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Yeah, the commercial's selling that it's like a movie, which goes back to my comment about him looking like he was cast for an action movie instead of being a bad-ass like Solid/Dante/Kratos/Hayabusa. That won't mean he'll eternally be weak, but the appeal is different.
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on a slightly different topic...

don't look now but jak and daxter are trying to pass comet crashers in patheticness
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How is that a bad thing.

Especially given this:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3717

Just means we have a new toy, "Nobunaga's Ambition: Iron Triangle" is 9 time weaker than CC.
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Bring it x-stats.

J&D is forgiven for still winning a poll and coming from a series. That NA:IT-game sucks hard though.


Off to bed, but one more thought: it was already brought up B:AA should be the #3 game here this year, but let's not forget AC2 too...that should be #4 with DA:O being #5. That would mean NSMBW shouldn't even be in the top five games this year...and, heck, considering the original-GotY there may be an argument for Borderlands to sneak by it too. Pretty poor performance for a console Mario-game on GameFAQs that'll outsell MW2.
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And the ONLY nintendo game on the poll.
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you're talking about a game on a system that's equivalent to handhelds and the PC. this shouldn't be a surprise. it's like Halo bombing in 2001.
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After yesterday, I'm surprised it's even doing this well. It's getting double what the Wii got.
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No surprise here.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2986
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993

Very compelling argument. If MW=MW2, UC2 might just boost Drake over The Boss after all. Honestly, I think the match is a toss-up, but I'm switching to Drake.

Another possible argument is that Squall's presence might've hurt Drake a little bit in his original contest appearance. They're 2 generations apart, yes, but they're both pretty big characters for Sony, or at least for playstation fans. They certainly have more in common than Squall and CATS do. And if the overlap was significant, there's no doubt at all that Squall would've been the beneficiary of that.


It's also worth noting that I myself, having played both UC1, UC2 and MGS3, would vote for Drake over the Boss. Drake is seriously an awesome guy (on a side note, MGS3 >> UC2 >> UC1 IMO). I would've voted for The Boss in previous years.

it takes effort to get people to play Uncharted, which is why it sold one tenth as much as MW2.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, and a faulty argument in the first place. Uncharted sold about 1/6th of MW2, but it has over half MGS3's sales, and UC1+UC2 > MGS3 in sales. It also sold amazingly well in general; MW2 should not be some benchmark.

Lastly, for all its sales, MW2 is really struggling to beat UC2 here.

Drake's design is appealing to those women. As I gather with their designs, Link appeals to the little boy in us, Solid appeals to the man's man in us, Kratos appeals to WTFKILLPOWER, and Drake appeals to hot women.

I agree that his design isn't particularly good. He doesn't get cool votes like Kratos or Altair would. But if you have played his games, it's hard to not to like him.


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I just think the MGS hardcores are more numerous than the uncharted 2 hardcore fans, MGS is the type of series where the hardcore vote matters because the side characters are so damn weak and I don't see casuals flocking to Drake.
I mean sure's he cynical, but I think that can have people dislike him and think of him as a jerk, his personality isn't that appealing and the design is very unoriginal, so I still say the boss has a very good chance of wining.
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Shakes Fist!

For those of you not in the know and wondering, I think this trailer really captures Drake and UC2 in general:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-uncharted-2/50337
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Hello, Dexter Morgan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dW_WoOZnPM

Ahem.

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^ If you had read my posts on the previous page, you might've known that I think MGS3 is a better game than Uncharted 2. There's no need for trailers to show MGS(3)'s awesomeness though, everyone here is familiar with that series.


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I think Drake's a great character (and from UC1, and the first half of UC2, his games are great), but I'd never vote him over The Boss. I think amongst people who've played both games (and I think a large % of people who've played a PS3 exclusive will have played MGS3), the vote will be pretty split. Outside that, MGS is much much stronger than UC so presumably lots of people will have played MGS3 but not UC/2, but few the other way around; even if The Boss is fodder, that'll help her. Amongst those who haven't played either? Dunno.

