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Other than ONE DAY, I've let it go just fine. And I was totally provoked.
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11/15/2009 - Never forget 4th and 2.

Let's all have a hearty lol at Ulti, the last man left standing who cares about Mario/Samus!
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According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer!

Match III: (5) Pokemon Trainer Red vs. (12) Revolver Ocelot

Information

Name: Pokemon Trainer Red
Game/Series: Pokemon
Previous Contest: N/A
Performance: N/A

Name: Revolver Ocelot
Game/Series: Metal Gear
Previous Contest: 2008
Performance: 3rd in round 1

Analysis

While this match received a fair amount of talk during the bracket making period the talk was more about where Red ranks in the grand scheme of things rather than the overall match which is quite a shame since Ocelot is a good marker for Red. It seems that this board has gone crazy over Pokemon since the previous contest and while that’s fine by my books it does lead to the overestimation of some characters.

Out of the new characters in this bracket Red easily has the biggest range and you’ll get different answers to where he is ranked depending on who you asked. Ocelot on the other hand has established himself to be around a low mid-carder unless he decides to get his MGS4 boost like the other characters which then I feel that this match won’t have much debate, though my range for him is a bit lower than those that think Red can compete with elite characters.

While Red is from one of the most popular game on GameFAQs the game is consider to have the ultimate ensemble cast and given previous characters from those types of games it is likely that Red will be another great example of why games and characters do not equal each other. Also while he is technically the main character of the game it is the Pokemon that are truly the stars of the game while Red is more of a vessel that keeps them all together. Heck even in Brawl he’s stuck in the background while his Pokemon are the stars.

Speaking of Brawl I really do think his picture for this match will hurt him more than help. Sure the Brawl version looks like the Pokemon version, but the memories aren’t there and given other Brawl characters from the previous contest I don’t expect Brawl to pick up the slack. Will the picture make a difference? Well if Ocelot barely wins this match you’ll see a lot of people considering that to be a factor.

Hype for Red feels like a board creation to me. Many people who play Pokemon couldn’t care less about the guy they play as, heck most people probably never even called him by that name as most opt to use their own creation mostly due to there being three options rather than the single default name that most games have. While I believe that Ocelot will win this match if Red does manage to pull off the win he will at least expose Red of being nowhere close to being near elite.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Revolver Ocelot > Pokemon Trainer Red

charmander6000’s Prediction: Ocelot wins, 54.37% - 45.63%

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Character Battle VIII - 0/0 - Today's Winner: Link and Magus

From: swirIdude | #402
Let's all have a hearty lol at Ulti, the last man left standing who cares about Mario/Samus!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=53089467
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Now this is entertainment!

From: RPGuy96 | #397
I don't think anything will ever be as bad as Vincent/Kerrigan.

Vincent/Dante was pretty bad, too.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

From: Biolizard28 | #404
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=53089467

What the bugger is this?

Although looking at who made the topic tells you all you need to know.
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Soul started it.
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How many perfects and how many zeroes do we lose?
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I'll say 40% lost both ways.
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Is a momentary gleam all you need?

I think I'll be avoiding the Stats Topic tomorrow. Whatever the result, this place is going to be...bad.

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This place will be GLORIOUS.
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"

At least Magus is going to win Arkansas.
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

I think I'll be avoiding the Stats Topic tomorrow. Whatever the result, this place is going to be...bad.

Not really if Ocelot wins we laugh at the Red supporters, if Red wins in a close one nothing happens, but if Red gets mid 60s Red > MMX hype will start.
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Character Battle VIII - 0/0 - Today's Winner: Link and Magus

I'll still be here even if 4chan cheats Red to victory, since that would be the only way he has a chance of beating Ocelot!
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Hyrule Division: Round 1 - Match 3 – (5) Pokemon Trainer Red vs. (12) Revolver Ocelot

Moltar’s Analysis

Red
Thanks Stats Topic for ruining any desire for me to even see Red in this contest.

