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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 786

UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/19/2010 9:57:46 AM | message detail
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~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
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~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
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~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

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~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
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~*Poll Start Times*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Battle_8_Poll_Start_Times

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/19/2010 9:58:37 AM | message detail
Drake couldn't handle THE LADDER
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/19/2010 9:58:40 AM | message detail
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 1/19/2010 9:59:24 AM | message detail
****ing Uncharted toolboxes. I hate you Board 8. I hadn't even given that match a second look but OH GOD NATHAN IN BEST GAME OF THE YEAR HURRRRRR
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voltch | Posted 1/19/2010 10:28:43 AM | message detail
The boss just delivered an R.K.O to Nathan, Uncharted 2's melee wasn't so good imo.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 1/19/2010 10:30:27 AM | message detail
Y'know, Drake seems to be hanging on in there, just a bit too well for my liking!

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Me_Pie_Three | Posted 1/19/2010 10:30:49 AM | message detail
It makes sense, PS3 exclusive, etc.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 1/19/2010 10:33:40 AM | message detail
Drake is soft as a Care Bear.
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NP: Weighted Companion Cube > Sandal | The Boss > Nathan Drake
charmander6000 | Posted 1/19/2010 10:42:41 AM | message detail
I think that would be possible if Lightning is at least above the fodder line. We all thought Thrall was high end fodder and Link couldn't even break 80% on him. With how much weaker Sonic is compared to Link, Lightning would have to be slightly above Thrall to have a chance at breaking 30%.

I don't think hype can get Lightning that high. Even Brawl hype struggled to do that.
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Character Battle VIII - 3/6 - Today's Winners: WCC and The Boss
Lightslayer987 | Posted 1/19/2010 10:42:43 AM | message detail
this is just pathetic
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/19/2010 10:42:54 AM | message detail
Drake is all casual appeal. No one is even upset that he's losing; they're upset that they're losing a point or three.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/19/2010 10:43:17 AM | message detail
I still want to see the ASV start before calling this. This is the first school-day we've had and it's been mentioned the vote total has been a lot lower thus far for this match than usual (it was for WCC/Sandal earlier today, too), plus we're entering the ASV with three hours behind us instead of fifteen...nothing's nearly as established as it used to be at this point.

The Boss is looking good to win it, but if Drake wins the ASV then he's still competitive. It wouldn't take too big of a big swing to do that, though The Boss looks to be making it harder and harder for him right now.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/19/2010 10:43:18 AM | message detail
Patience, everyone. 9 hours averaged at 51% is still more than enough for Drake to turn this around. 9 hours averaged at 52% gives him an easy victory.

I mean I just don't understand why you would do this. :(
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/19/2010 10:43:42 AM | message detail
Well, I've got to go, and will be missing the start of the ASV. Hopefully when I get back the comeback will be in full swing.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/19/2010 10:44:01 AM | message detail
Why would you post that KH

Now you're doing it

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charmander6000 | Posted 1/19/2010 10:44:09 AM | message detail
****ing Uncharted toolboxes. I hate you Board 8. I hadn't even given that match a second look but OH GOD NATHAN IN BEST GAME OF THE YEAR HURRRRRR

Yup because Tommy Vercetti, Carl Johnson, Midna, Balthier and every "Brawl only" characters did so well.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/19/2010 10:44:46 AM | message detail
You're right.

Hold on brb while I end myself :(:(:(
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/19/2010 10:44:58 AM | message detail
And anyone thinking Drake handily wins the ASV or something really needs to consider him not winning it at all. He could very easily be worse than The Boss during that time period.

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WhatTheDarn | Posted 1/19/2010 10:45:47 AM | message detail
Boss... you only need one Drake... no... the world... would be better off... without... Drakes...
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Calintares | Posted 1/19/2010 10:45:48 AM | message detail
I was so tempted to change my pick to Nathan when I read through the stat topics, and I'm so glad I made it my principle not to give in to temptation.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/19/2010 10:46:06 AM | message detail
Yeah, that's also a possibility, as is the possibility that the ASV is so diluted by the 12-hour format that not much happens. But it's way too early to call this one.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/19/2010 10:46:54 AM | message detail
And anyone thinking Drake handily wins the ASV or something really needs to consider him not winning it at all. He could very easily be worse than The Boss during that time period.

If The Boss continues to rise in percent during the ASV then we should laugh at Nathan's patheticness.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/19/2010 10:47:36 AM | message detail
I don't think hype can get Lightning that high. Even Brawl hype struggled to do that.

That makes sense. Though I wonder if Lightning could benefit from receiving votes from FF fans that know she's in an FF game.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 1/19/2010 10:48:42 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #021
Yeah, that's also a possibility, as is the possibility that the ASV is so diluted by the 12-hour format that not much happens. But it's way too early to call this one.


no, its pretty much over. we'll be goin into the asv with a 1000 vote lead or so, and thats a pretty big comeback needed
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KingBartz | Posted 1/19/2010 10:49:05 AM | message detail
And anyone thinking Drake handily wins the ASV or something really needs to consider him not winning it at all. He could very easily be worse than The Boss during that time period.