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The thing with that though is that The Boss is to MGS3 what Elena or Chloé is to Uncharted. If the match had been Elena/Chloé-The Boss, or UC1/2-MGS3, I would've sided with MGS both ways without a second thought (as anyone in their right mind would). Drake is bigger for UC than The Boss is for MGS3 though.
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Hello, Dexter Morgan

The Boss is pretty damn important in MGS3, and with the series as a whole.

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nah, Meryl or Eva might be the Chloe/Elena of the franchise, plotwise The Boss is one of the most important characters out there in the MGSverse and a lot of things have been set in motion due to either her ideals or what she meant to different characters and the many fans know it.
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Yep, still taking The Boss. Still have no faith in Drake. He'd have to, what, triple his strength to take on The Boss? Have we ever seen fodder even double their strength?

Also, Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko Niko

As for today's poll, great performances by Uncharted 2 and DA:O. NSMBW's much weaker than I expected, and ODST is just pathetic. I called Dissidia > ODST, but doubling it, when Dissidia has to contend with two other Square games? Damn. Plus J&D finally dethrones FF5A for worst GotY performance. If this isn't proof that the PS2 GotY poll is a pointless waste of time, nothing is.

Finally, tell me how MW2 does on Comet Crash through FF4TAY.
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if you combine all the square games, don't they have more votes than mario right now?
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Finally, tell me how MW2 does on Comet Crash through FF4TAY.

MW2 would be expected to get 99.62% on Comet Crash through FFIV.


As for Niko, I think he's in the category of everyone just siding with the same person. His chances don't look good though with RE5 out for Jill and everything.
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And what does MW2 get on Nobunaga's Ambition: Iron Triangle?
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Because it must be worse.

And what does MW2 get on Nobunaga's Ambition: Iron Triangle?

99.58%


I think Comet Crash needs to make the contest.
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so if we plug in MW2 as equal to CoD4 what on earth does Ocarina of Time get on Comet Crash?
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Shakes Fist!

so if we plug in MW2 as equal to CoD4 what on earth does Ocarina of Time get on Comet Crash?

Using best case COD4 - 99.78%
Using worst case COD4 - 99.86%

Of course we all know that CC will benefit from anti-votes.
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From: charmander6000 | #274
so if we plug in MW2 as equal to CoD4 what on earth does Ocarina of Time get on Comet Crash?

Using best case COD4 - 99.78%
Using worst case COD4 - 99.86%

Of course we all know that CC will benefit from anti-votes.

And the fact that fodder doesn't scale up correctly. There is nothing in this world that could get only 112-176 votes in an 80,000 vote match, which is what those stats suggest it would.
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Though that would be hilarious.

But anyway, we need a Game of the Decade poll, where MW2 gets flattened, FFX wins and then we go through FFX in the BGE2 final.
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For even better results.

Or any of the Nintendo in that poll that can be pushed through an OoT squash match, depending on what works out better.
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There are things to try.

either way i don't think we'll be able to get anything on a theoretical 99.9% on comet Crash.
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From: charmander6000 | #274
so if we plug in MW2 as equal to CoD4 what on earth does Ocarina of Time get on Comet Crash?

Using best case COD4 - 99.78%
Using worst case COD4 - 99.86%

Of course we all know that CC will benefit from anti-votes.

And the fact that fodder doesn't scale up correctly. There is nothing in this world that could get only 112-176 votes in an 80,000 vote match, which is what those stats suggest it would.

DMC vs DMC2 in a poll!

I can understand the argument that Drake is unpopular because of appeal rather than popularity. Although he only had one game and ratchet had plenty, the guy was destined to get blown away by even him despite having games maybe as big as one of his new releases.

So if appeal is the case, then even his game is not enough to bring him over the hump, but how many new guys or characters have we seen as weak as Drake, and how big were their games? Let's look at people like Agent 47, Frank West, etc; all of these guys are considerably bigger than Drake last year, and their games weren't exactly miles ahead.
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you could make case for the hitman franchise as a whole is probably more established than the uncharted one though.
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Shakes Fist!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2627
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Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

tomb raider was clearly stealing all the hitman votes.
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Shakes Fist!

Amaterasu/Shadow, your thoughts?