Ocelot
Oh Ocelot, you always disappoint me. However, this time will be different!

Red is a wildcard. He could have strength, he could be weak. I don’t really care about guessing where he’ll end up though. All I’m concerned with is if he’ll beat Ocelot here. I’m going to say yes.

I’m not picking Red here because I believe he’s strong. I’m picking him because I have no faith in Revolver “Hey I lost to Pac-Man” Ocelot. Sure, that was in 2005, but what has Ocelot done since then? I’ll tell you. Barely beat Jill with Cloud in the poll (yes I believe Cloud hurt both, but Jill was hit harder than Ocelot), lost to Marcus Fenix, and then in 2008, after his glorious role in MGS4, he goes and loses to Jill in a fair match.

Don’t get me wrong, Ocelot has a good shot here, and I think it will be a close match. However, I’ll back the unknown Red here. Everything Pokemon has been on fire lately, and R/B/Y’s performance in the Games Contest is nothing to brush off. I don’t know about all this Pokemon Trainer/avatar nonsense, but it’s got Pokemon in the name and a Brawl picture so it’s going to get the votes.

So in the end, you’re betting on either Red to have decent strength or Ocelot not to disappoint. I think the choice is clear.

Moltar’s Bracket: Red > Ocelot

Moltar’s Prediction: Red: 54% - Ocelot: 46%



Lopen’s Analysis

I'll just cut right to the jib, here, cause I'm sure this one was argued to death pre-contest: Pokemon was never about the trainer. No one gives a damn about the trainer. It's about the pokemon. I mean its name isn't even Ash so you can't even hope for the anime to help. (though I really hope no one would actually vote for him based on that!) Pokemon's shown it can be weak in dudes like Lucario. It's shown first gen can be weak in crap like Nidoran F and sadly even Jigglypuff from the vote-in. Course you're gonna have people like KP and ngirl sayin "BUT GOSH EVERYONE I KNOW LOVES HIM" well, can't really say I've ever seen this... and speaking personally, only trainer I'd think about voting for over much anything is the DP trainer. At least I could pick her gender!

So, way I see it, dude's got so little Pokemon support that he's probably getting half of his strength from Brawl (hey look at the pic, too), and we all know Brawl fodder. Doesn't help that it's a night match-- which we can't really be sure too much either way how much of an effect it has given that Link was looking like crap his whole match against Thrall and the match afterwards was goth vs vampire in a battle for the day vote-- but if it helps anyone it helps ol Shalashaska the most.

Now of course, the opponent is Revolver Ocelot. Dude found a way to lose to Pac-Man. I give Red a slight chance of advancing here just because I don't trust Ocelot as far as I can throw him, but I'd be surprised to see Red outdo Pac-Man on Ocelot... meaning a narrow win or nothing at all, with his reward being a stomping by Mega Man X.

Lopen's prediction:
Ocelot with 65.12%



Transience’s Analysis

Oh god, here it is. Nobody has generated more controversy than this stupid Pokemon trainer. Let's get this over with.

I've seen people talk about Red being as strong as Crono and as weak as King Dedede. The argument for him is simple: he is the main character of a top 10 game on this site, perhaps a top 3 game. The argument against him is devastating, though: the trainer is pretty much a non-entity and no one plays the games for him. I would argue that the main character of Pokemon is your starter, not the avatar you play as. There is a good reason that half a dozen Pokemon made the contest before he did. Hell, in 2008 when every Brawl character known to man made the contest, the Pokemon trainer couldn't find a way to make it. Even Lucas made it! His game never even came out in this country!

I subscribe to the idea that this guy is a joke. He could get absolutely devastated here and he has zero chance against Mega Man X. However, we're talking about Revolver Ocelot. Ocelot confuses the hell out of me. I pick him wrong every contest. This is a guy that gets MGS4 and somehow gets weaker. This is a guy that lost to a mouth. This is a guy that lost to Marcus Fenix.

