX | Posted 1/20/2010 10:40:29 AM | message detail |
Yeah, the term will always be used, but it won't have any meaning anymore. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
vcharon | Posted 1/20/2010 10:41:39 AM | message detail |
But
yeah, the talks of extending the Noble Nine for Vincent or anyone else
are pretty much done. Team Sonic is awful and if Sonic manages to
scrape past Ganondorf, he will be utterly embarrassed by Kirby. --- :> |
Achromatic | Posted 1/20/2010 10:42:16 AM | message detail |
Sure the "term" is acceptable, but this expansion stuff is pretty much nonsense. --- Dragon Quest V is awesome Sir Chris |
charmander6000 | Posted 1/20/2010 10:44:22 AM | message detail |
I
think people are either overrating Kirby or overrating the effect of
Ganondorf's picture. He only went from 52.5% to 49% on Luigi, I would
take Ganondorf to beat Kirby by more than that. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 5/8 - Today's Winners: Sonic and Knuckles |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 10:45:29 AM | message detail |
From: TsunamiXXVIII | #160 You might want to look at Yoshi's most recent performance, the one where he got smoked by Squall and Sora. Also, Sonic sucking sure makes Auron's beatdown of him last year not look quite so impressive! Sonic sure is lucky he got the Brawl announcement mid-contest in 2007 or Squall probably beats him then. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 1/20/2010 10:46:12 AM | message detail |
Exactly. The only ones that currently bring in no
other characters, besides those with no track record at all, are
Vincent, Zelda, Bowser, Tifa, and...well, I think those are the only
four with any clout. Oddly enough, Fox McCloud currently fits the bill,
and even stranger considering the fact that he's never won a match,
period, so does Ken--two appearances, two first-round matchups with the
NN. However, expanding the Nine right to the Eleven is not unreasonable. Examples of characters who would only bring in one other character if they were to break the Nine are Squall (Vincent), Yoshi (Bowser), and Aerith (Zelda, although I'm guessing that only lasts until her first-round match with Auron, who is most definitely not in that position--see my previous post on the results of Ganondorf breaking the Nine, because Auron lost to Ganondorf in 2005). Hence, why I believe that we'll soon jump from Nine right to Eleven. Crono has been looking vulnerable, and there's Yoshi waiting to take him on in a day match in Round 2. A Yoshi win would add Yoshi and Bowser to the Noble Nine, turning it into the Elite Eleven. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 10:47:23 AM | message detail |
Nobody will ever use the term "Elite Eleven." --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
vcharon | Posted 1/20/2010 10:49:55 AM | message detail |
Another
thing you have to understand is that the term Noble Nine is rather old
now. It has a lot of value and sentiment to people. Asking them to say
Terrific Ten or Elite Eleven is a bit unreasonable. I personally could see it however. But it won't happen. Sonic is a chink in the armor. To be honest, the "Noble Nine" has been a farce for me since his failings last year against Auron and Kirby. --- :> |
Achromatic | Posted 1/20/2010 10:51:12 AM | message detail |
From: TsunamiXXVIII | #171 I think you are failing to understand the concept that is never going to happen. --- Why does Final Fantasy 7 win every year? Geesh you'd think people would give Zelda a try. Sir Chris |
XxSoulxX | Posted 1/20/2010 10:51:22 AM | message detail |
Oddly enough, Fox McCloud currently fits the bill, and even stranger considering the fact that he's never won a match, period, He beat Pikachu in 2003, and beat many characters in the four-way contests. But Elite Eleven will never happen. Noble Nine is the only term used, and once someone breaks the NN, it's finished. That character does not join the NN because there's only Nine characters in that grouping. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
charmander6000 | Posted 1/20/2010 10:51:39 AM | message detail |
People have been hoping for the Noble Nine to die ever since the x-stats were first revealed with Magus over Sonic. It obviously gained more steam when Solid Snake almost choked to Frog in 2004. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 5/8 - Today's Winners: Sonic and Knuckles |