With the way that the boss is escalating during these last few updates, I wouldn't be surprised.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/19/2010 10:50:38 AM | message detail
Also, I guess these are the votals we get when we kick off the day match with two night characters! Yikes.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/19/2010 10:52:11 AM | message detail
What were we even arguing for Drake? He was terrible in 2008 and his game would get crushed by any legit GotY contender (MGS3 would massacre the Uncharted series). Hell, U2 probably only looked as good as it did because some people anti-voted MW2 as the obvious winner. It may have only been like the fourth strongest game of the year in our weakest gaming year of the decade. Couple that with the fact that Drake just looks... kinda like a normal guy on the street, and you're gonna get a really weak character.

Of course, I picked Shadow and would have never considered Ammy in a hundred years, so most of us deserve a Boss armbar at this point!
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FFDragon | Posted 1/19/2010 10:55:35 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | Posted: 1/19/2010 1:52:11 PM | #027
What were we even arguing for Drake? He was terrible in 2008 and his game would get crushed by any legit GotY contender (MGS3 would massacre the Uncharted series). Hell, U2 probably only looked as good as it did because some people anti-voted MW2 as the obvious winner. It may have only been like the fourth strongest game of the year in our weakest gaming year of the decade. Couple that with the fact that Drake just looks... kinda like a normal guy on the street, and you're gonna get a really weak character.


Don't even have to go that far. I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever pick someone who lost to CATS.

EVER.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/19/2010 10:55:52 AM | message detail
The only reason I picked Shadow is because I was convinced that the only reason the loser dropped it to Zidane was because Link sapped his casual support... or something.

How did borderline fodder look like a top ten contender once upon a time
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 1/19/2010 10:57:41 AM | message detail

From: FFDragon | #028
Don't even have to go that far. I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever pick someone who lost to CATS.

EVER.


Based on this result, if you dont give drake a boost, boss would easily lose to cats as well!
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/19/2010 10:58:25 AM | message detail
Hmm, a quick look at each of the states shows that Drake seems to be doing well in the Midwest, but is losing in most of the states everywhere else.
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KingBartz | Posted 1/19/2010 10:59:19 AM | message detail
No doubt Drake boosted from 2008; however, he went from low fodder to high fodder.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/19/2010 10:59:22 AM | message detail

From: Karma Hunter | #029
The only reason I picked Shadow is because I was convinced that the only reason the loser dropped it to Zidane was because Link sapped his casual support... or something.


Eh, that's what I thought as well. It made sense at the time, and I still think there's something to it. Amaterasu would have probably beaten out both Shadow and Zidane if she was the 4th in that poll.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/19/2010 11:02:09 AM | message detail
Only Canada can save Drake now. Also did Uncharted 2 come out in South America?
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Master Moltar | Posted 1/19/2010 11:02:58 AM | message detail
go The Boss
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FFDragon | Posted 1/19/2010 11:03:14 AM | message detail

From: Lightslayer987 | Posted: 1/19/2010 1:57:41 PM | #030
Based on this result, if you dont give drake a boost, boss would easily lose to cats as well!


And that's why I have her losing to the cube next round!
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/19/2010 11:04:26 AM | message detail
Cube >> CATS.
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KingBartz | Posted 1/19/2010 11:05:21 AM | message detail
Interesting that missingno has so much support on the leaderboard... i wonder how many brackets have it winning it's match.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/19/2010 11:06:52 AM | message detail
Missingno probably got the support because of the vote-in polls.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 1/19/2010 11:07:52 AM | message detail
I wonder what kinda support Drake will get here with brackets... being a 2 seed + a toss up match anyway, I can see him getting near 70%
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/19/2010 11:10:35 AM | message detail
Interesting that missingno has so much support on the leaderboard

Very weird. There are 4 Missingno brackets on the leaderboard, compared to only 2 for L-Block and none for Weighted Companion Cube yet.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/19/2010 11:10:44 AM | message detail
At this point, I'd be willing to bet money on Liquid Snake, and if you reopened brackets for a minute, I might even be crazy enough to switch back to Simon Belmont over Ezio (I believe Ezio will easily be the weakest of the Drake/Altair/Ezio 2 seeds).
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/19/2010 11:11:38 AM | message detail
The last time a 15 Seed upset a heavily favored 2 Seed, it was Master Chief, and the prediction percentage ended up being 20%.

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Lightslayer987 | Posted 1/19/2010 11:11:38 AM | message detail
(I believe Ezio will easily be the weakest of the Drake/Altair/Ezio 2 seeds).

lol wut
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paulg235 | Posted 1/19/2010 11:11:47 AM | message detail
I'd think nothing about it. Last year, we had a perfect having Sandbag by the 2nd division.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/19/2010 11:12:04 AM | message detail
I would take Ezio>Altair fairly easily.

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charmander6000 | Posted 1/19/2010 11:13:06 AM | message detail
I wonder what kinda support Drake will get here with brackets... being a 2 seed + a toss up match anyway, I can see him getting near 70%

I have him at 65% right now.

However if you want a comparison Ness was favoured to win over Carl Johnson, then again he was a 5 seed in 2005.
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KingBartz | Posted 1/19/2010 11:14:02 AM | message detail
23-24% seems like an accurate prediction for The Boss. Despite being a debated match on B8, Drake is almost as big casual bait as MC
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The Real Truth | Posted 1/19/2010 11:16:12 AM | message detail
Glad I went with my instinct on this one. I just hope that Boss can beat WCC next round. I don't know how people thought Drake would easily best THE BOSS, when he was sooooo bad before.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/19/2010 11:16:15 AM | message detail
The Boss had 68% bracket support against Celes.

I don't see Nathan being as casual as Master Chief.
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