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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 781

UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/16/2010 7:48:35 PM | message detail
It's about damn time this Red/Ocelot match got here. 2 months worth of arguing!




~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Poll Start Times*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Battle_8_Poll_Start_Times

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/16/2010 8:08:15 PM | message detail
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g12/Mantis-A/Ocelot.gif
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Biolizard28 | Posted 1/16/2010 8:10:28 PM | message detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhkGx0QGVDY
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/16/2010 8:58:42 PM | message detail
To the top with you.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/16/2010 8:59:23 PM | message detail
this is gonna get ugly

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/16/2010 9:02:16 PM | message detail
ocelot cuttin'
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Nomchan | Posted 1/16/2010 9:02:22 PM | message detail
Red is kicking ass.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/16/2010 9:02:32 PM | message detail
The Pokemon board vote is hilarious.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:02:40 PM | message detail
Goodbye to any chances of beating MMX.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:02:48 PM | message detail
Red in trouble.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/16/2010 9:02:49 PM | message detail
Ocelot making a run for the doubling already. Insane match; I am actually doing backflips by my computer.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/16/2010 9:03:01 PM | message detail
Here comes the Hand Gesture!
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/16/2010 9:03:08 PM | message detail
Stallfest. Boring.

Someone do some cutting.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/16/2010 9:03:16 PM | message detail
I'm liking Ocelot here. If thats all that Red could do with the board vote, then I'm not impressed
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:03:25 PM | message detail
And if you don't stop dropping like a rock you may not even beat Ocelot, Red!
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....
Lopen | Posted 1/16/2010 9:03:45 PM | message detail
Ocelot you suck ass. I don't care if you're probably going to win.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/16/2010 9:03:48 PM | message detail
Yeah Ocelot wins. I would call this for Red if it was 24 hours long, but night vote is gonna hurt.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/16/2010 9:03:50 PM | message detail
MGS typically has a fine board vote, yes? Pokemon's is just beastly. That, and brackets.
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Master Moltar | Posted 1/16/2010 9:04:04 PM | message detail
go ocelot show em your handgesture
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:04:07 PM | message detail
Come on Ocelot don't die now.
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Character Battle VIII - 1/2 - Today's Winners: Ocelot and Mega Man X
swirIdude | Posted 1/16/2010 9:04:16 PM | message detail
Getting the bad feeling that Ocelot will win this one in the overnight hours and Red won't have the steam to catch up in the morning.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:04:21 PM | message detail
Red's got the morning vote ahead of him too. Too early to call it.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/16/2010 9:04:28 PM | message detail
Pokemon Trainer Red 54.24%

652
Revolver Ocelot 45.76%

550
TOTAL VOTES 1202

100 vote lead.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/16/2010 9:04:40 PM | message detail
Red finally passes the 100-vote barrier.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:04:46 PM | message detail
And the lead is over 100!
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/16/2010 9:04:47 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #022
Red's got the morning vote ahead of him too. Too early to call it.


Sadly for Red, theres less morning hours then night hours on a weekend.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:11 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #022
Red's got the morning vote ahead of him too. Too early to call it.


Didn't give Link enough time to pass 80% on Thrall.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:37 PM | message detail
Apparently Red's putting up a better fight than i thought.

Thought for sure Ocelot was just gonna pop Red with the SAA and move on to his next opponent.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:39 PM | message detail
Wow looks like Ocelot just gave up after that. I wonder if he had the bracket vote?
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:40 PM | message detail
Red up by 124 votes, next update is important.
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Character Battle VIII - 1/2 - Today's Winners: Ocelot and Mega Man X
LeonhartFour | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:43 PM | message detail
Alucard with 53.09% of the brackets.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:44 PM | message detail
Uh, this being a weekend match gives Red hope. Morning vote is basically an ASV, which he wouldn't have it was a normal match.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:49 PM | message detail
hmm ocelot kinda fell that last minute. Lets see how this next update is. It can be very telling... if Red stabilizes he probably has it.
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swirIdude | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:52 PM | message detail

From: Not_Wylvane | #027
Didn't give Link enough time to pass 80% on Thrall.


The higher your %, the harder it is to increase it.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:52 PM | message detail
Red spiked for about 40 votes within 10 seconds once the lead passed 100.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:05:58 PM | message detail
Red did very well in the last minute to extend his lead to 126.

And Link may not have gotten to 80%, but he finished higher than he was at at the 1 hour mark.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....
Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/16/2010 9:06:21 PM | message detail
That said, I do think Red will hold on to the lead. He spiked up a bit that last minute, and Ocelot isn't really strong enough to wrestle power away from him.

What a stupid rally.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:06:39 PM | message detail
not liking this last minute for Red.
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Character Battle VIII - 1/2 - Today's Winners: Ocelot and Mega Man X
charmander6000 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:07:41 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3732&region=CA

Canada loves Pokemon.
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Character Battle VIII - 1/2 - Today's Winners: Ocelot and Mega Man X
UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/16/2010 9:08:10 PM | message detail
Red has an hour of this. If the next update is huge, Ocelot's night vote might not matter.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/16/2010 9:08:52 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3732&region=EUR

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paraboxx | Posted 1/16/2010 9:09:02 PM | message detail
Hmm. On the one hand, I'm satisfied to see Red brought down to earth, but on the other, I picked him to win here. Don't disappoint us too much, dammit!

Meanwhile, only 53% of the brackets went with Alucard. Guess Magus still has some people behind him.
red sox 777 | Posted 1/16/2010 9:09:24 PM | message detail
I see. Europe hates me, obviously.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/16/2010 9:09:50 PM | message detail
Look on the bright side: Australia loves you, mate!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/16/2010 9:09:51 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #041
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3732&region=EUR


Red is toast over night.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/16/2010 9:10:00 PM | message detail
Surprised the casuals were so split between the two.

Looking forward to the prediction percentages for this match.
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Xeybozn | Posted 1/16/2010 9:10:03 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #041
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3732&region=EUR

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Europe had 1/6 of the votes in Link/Thrall, so this could actually give Ocelot a good chance.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/16/2010 9:10:15 PM | message detail
Hmmm...

I think Red's okay.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/16/2010 9:10:17 PM | message detail
Red wins.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/16/2010 9:10:25 PM | message detail
well... I'd say Red has a good shot at this
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