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red sox 777 | Posted 1/11/2010 9:18:56 PM | message detail
When does Dragon Age take the lead on Mario? Can it do it inside the hour?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 1/11/2010 9:18:59 PM | message detail
I don't think that's a particularly good argument, because it's pretty clear that CT and especially Magus have fallen off a cliff in the last few years. Sandbag, who beat Magus, managed all of 30% on Sonic once he was out of contention, and Sonic and Crono are probably still about equal.

Now, the obvious counter is that Alucard has also tripped up quite considerably, but that's a topic for another post.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 9:19:41 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #151
When does Dragon Age take the lead on Mario? Can it do it inside the hour?


Yeah, and should be able to build a nice lead overnight to give it cushin for the Mario day vote. Dragon Age has done great in europe and asia in previous matches
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/11/2010 9:19:49 PM | message detail
MGS3 smashing this poll is understood. MW2 isn't taking it to RE4.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 9:20:40 PM | message detail
Oh... an Uncharted 2 cut.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/11/2010 9:20:56 PM | message detail
Yeah, actually, there's a huge problem with it in that Alucard actually got close to 36% on Crono directly in 2008, which should be worth more than 2006 stats. But if you want to ignore 4-ways, as of 2006, I think Magus is pretty clearly ahead.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/11/2010 9:22:15 PM | message detail
Well FF6 would smash Gears of War (when it was "big", at least), but Kefka still lost handily to Marcus Fenix.

If Drake can manage to have a game shoot him to the Duke Nukems of the world, he's right back in it.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2010 9:22:36 PM | message detail
yeah, I'm just saying that you can't just back Drake to win because The Boss hasn't had a chance to show you anything. if you put MGS3 in this poll people would back Boss en masse. be careful with one-sided data.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 9:24:09 PM | message detail

From: transience | #158
yeah, I'm just saying that you can't just back Drake to win because The Boss hasn't had a chance to show you anything. if you put MGS3 in this poll people would back Boss en masse. be careful with one-sided data.


The main thing with Drake though is that Uncharted never really impressed before, and of course Drake lost to Cats. Seeing Uncharted itself improve this much since the last game should mean the character himself should receive a comparable boost.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 9:25:24 PM | message detail
and dragon age leads!
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/11/2010 9:26:37 PM | message detail
Uncharted is really giving this a go. MW2 has to endure 14 hours of falling from now on until it gets to the ASV.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2010 9:26:41 PM | message detail
Uncharted 1 was a slow burn, a new IP that took some time to get its legs. it sold steadily throughout its lifecycle, pretty comparably to Uncharted 2 actually. Uncharted 2 isn't THAT much bigger. the PS3 might be that much bigger on this website though and that will matter.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 1/11/2010 9:27:11 PM | message detail
After just finishing Assassin's Creed 2 I'm seriously thinking of changing my Liquid Snake pick to Altair.

Damnit.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 1/11/2010 9:27:49 PM | message detail
I didn't even bother checking that match because I remembered Alucard completely falling apart (as was his plan, to knock L-Block out, presumably). That I remembered him doing so badly and he still put up 36% makes me feel oddly confident, despite percentages sucking in fourways.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/11/2010 9:29:32 PM | message detail
I didn't even bother checking that match because I remembered Alucard completely falling apart (as was his plan, to knock L-Block out, presumably). That I remembered him doing so badly and he still put up 36% makes me feel oddly confident, despite percentages sucking in fourways.

I think he was at some absurdly low percentage after the first 5 minutes, but ended up recovering after the power hour was over and finished with a decent performance.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2010 9:34:14 PM | message detail
regardless of who wins here between MW2 and U2, the question becomes who benefits by removing these other games?

I would say MW2 because it's multiplatform and therefore more people have played it.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/11/2010 9:34:59 PM | message detail
I want to see 2009 vs. OOT.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 9:36:35 PM | message detail

From: transience | #166
regardless of who wins here between MW2 and U2, the question becomes who benefits by removing these other games?

I would say MW2 because it's multiplatform and therefore more people have played it.


If Uncharted 2 somehow wins goty here, then nobody will have any excuse for going for the weakest MGS character to beat Drake anymore.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/11/2010 9:37:52 PM | message detail
yeah, I'm just saying that you can't just back Drake to win because The Boss hasn't had a chance to show you anything. if you put MGS3 in this poll people would back Boss en masse. be careful with one-sided data.