If Ocelot ever actually lives up to his MGS4 billing as supervillain, he would destroy Red and give MMX a decent fight. For whatever reason though he hasn't done it. If you ask me who I'm picking in a match between Pac-Man and Red, I'd probably go with Red. This site is Pokemon-obsessed enough for this to happen. Ocelot lost to Pac-Man. I don't feel good about the pick at all, but I'm going to stick with the blank avatar here.

If nothing else, Red has Brawl. That has to mean something... right? Sure, he sucks and no one cares about him at all, but Nintendo fans are crazy. They'll support anything.

Let's just put my prediction in before I change my mind and take Ocelot to win with like 146%

pokemon trainers
nobody cares about them
I choose hand gesture

transience's prediction: Pokemon Trainer Red with 51.99%



Ngamer’s Analysis

If we assume Squall = Auron (seems reasonable enough- in fact my bracket is riding on it!), '05 and '06 tell us that Magus beats Alucard head to head with about 56%. Instead, we're looking at *checks quick* 58.50%... for Alucard. I mean, I've been saying all along how our old 1v1 stats and results were going to be highly suspect after such a long time off, but I didn't expect them to already be proven useless on opening day! Just don't understand how Magus could have fallen off the face of the earth like this... is this shift CT-specific, or is GameFAQs really starting to lose its status as the web's most RPG-friendly site? Perhaps tomorrow's result will help shed a little light on the matter.

Ah, good ol' Ocelot. The guy who was easily beaten by Pac-Man, got nearly doubled by Bowser, then managed a loss to Jill Valentine despite perfect timing from MGS4. Ugly stuff... soooo, why do I feel so nervous about picking Red? I suppose it's mostly because this terrible performance from Magus has shaken my belief in our "board favorites"- maybe Alucard's win was only the first of a couple dozen times where we get our heads handed to us by the casuals? Because sure, we all love to beat the drum when it comes to "games != characters", but would anyone really be picking Red here if not for Pokemon's fantastic run in '09? Really?

Hmm... nay, too early to start abandoning my bracket; I'm sticking with Red for the win, but wouldn't be surprised in the least if this came right down to the final couple hours. It'll also be the first real opportunity to test out my "dreaded Nintendo Night Match" theory, as MGS has always been a top performer in Europe, according to Geolocations. Perhaps we'll even see our first lead change of the year, before the Nintendo morning vote arrives to bail Red back out? Boy, that'd be something!

*crosses fingers*

Ngamer Says: Red > Ocelot, 51.16%

if he loses I am going to call him Pokemon Trainer from now on. He does not deserve a name if he loses to Ocelot
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Kleenex’s Analysis

Another match I'm not particularly looking forward too because regardless of who wins this match, the stats topic is going to be a disaster. On the bright side, it will be interesting to see what Pokemon's really made of. My prediction? Not much. Now, this is not to say I'm anti-Pokemon or anything, even though I do thing some of the Pokemania is a little much. I think Charizard will probably do well enough for himself, but I'm not feeling it for Red. This isn't to say Ocelot is a paragon of strength - he's embarrassed himself plenty of times in the past, losing to the likes of Pac-Man and Jill, whom he had just beaten the year before.

If this were a day match, I might change my tune a bit, but I just don't feel good about Red amounting to much. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he'll be Crono-level! Probably not, though. Sorry Pokefreaks.

Bracket: Ocelot
Favorites: Red
Prediction: Ocelot with 54.56%



Red Sox’s Analysis

Red > Megaman X is the upset special I have been hyping for the past month, and for several months before that I hyped Red’s enormous potential as a newcomer to contests. This match is the first test of his strength. Of course, this is a debated match on the board, and most people think that Red’s victory over even Ocelot is by no means guaranteed, even though he is heavily favored.

So what is Red’s potential? Red is the silent protagonist of Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, a game that is probably the #3 game on this site, based on the games contest we saw last year. RBY is about the same strength as Chrono Trigger, maybe a bit stronger, which suggests that Red could be as strong as Crono- Noble Niner level. He probably won’t be that strong, but the protagonist of any top 10 game automatically has a ton of potential, and the #3 game even moreso.

