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Well then Soul, what arguments have you made to support Alucard winning? I haven't seen a single thing aside from "Well he looked like crap in that Sandbag match", which is obviously a pointless argument given how weird Sonic's matches were all contest.

My arguments have not been for Alucard winning, they've been for Magus losing. In my eyes, Magus is fodder until he proves otherwise. Actually, scratch that. Kefka is fodder, Magus would be the weakest lower-midcard.

Alucard has decent enough strength (just about went 50/50 with Pikachu last year), so that should be more than enough to beat Magus.
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The primary argument against Magus seems to be that Magus sucks and he always manages to find new ways to fail.
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This is the best example of this. Luigi, Yoshi, and Bowser had huge boosts in 2005 while Mario had a large one. They seem to have fallen harder than Mario in 2008 too.

Luigi has fallen hard? I must have missed that.
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Okay it was bad wording.

Also we don't know if the characters will take a hit. All of the old Nintendo games did pretty well in the game contest, it seems like most people only have something against new Nintendo.
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From: red sox 777 | #302
The primary argument against Magus seems to be that Magus sucks and he always manages to find new ways to fail.

This argument works with Kefka, so why not!
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Eh, he only got 54% on Liquid last year. Then he won an SFF match with Bowser before getting fed to Mario. Inconcluive, I agree, but Luigi's original 2005 boost is the strongest piece of evidence supporting that theory.
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Alucard has decent enough strength (just about went 50/50 with Pikachu last year), so that should be more than enough to beat Magus.

Let's completely ignore the Falcon in the match.
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Kratos will be this contests biggest surprise.

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Aurion?
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I don't feel too good about Charizard > Kratos. I never wanted to take it in the first place, and only did it to be consistent with my Red hype train.
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Let's completely ignore the Falcon in the match.

Metroid beat Pokemon without SFF...
Ganondorf beat Mewtwo without SFF...
RBY was able to beat SFF from OoT (and others)...

Yet you're going to tell me that Captain Falcon of all characters was able to hold Pikachu back?
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The fact that he won that SFF match with Bowser tells me that Luigi didn't fall that hard, and definitely not as hard as Bowser and Yoshi have. Heck, it wasn't even a close match. I'd say the rest of the Mario party has fallen harder than Weegi has. Not to say he hasn't fallen (though I don't know if I blame all of that 54.5% on Luigi falling. Liquid was coming off MGS4, after all), but I wouldn't say he's fallen "hard."
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Ganondorf beat Mewtwo without SFF...

We got a future prognosticator, huh?
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Hey, I picked Kratos > Sora before all you guys!

You know what match I want to see? Link/Tingle. I imagine that would be 96-4 minimum, and we can also submit the IP addresses of Tingle voters to their local authorities. Win-freaking-win.
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RBY did get hurt by OOT though. That's the reason it only won with 51% against MGS and lost to FFX. It just didn't get pulverized like everything else from Nintendo did. The overlap and LFF was there, RBY just managed to stand up to OOT.
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We got a future prognosticator, huh?

Do you believe there was any SFF in that match?
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Oh, and there's got to be a reason why Alucard was able to lead Pikachu for a large portion of one match, and then suddenly get blown out by him the next match. It's not all the Anti-L-Block train either.

Heck, you can look at Pikachu's round 1 match, too. He beats Arthas decently more in round 2 than in round 1.

The idea that Pokemon doesn't get SFF'd/LFF'd at all is a fallacy. They don't get SFF'd hard, but they DO get SFF'd somewhat.
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From: XxSoulxX | #316
We got a future prognosticator, huh?

Do you believe there was any SFF in that match?

Ganondrof and Mewtwo have never faced until this contest.
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That's the reason it only won with 51% against MGS and lost to FFX.

Yeah, FFX > MGS
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Ganondorf beat Mewtwo without SFF...

I wish I had your powers of seeing the future, so what does Ganondorf get on Mewtwo on that match?


Yet you're going to tell me that Captain Falcon of all characters was able to hold Pikachu back?