True, and I think I've given The Boss a little more consideration than others because I tried to give her some credit in the vote-in polls...but we both know the flaw in comparing MGS3/Uncharted 2 to The Boss/Drake, plus in like forty days Uncharted 2's gone from getting ~47% on NSMBW to ~62%. Not only that, it's gunning for MW2 (though I think this could be flawed logic). Considering I thought The Boss/Drake was near-even beforehand, this is a big-enough change for me to jump ship.

Watch this bite me in the ass, plus I still want her to win, but this is much better from Uncharted 2 than I expected.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/11/2010 9:38:08 PM | message detail
Up in the sky...

It's a bird!
It's a plane!
It's games =/= characters!
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/11/2010 9:39:43 PM | message detail
It's games =/= characters!

Of course games = characters. Or at least, it goes something like characters = a + b*games.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/11/2010 9:39:55 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #169
plus in like forty days Uncharted 2's gone from getting ~47% on NSMBW to ~62%.


And this says a whole lot more about the reliability of these polls than it does about Drake's chances.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 9:40:20 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #170
Up in the sky...

It's a bird!
It's a plane!
It's games =/= characters!


Drake is an action game character who is easy to like.

Most action game characters are stronger then their game counterparts, no?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/11/2010 9:41:51 PM | message detail
Eh, if Drake is anything like Marcus Fenix, he's got this easy. The Boss isn't exactly near Ocelot or anything.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2010 9:42:49 PM | message detail
Drake is not Kratos or Snake. he's probably equivalent to his game, not a mile stronger.

looks like Batman was the third strongest game this year.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 9:43:31 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #174
Eh, if Drake is anything like Marcus Fenix, he's got this easy. The Boss isn't exactly near Ocelot or anything.


thats the main point. He doesn't need to be that strong to beat the Boss. Only fodder line; And to be the main character of a goty caliber game thats not a FPS is more then enough to be fodder line.
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Classadelphia | Posted 1/11/2010 9:47:21 PM | message detail
man first time checking out the contest... seriously 12 hour matches? What a terrible, terrible twist. Day/Night trends affecting so many matches is jacked up.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/11/2010 9:50:37 PM | message detail
I think it's the best twist we could have gotten. Any form of 1v1 seems like a godsend at this point, and this format will make those boring 60/40 matches much more bearable while exciting matches will still be exciting.

The bracket does have a lot of lost potential, but I love the format itself.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 1/11/2010 9:53:01 PM | message detail
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/12/2010 12:48:46 AM | message detail | filter | #401
My Master Chief upset is dead if round 3 is sprites vs mega man ><

Just in reply to this from last topic,

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LOLContests | Posted 1/11/2010 10:01:51 PM | message detail
Most action game characters are stronger then their game counterparts, no?

Didn't work out that way for Drake last time.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/11/2010 10:06:35 PM | message detail
And this says a whole lot more about the reliability of these polls than it does about Drake's chances.

Yeah, these polls always tend to throw us for a loop, but that's still a BIG change I wasn't counting on (don't think any of us expected it to put up this kind of fight either). I hate to so blatantly agree with Albion, but the stars of GotY-contenders that get into contests tend to at least break the fodder-line. CoD4/MW2 should probably be the only recent exceptions here, and that's because nobody really plays those games for the story or characters...and even then, we don't know for sure Price and Soap won't do break it too. Uncharted 2's release helped start Sony's age of being respected again and the PS3 shedding its hate. Throw in his commercials and seeding, and it's becoming clear he's accepted. He may not beat The Boss by much, but right now it's hard to count on Drake still being fodder.

I still feel dirty for switching, but it doesn't feel right to keep fighting Drake after this; he's not going to be the same guy we saw in 2008. I don't think even the people who have been saying that to us before today expected Uncharted 2 to be doing like this today.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/11/2010 10:09:00 PM | message detail

From: nintendogirl1 | Posted: 1/12/2010 12:53:01 AM | #179
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/12/2010 12:48:46 AM | message detail | filter | #401
My Master Chief upset is dead if round 3 is sprites vs mega man ><

Just in reply to this from last topic,

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/cyndipics/Contest%20pics/MMMCR3.png


You finally figured out both characters facing left was a bad idea? =p
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/11/2010 10:16:25 PM | message detail
Like I said before Uncharted 2 can win the GotY handily and I still won't take Nathan. I still think the winner of the match won't win with more than 55% and this was all pre-contest.


The thing that I'm more interested in is The Boss's performance in the vote-in polls, I know 12-way isn't that great to follow, but the internal heirarchy of series tends to remain the same. Finishing above Raiden is an accomplishment if I do say so myself.