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I wouldn't really trust the Squall/Yoshi/CATS/Drake match in predicting Drake's strength too much. It's a 4-way, and Drake was last by a lot, so there's inherently a potential for Last Place Factor. The other thing is that CATS actually did really well there compared with his last 1v1 appearance- 15% on Squall, Yoshi, and Drake is a whole lot better than 20% on Sonic alone.
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From: Dilated Chemist | #284
Amaterasu/Shadow, your thoughts?

Shadow is one of three characters I will never pick to win a match over someone decent again until they prove to me they're capable of doing so.

(The other two are Magus and Kefka, in case you're wondering)
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Man, at first I thought that Drake/The Boss had some of the best arguments, but at this point I almost want to pick The Boss just out of spite.

I sooo hope at this point that The Boss gets like 60%. That will be so satisfying.
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Amaterasu/Shadow, your thoughts?

Only take Shadow if you think there's Nintendo/Sonic overlap or if you think 4-ways has hurt the series.
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I have secret arguments against Drake that I don't want to make public for fear of ridicule. On match day, you'll all see.
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So, with God of War 3 coming out on the 16th of March and Sora/Bowser vs. Kratos will be held on the 15th of March (this is assuming he gets pass Charizard)... how do you see that playing out?

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Kratos will overperform, but Sora's still on a much higher level.
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There's a Charizard in the way.
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I've been thinking and came up with a theory:

We know that it takes more to boost stronger characters than weaker characters. To use the most extreme example, give a game like Dissidia to Tanner and he'll 90-10 his former self, while Cloud will probably barely budge from it.

But, there are strength gaps between characters from the same game or series, and so, if it takes more to move stronger characters, they should NOT boost or drop proportionally. Rather, stronger characters will boost or fall less than weaker characters. If a boost causes 2010 Mario to get 55% on 2008 Mario, we'd expect Luigi get more than 55% on his 2008 self. Similarly, if there were another deboost and Mario fell to 45% on his 2008 self, we'd expect Luigi to fell to less than 45% on his former self.

Let's look at the contest histories of a few games/series to see if this does happen:

The Legend of Zelda: Link boosted in 2004. It's hard to place Ganondorf in 2003 thanks to Magus, but he probably boosted more than Link. Zelda's boost from 2003 to 2005 is inconclusive.

Final Fantasy VII: Vincent and Tifa got DoC and KH2, so we can't really use them here. Aeris has declined much faster since 2003, the peak of FFVII strength, than Cloud and Sephiroth, which is a point in the theory's favor.

Super Mario Bros.: This is the best example of this. Luigi, Yoshi, and Bowser had huge boosts in 2005 while Mario had a large one. They seem to have fallen harder than Mario in 2008 too.

Chrono Trigger: The gap between Crono and Magus has increased as both characters fell in strength. It's hard to tell with Frog, but going by his performances against Samus, his proportion with Crono probably stayed even at best- and Frog has reason to do better relative to Crono thanks to his contest history.
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I thought it was agreed that Charizard is doing nothing in that match.
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No, it wasn't. But it is one of those matches where no one is going to change their minds until the contest starts.
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Similarly, if there were another deboost and Mario fell to 45% on his 2008 self, we'd expect Luigi to fell to less than 45% on his former self.

What? Why would a side character drop less than the main character? That doesn't make sense.
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What? Why would a side character drop less than the main character? That doesn't make sense.

He'd drop more. But I already explained the reasoning behind the theory in the post above- because it takes more impact on the site to shift a stronger character's strength than a weaker character's.
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well if the side character is a fan favourite maybe, but for the mario series that's just not the case.
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Shakes Fist!

I know it just seemed that point contradicted your post.

So what are you getting at? If Magus 60/40s Alucard Crono 55/45 himself looks good?
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I know it just seemed that point contradicted your post.

So what are you getting at? If Magus 60/40s Alucard Crono 55/45 himself looks good?

It didn't contradict my post- I said that if Mario fell to 45% of his former self, Luigi would fall to less than 45% of his former self- i.e. he'd fall more.

And yeah, basically. Magus and Frog should get a larger boost from CTDS than Crono. Similarly you could see Nintendo characters flopping left and right this contest and Link will still cruise to his 6th championship.
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