Captain Falcon and Pikachu are huge fan favourites in Melee, so yes. Falcon would have given Alucard a run for his money if you removed Diddy Kong and Kratos Aurion. Also as always the board overrates Pokemon to hell and back. Pikachu isn't some near elite character.
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Do you believe there was any SFF in that match?

How are we supposed to know if Metroid/Pokemon were both lowered in popularity? We have no other series to compare them to. That's what we're saying happened with Pikachu and Falcon.
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RBY did get hurt by OOT though. That's the reason it only won with 51% against MGS and lost to FFX. It just didn't get pulverized like everything else from Nintendo did. The overlap and LFF was there, RBY just managed to stand up to OOT.

And it stood up to Metroid/Ganondorf/etc. Yes, there was an overlap of course, but not enough to say conclusively that there was enough LFF/SFF to screw up those matches.

Captain Falcon is not from the Zelda franchise. His franchise actually isn't even popular here. Why would he of all characters be stronger at LFFing a Pokemon entity than a character/game from the Zelda franchise?
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The fact that he won that SFF match with Bowser tells me that Luigi didn't fall that hard, and definitely not as hard as Bowser and Yoshi have. Heck, it wasn't even a close match. I'd say the rest of the Mario party has fallen harder than Weegi has. Not to say he hasn't fallen (though I don't know if I blame all of that 54.5% on Luigi falling. Liquid was coming off MGS4, after all), but I wouldn't say he's fallen "hard."

Mario series SFF has always been a huge mystery to me, and I've no idea what to make of anything from those matches. Bowser beats down Yoshi, then Yoshi beats Luigi easily and then Luigi beats Bowser? I've just been working with Luigi = Bowser = Yoshi until proven otherwise lately.
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Oh ****, my bad. I meant Mewtwo/Bowser. >_>
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Captain Falcon is not from the Zelda franchise. His franchise actually isn't even popular here. Why would he of all characters be stronger at LFFing a Pokemon entity than a character/game from the Zelda franchise?

He's a huge Smash favorite.
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Captain Falcon is not from the Zelda franchise. His franchise actually isn't even popular here. Why would he of all characters be stronger at LFFing a Pokemon entity than a character/game from the Zelda franchise?

As said before Ike was able to do that after watching Arthas in rounds 1 and 2.
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Captain Falcon is not from the Zelda franchise. His franchise actually isn't even popular here. Why would he of all characters be stronger at LFFing a Pokemon entity than a character/game from the Zelda franchise?

Smash Bros., bro. F-Zero doesn't have to be popular when Falcon's a fan favorite in Smash Bros.

Characters/games/series close in strength tend not to have lots of SFF in their matches anyway. Squall/Vincent, Bowser/Yoshi, Yoshi/Luigi, Cloud/Sephiroth (1-on-1 anyway), etc. None of those matches were blowouts, but it's not like there's no SFF involved. Using a close match like Pokemon/Metroid is a bad example, really.
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I've just been working with Luigi = Bowser = Yoshi until proven otherwise lately.

Pretty sure Luigi > Bowser has proven otherwise! Like I said, it wasn't even close enough to where you could say that Bowser could win a rematch.
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Yeah, FFX > MGS

Thanks to SSBM and FFVIII! I'd like to see FFX/MGS though- I figure it's pretty much an even match, but the board will split 80/20 or worse in favor of FFX in predictions.

And it stood up to Metroid/Ganondorf/etc. Yes, there was an overlap of course, but not enough to say conclusively that there was enough LFF/SFF to screw up those matches.

Captain Falcon is not from the Zelda franchise. His franchise actually isn't even popular here. Why would he of all characters be stronger at LFFing a Pokemon entity than a character/game from the Zelda franchise?

No SFF does not imply no LFF. Cloud didn't SFF Sephiroth in the 2003 final, but there's a very heavy overlap there.
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He's a huge Smash favorite.

Albion... defending a Smash character? Get out of here!

The point I'm trying to make is that Pokemon in general do not suffer from SFF/LFF like other characters/franchises. Yes, there's always SFF/LFF in just about every match, but Pokemon withstand it better then anyone else. Yes Falcon LFFed Pikachu, but from everything we've seen from that franchise before, you can pretty much conclude that it wasn't much.
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That's what we've been trying to say all along!
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That's what we've been trying to say all along!