Also lol Halo ODST, how did the 360 get so close to the PS3?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 10:21:03 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #183
Like I said before Uncharted 2 can win the GotY handily and I still won't take Nathan. I still think the winner of the match won't win with more than 55% and this was all pre-contest.


There is cautious and then there is being a fool.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/11/2010 10:25:55 PM | message detail
Let's completely ignore The Boss beating Raiden in the vote-in polls. A lot of new characters that do well in the GotY end up around the fodder line, Nathan isn't winning by more than 55%.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/11/2010 10:27:08 PM | message detail
We all have to cheer on Dragon Age, because how good will it be to see Gamefaqs actually have a goty final poll without a single Japanese game in it?

Even better: A GotY poll without a single Nintendo game in the top 3. In the past, the top 3 has always consisted of at least one Nintendo game, with the exception of the GotY poll from 1999 (but that one was a real disaster anyways apart from FFVIII).
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 10:30:16 PM | message detail
I'm just saying that sometimes when everything points towards a certain outcome, being too cautious to change your mind can be the wrong thing to do
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/11/2010 10:33:11 PM | message detail
When I made my bracket I took The Boss thinking it was an upset pick, I knew Uncharted 2 was one of the biggest games of the year, but I think those polls have burned us enough times.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 1/11/2010 10:34:08 PM | message detail
Not everything.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3265
It's pointed to a lot, but it's still shows Drake putting up an absolutely abysmal performance. Uncharted 2 causing Drake to double in strength would be an amazing boost and it still means he loses to CATS.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 10:36:18 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2986
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993

You mean this type of boost?
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/11/2010 10:36:46 PM | message detail
I think we can completely ignore Uncharted 1 when it comes to Nathan's strength. All it tells us is that Nathan didn't appeal to the few Uncharted fans in 2008.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 10:37:42 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #191
I think we can completely ignore Uncharted 1 when it comes to Nathan's strength. All it tells us is that Nathan didn't appeal to the few Uncharted fans in 2008.


No, it tells us it was a complete joke game back then that got beat by a game that got 3% in the overall goty poll... and now its nearly winning the goty poll.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 10:40:06 PM | message detail
And if Uncharted 1 was a joke in the 2007 goty polls, and now its one of the top games... why is it so hard to believe Mr. Drake has had an insane boost as well?
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/11/2010 10:41:17 PM | message detail
Yeah, The Boss impressed in the vote-ins by beating Raiden, but now that I'm off her train I can bring up the fear I had about trusting that too much: I imagine Raiden is pretty terrible with MGS-SFF and there was a ton of SFF/LFF in that poll. Raiden/The Boss, Axel/Lightning, three Pokemon plus Toad, four fighting game characters (counting Jigglypuff on technicality)...

...I'm with you in that I think it makes The Boss look better against Drake, but it's not foolproof either.
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ZFS | Posted 1/11/2010 10:41:20 PM | message detail
Whoa, go Uncharted 2.

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charmander6000 | Posted 1/11/2010 10:43:41 PM | message detail
Still rSFF is still debatable and even then most of the cases have the weaker character at least close to the stronger character.

I wouldn't take Nathan over Raiden and neither should anybody.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/11/2010 10:46:20 PM | message detail
Also, though this kind of jump for Uncharted from the original to its sequel is pretty humongous, I don't think it's unprecedented. I'm pretty sure Mega Man did something similar way back in the day, for example. Guitar Hero 2 was when the series and music-genre started to blow up too, though it doesn't necessarily have strength here. Are there any other examples that kinda fit the whole overshadowing the original-thing?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2010 10:47:16 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #196
Still rSFF is still debatable and even then most of the cases have the weaker character at least close to the stronger character.

I wouldn't take Nathan over Raiden and neither should anybody.


so you don't think that Drake can even compete with Sam Fisher?

really?
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/11/2010 10:48:13 PM | message detail
I wouldn't take Drake > Raiden either, but I'm also not taking The Boss > Raiden despite the vote-in and Raiden probably being terrible with MGS-SFF.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 1/11/2010 10:52:02 PM | message detail
You mean this type of boost?

Sure, if post-Uncharted 2 Drake would beat pre-Uncharted 2 Drake by as much as Uncharted 2 would beat Uncharted 1 excluding SFF. But I don't think that'll happen. They may have significantly improved the gameplay, but Drake is still Drake. It's not like people didn't play Uncharted 1. For whatever reason, those who did didn't like Drake very much. I'm sure Drake is probably more likable in Uncharted 2, but considering how far down he is I doubt he's so much more likable that he can make the jump in strength necessary to reach The Boss.
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