marsman57 | Posted 1/20/2010 10:52:01 AM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #172 I will, just to spite you --- Maybe PICS NAO later, WTF do you think this is, Neopets or something! No ****ing maybe no ****ing later, PICS NAO or DAIIIIII!! -- LeighDaMan |
Achromatic | Posted 1/20/2010 10:52:17 AM | message detail |
From: marsman57 | #177 And you're a nobody. Statement stands. --- SK Mason? No way is a host that stupid. Sir Chris |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 10:52:27 AM | message detail |
Yeah, the only reason the Noble Nine exists these days is for the hope that it will soon be broken. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 1/20/2010 10:52:31 AM | message detail |
2 questions: 1. Why is everyone still under the impression that Sonic has an ASV. The best example is Sonic/Mega Man, where the only period that Sonic did anything was the lol europe morning vote. They went pretty even through the day until MM came back with the glorious night vote. 2. Where is this "old square" terrible ASV from outside of Kefka and CT characters? Hell, the only times they've ever had a truly brutal ASV is when against someone like Master Chief who takes 90% of his strength from the ASV votes. Unless there's a huge disparity between ASV strengths (see Kairi/Claire for an excellent example) there isn't going to be any major swings. --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 1/20/2010 10:53:12 AM | message detail |
I
don't see what the problem is. The end result of the match was never in
doubt. Looking at percentages is overrated, because there are bound to
be a lot of *******s like me who vote for the underdog knowing that the
favorite is going to win easily anyway just to screw around with you
serious types that put too much faith in percentages. No, seriously, that was my train of thought when I voted. "Sonic's gonna win anyway, so why not vote for Lightning?" It's the first round. I assure you, Sonic's percentages will go up in later rounds, and not just because he's likely to be SFFing next round. You know what? Screw you guys; I'm voting for Sonic in Round 5 against Link, and I'm going to rally hard for him. Which would be sabotaging my own bracket, since like most of the people in the know, I have Link winning it all. Because I have had it with people badmouthing Sonic. |
vcharon | Posted 1/20/2010 10:53:49 AM | message detail |
In
the past however, the Noble Nine's strength wasn't as much in question.
There were always threats to be had, but to me it always felt like that
character was an underdog. I just don't get that feeling anymore.
Everyone is aware of how weak Sonic is, and that it only took one bad
draw in the bracket to officially end the Noble Nine. The Noble Nine is
now the underdog, and that doesn't have the same sort of magical
feeling. --- :> |
Kotetsu534 | Posted 1/20/2010 10:53:58 AM | message detail |
If Sonic were to lose to Ganon/Kirby, I'd probably still think of an "Elite Eight" or whatever. --- Currently Playing: Final Fantasy Tactics, Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy IX |
Achromatic | Posted 1/20/2010 10:54:02 AM | message detail |
No one cares about whatever useless rally you put up nor about your childish whining. --- The difference between arrogance and confidence is confidence acts rather than speaks. Sir Chris |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 10:54:09 AM | message detail |
Hey, if Sonic survives until Link, rally to your heart's content. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
voltch | Posted 1/20/2010 10:54:22 AM | message detail |
there's
no real need to take the noble nine that seriously, it's a cool concept
and all, but debating on who qualifies for membership or shoul we
expand? meh, the whole midcard/ near elites is much simpler for discussions, we don't nec to be overly precise. --- Shakes Fist! |
Denzokuken | Posted 1/20/2010 10:54:25 AM | message detail |
... I don't think I've ever voted for Link before, but if Sonic gets that far, I probably will now. |
marsman57 | Posted 1/20/2010 10:54:48 AM | message detail |
From: Achromatic | #178 Just because I only recently started posting on the contest board again doesn't make me a nobody. Sorry that my days of being really involved in the contest were when it was still 1 on 1 before your account was created. --- Maybe PICS NAO later, WTF do you think this is, Neopets or something! No ****ing maybe no ****ing later, PICS NAO or DAIIIIII!! -- LeighDaMan |
Jman_maximum | Posted 1/20/2010 10:55:02 AM | message detail |