I know. You guys just decided to nitpick my argument because I said there was no SFF/LFF! Argumentative asses you!
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But no =/= Not much!
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The point I'm trying to make is that Pokemon in general do not suffer from SFF/LFF like other characters/franchises. Yes, there's always SFF/LFF in just about every match, but Pokemon withstand it better then anyone else. Yes Falcon LFFed Pikachu, but from everything we've seen from that franchise before, you can pretty much conclude that it wasn't much.

- Fox SFF Pikachu in 2003
- Mewtwo/Toad LFF Bowser in 2007
- Arthas performed better in round 1 than round 2

Pokemon does overlap with other Nintendo characters, especially Smash Pokemon. Heck I have no problems calling Pikachu overrated last year because of his match against L-Block. Unless you think Falcon and Pikachu are close in strength since Falcon would give Alucard a match if you removed Diddy Kong and Kratos Aurion.
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- Fox SFF Pikachu in 2003

Pokemon was hated back then.

- Mewtwo/Toad LFF Bowser in 2007

I would say the majority of that came from Toad.

- Arthas performed better in round 1 than round 2

4% difference. What did he lose from round 1: An exciting back and forth match against Ike, and his many rallies from battlenet. He gained a stronger night character too. The rest can be explained by random variation/picture/whatever else.
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This poll really offends me. Uncharted 2 is SO much better than Modern Warfare 2.
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One can argue though that Spy hurt Arthas somewhat in that first match though
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I would say the majority of that came from Toad.

From a character who didn't even get 10%? I wonder

And 4% isn't "random variation."
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Pokemon was hated back then.

Based on 2002 Pikachu should have done a lot better, hated or not plus RSE just came out. Unless you think Pokemon was Nintendo back then a transformed into a non-Nintendo series because of the hate.


I would say the majority of that came from Toad.

While true Mewtwo affecting him is still a possibility



4% difference. What did he lose from round 1: An exciting back and forth match against Ike, and his many rallies from battlenet. He gained a stronger night character too. The rest can be explained by random variation/picture/whatever else.

4% difference when adding another Nintendo character, imagine if the match was 1v1. Also rallying without a bandwagon pretty much died when WoW did nothing against Oblivion.
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Based on 2002 Pikachu should have done a lot better, hated or not plus RSE just came out. Unless you think Pokemon was Nintendo back then a transformed into a non-Nintendo series because of the hate.

To Nintendo fans, Pokemon was disliked. To everyone else, Pokemon was hated. Fox was the benefit of that.
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Again Pikachu shouldn't have loss by that much, Fox wasn't that strong either back then.
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but back in those days good old G/S/C got wtfpwned by xenogears, the pikachu now is a totally different beast.
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I wouldn't really trust the Squall/Yoshi/CATS/Drake match in predicting Drake's strength too much.

At the same time the evidence is clear: Drake is worth nothing that year, and last place factor only enforces that point.
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Again, lol 2003 (seriously I don't like resorting to BT/Ulti like status here, stop bringing up data that should not even exist at this point!).
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As for Pikachu's strength, I tend to think he's probably around the high-micarder area. Yeah, he beat L-Block while Ryu couldn't (which is weird) yet there are performances that show he's not elite. I honestly think his ceiling is around Kirby/Luigi.
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What, did SFF not exist back in 2003? You're saying Pokemon doesn't have much overlap with other Nintendo characters yet here was one of my examples.
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What, did SFF not exist back in 2003? You're saying Pokemon doesn't have much overlap with other Nintendo characters yet here was one of my examples.

Do you think Pikachu from back then is equal to the Pikachu now?
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The best you can argue is that the few Pokemon fans were Nintendo fans, but those people don't disappear when Pokemon became cool again.


Anyways back to the entire point, Alucard still only performed 2% better than Amaterasu which is nothing special.
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That's not the point of his question.

By the way, seems kinda obvious that Pikachu got LFF'd in each of his last matches the last two contests anyway.
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Do you think Pikachu from back then is equal to the Pikachu now?

No, but that doesn't matter since if Pokemon was independent of Nintendo 2003 Pikachu wouldn't have been SFF.
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