On the flip side, the argument is that people don’t care about human characters in Pokemon, only the pokemon. To me, this sounds a lot like the argument for Magus > Crono, but we shall shortly see whether or not it is true. It does make a lot of sense, which is why I’m giving Red a laughably huge range for this match (which, based on the first 2 matches, is somehow still going to miss the mark).

Prediction: Pokemon Trainer Red with 65%
Upset Chances: 5%
Upper Bound: Red with 73%
Lower Bound: Ocelot with 52%



Guest’s Analysis - Janus5000

Because the Pokemon themselves weren't enough for the series, people decided to see how the main character of the original series, Red, would fare in these. We've seen Pikachu and Mewtwo both impress, and some people have high hopes for Charizard (I have him making it to Bowser... but let's not get into that). Can Red equal Pikachu's performance? Does he even need to in order to beat a man who lost to Pac-Man?

The answer to both of these is no. In the game, Red is really just an avatar. Presumably, he's a good kid who takes care of his Pokemon and wants to be the very best as so on, but he's not exactly bursting with personality. Unlike, say, Link or Crono (or even Pikachu), however, Red's character is not exactly a compelling design. He's a boy who strongly resembles Ash Ketchum (which can't be a good thing). He's playable in Brawl, but of course his Pokeymans do the actual fighting. Red is essentially relying on nostalgia and a lot of Pokemon fans showing up to vote (I've personally never heard of a Red fan, but surely they exist).

Ocelot, meanwhile, has appeared in these contests on several occasions, although they haven't been exactly flattering. In the last battle, he lost in round 1 to Jill Valentine - while she may not be exactly weak, her performance against Sephiroth in the next round indicates that she's at best high end fodder. Even worse, this was -after- MGS4 came out. Since then, the site has shifted more toward the PS3, so that should only help... but by how much, and how much is needed?

From: charmander6000 | #414
I think I'll be avoiding the Stats Topic tomorrow. Whatever the result, this place is going to be...bad.

Not really if Ocelot wins we laugh at the Red supporters, if Red wins in a close one nothing happens, but if Red gets mid 60s Red > MMX hype will start.

so wait

If Ocelot wins you gloat

But if Red wins nothing happens?

Never change, stats topic

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Funny you should mention that cause that's exactly what he's gonna make Red look like, Brawl fodder!
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Personally, I see Red as being fairly weak, since as I've said I've never heard of a Red fan and he doesn't have a lot of appeal aside from nostalgia. I -might- pick him to advance over Jill if he were in Ocelot's place, but only because he would stand out like crazy against Jill, Kratos and Heavy. Putting him on Ocelot's level doesn't seem unreasonable, but even if he were, we must remember that this match takes place at night. While the kiddies will inevitably wake up and whatnot, there will be no after-school vote to boost Red. This early in the contest, a lot of people may not remember that matches are 12 hours, and while later I might toy with the thought of the morning vote being more lopsided than usual, for the third match I doubt it will be. There should be no question who wins at night, either.

"What... is your favorite color?"
"Blue. No, YELLOW..."
Notice how red didn't even get mentioned.
Also, Red has six pokeballs. Ocelot's gun has six bullets. Coincidence?

Prediction: Revolver Ocelot with 55%



Crew Consensus: In another 4-3 decision, the newcomer Red is the Crew pick!

Lopen vs. red sox go go go

red sox gonna give Lopen a run for his money on the Crew this year with his outrageous picks!
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"

Glad this match is upon us, finally. Needs to be over.
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From: LeonhartFour | #419
Lopen vs. red sox go go go

red sox gonna give Lopen a run for his money on the Crew this year with his outrageous picks!

Like anyone could rival Lopen. Hell, red sox has been completely rational about Magus getting his ass whupped. That right there lost his chance to be the next Lopen.
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Upper Bound: Red with 73%

Oh really
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"I can set you free, mate."
"My freedom was forfeit long ago!"