Crono is not losing to yoshi Yoshi barely got 42% on Squall last contest taking into account Crono should be a bit stronger than Squall,and then the day match disadvantage,at best Yoshi's gonna get 45%. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 10:55:11 AM | message detail |
From: Kotetsu534 | #183 Yeah, but then you still have the whole Vincent > Crono thing from 2007. And L-Block > Everyone that year, too. Of course, a lot of people don't consider those legitimate breakings of the Noble Nine. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
Achromatic | Posted 1/20/2010 10:55:18 AM | message detail |
This Sonic vs Ganon stuff is reminding me of Mario vs Samus "the stats say-" "well in four ways-" It is Sonic. I refuse to believe he is losing to someone not insanely strong. --- The difference between arrogance and confidence is confidence acts rather than speaks. Sir Chris |
XxSoulxX | Posted 1/20/2010 10:55:23 AM | message detail |
I
don't see what the problem is. The end result of the match was never in
doubt. Looking at percentages is overrated, because there are bound to
be a lot of *******s like me who vote for the underdog knowing that the
favorite is going to win easily anyway just to screw around with you
serious types that put too much faith in percentages. And there are a hell of a lot more people who don't follow these contests and vote for their favorite. If 63% is all Sonic could muster against a character that doesn't exist, then he's dead. Period. You know what? Screw you guys; I'm voting for Sonic in Round 5 against Link, and I'm going to rally hard for him. Which would be sabotaging my own bracket, since like most of the people in the know, I have Link winning it all. Because I have had it with people badmouthing Sonic. Sonic won't make it that far. --- Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 1/20/2010 10:55:35 AM | message detail |
2.
Where is this "old square" terrible ASV from outside of Kefka and CT
characters? Hell, the only times they've ever had a truly brutal ASV is
when against someone like Master Chief who takes 90% of his strength
from the ASV votes. Unless there's a huge disparity between ASV
strengths (see Kairi/Claire for an excellent example) there isn't going
to be any major swings. What other "old square" characters would you like to use? The FF4 characters don't have very many battles so we don't have a clear picture of where they stand. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
Denzokuken | Posted 1/20/2010 10:55:39 AM | message detail |
Also
wasn't part of the whole NN thing that they had to have appeared in
every contest? All these 'Elite Eleven' or 'Sexual Sixteen' upstarts
can't claim that distinction. |
TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 1/20/2010 10:55:49 AM | message detail |
You fail to see the way sentences work. Perhaps I should have separated it into two sentences: Oddly enough, Fox McCloud currently fits the bill. Even stranger considering the fact that he's never won a match, period, so does Ken--two appearances, two first-round matchups with the NN. |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 1/20/2010 10:56:08 AM | message detail |
croy3 Posted 1/20/2010 1:10:46 PM message detail So is Sonic < Rest of Noble Nine confirmed? It's been that way since 2006 when Snake stopped being the ass-end of the NN, and anyone saying otherwise is clearly out to lunch. --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
Achromatic | Posted 1/20/2010 10:56:22 AM | message detail |
Actually I just think you should have broken that up into two sentences because your sentence was bad. --- "it is a friggen beam so it is moving light speed" - MWC on Samus beam weapons. Seriously. Sir Chris |
Dark_Spiral | Posted 1/20/2010 10:57:26 AM | message detail |
Sonic
won't make it that far? I think you're underestimating momentum. Once
Sonic shows he still has it the anti voters won't matter. He'll make it
past Kirby in the division finals at least. Beyond that, no idea |
Achromatic | Posted 1/20/2010 10:57:53 AM | message detail |
Why would momentum matter for such a popular character. --- "it is a friggen beam so it is moving light speed" - MWC on Samus beam weapons. Seriously. Sir Chris |
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/20/2010 10:58:05 AM | message detail |
If Sonic makes it past Kirby, you should have a very good idea of what awaits him. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