Sigh......

Leon, you were right about the Sandbag round 2 thing. This makes a lot more sense following that match.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I was unaware I've been irrational.

Is that a problem of mine?
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From: Lopen | #429
I was unaware I've been irrational.

Is that a problem of mine?

That's the best kind of irrational!
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

No, your arguments are quite rational.

Rationality is quite bendable, though, like x-stats.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

...So Magus vs. Pac-Man: Who you got?

Just thought I'd ask since Magus is now on the same level with guys like Kefka and Ocelot.
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"

Hmph, I am always right; reality is frequently inaccurate.
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Mustache...and Green...
A cookie if you name the source!

Well hey I got both answers I was fishing for awesome guys.
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No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!

Isn't the source Superstar Saga...?
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"I can set you free, mate."
"My freedom was forfeit long ago!"

From: Lopen | #429
I was unaware I've been irrational.

Is that a problem of mine?

There's two types of irrational: The "good" irrational (Lopen) and the "bad" irrational (Vlado).

Basically, your irrationality is fun to watch because you're not a dickhole about it, so people love it. Vlado, on the other hand, is a douchebag, so people simply ignore him.
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so wait

If Ocelot wins you gloat

But if Red wins nothing happens?

Never change, stats topic

Why would anything happen if the favourite wins?
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Character Battle VIII - 0/0 - Today's Winner: Link and Magus

Yes because a literal even split with the analysis crew makes Red such a huge favorite that he deserves to be laughed at if he loses

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Heck if you were on the Crew, Ocelot would be favored.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Red's a pretty big board favorite. This isn't just about the Crew.

Now if Red wins with 60%+, then the Red supporters can brag. If Red barely wins, nobody's really surprised because that's what most of us expected.
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"Stay with me until the end. Please."
"Not until the end. Always."

I disagree friend I think my arguments have some merit if you look beyond the percentages! I'm teaching you all the art of um... Zen... or... something like that. A higher way of thinking. Look beyond the surface.

Red Sox is enlightened!

Anyway yeah I will make fun of Ocelot unless he breaks 60% so even if Ocelot wins some people might be rippin into him.
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Yes because a literal even split with the analysis crew makes Red such a huge favorite that he deserves to be laughed at if he loses

The BOP begs to differ.
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BOP doesn't really matter. No one...almost no one expects Red to win big, if at all. It's just one of those matches where the winner is in doubt but everyone just goes with the 'safe' pick.

If Red loses, it'll be disappointing, yeah. Nothing to gloat over. People have been yammering about Ocelot winning for months.

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People have been yammering about Ocelot winning for months.

What people?
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"So cold. I am always by your side."
"There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!"

I'm more interested in seeing how the casuals fall in predicting Red/Ocelot. I wonder if they even know who Red is, considering it's a rather obscure name unless you're in the Pokemon fanbase. Even casual fans who beat GSC may not recognize the name.

Of course, you can hover to get the game they're from, but you gotta wonder how many people actually even know about that, let alone utilize it.
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Not Wylvane

I think I've set myself up for failure here. I can't even gloat about Red unless he hits mid-60s, and if he loses I'll look like a complete idiot.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

From: KamikazePotato | #444
BOP doesn't really matter. No one...almost no one expects Red to win big, if at all. It's just one of those matches where the winner is in doubt but everyone just goes with the 'safe' pick.

If Red loses, it'll be disappointing, yeah. Nothing to gloat over. People have been yammering about Ocelot winning for months.

already defending himself before the match even begins

way to be optomistic!
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From: LeonhartFour | #445
People have been yammering about Ocelot winning for months.

What people?

Everyone in the Stats Topic? A lot of people on the board? I've seen more topics agonizing over Red/Ocelot than any other first round match.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Oh god the whining has started AND THE MATCH ISN'T EVEN HERE YET
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