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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 4:38:23 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #248
Ike and MK should be the two best examples, and I don't think you have to necessarily disqualify them for having the hype to get in before SSBB. Even if you do though, you can look at how much they boosted before and after release. They were both hyped a lot once they were announced, as was Pokemon Trainer...so let's ask a fun question: before SSBB, who's the strongest between Ike, MK, and Red?


Probably Ike or MK cuz people love their sword users in Smash bros
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 1/10/2010 4:39:37 PM | message detail
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #251
Probably Ike or MK cuz people love their sword users in Smash bros

Way to totally not read the post. And I say Red.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/10/2010 4:39:58 PM | message detail
I'm not worried about Red getting a Brawl picture. As long as he's listed as Pokemon Trainer Red, people will know he's the hero of RBY and not some random generic Pokemon trainer. So he'll get 63% instead of 65% on Ocelot.....big deal- if he's really that strong anyway. He might not be, but then it will not be time to blame the picture.

And charmander, what? Pikachu has plenty of contest strength now, that doesn't mean that he no longer has haters or that he's universal. Universal characters are characters like Link, Mario, Luigi, etc. that everyone knows and almost everyone likes. If you call Pikachu universal, then you're pretty much calling every character stronger than him universal, which renders that distinction completely meaningless. It's absolutely no surprise that, well, strong characters will beat L-Block, while weak characters won't.
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voltch | Posted 1/10/2010 4:40:16 PM | message detail
Red, is gonna be the strongest.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 4:40:48 PM | message detail

From: nintendogirl1 | #252
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #251
Probably Ike or MK cuz people love their sword users in Smash bros

Way to totally not read the post. And I say Red.


I did read the post. People were obviously more hyped for them since they got into the contest , and Trainer didnt even get in till this year... And the most casual Brawl characters are the sword users, so thats what most people were hyped for, no?
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 1/10/2010 4:41:55 PM | message detail
Not to suggest we go behind KP's back, but someone should really go behind KP's back and submit a Red picture like this

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/nintendo/en/images/thumb/7/7b/Red_Pok%C3%A9monRB.png/180px-Red_Pok%C3%A9monRB.png


it's the best non-sprite option
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 1/10/2010 4:42:15 PM | message detail
From: voltch | #254
Red, is gonna be the strongest.

Red, is gonna be the best there ever was.
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paulg235 | Posted 1/10/2010 4:43:13 PM | message detail
To beat them is his real test, to kill them is his cause.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 1/10/2010 4:43:15 PM | message detail
From: MoogleKupo141 | #256
Not to suggest we go behind KP's back, but someone should really go behind KP's back and submit a Red picture like this

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/nintendo/en/images/thumb/7/7b/Red_Pok%C3%A9monRB.png/180px-Red_Pok%C3%A9monRB.png


it's the best non-sprite option


And since it's still inferior to the sprites, we should still not send one in.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 1/10/2010 4:43:42 PM | message detail
He may not allow the sprite, that's the issue.
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voltch | Posted 1/10/2010 4:46:27 PM | message detail
looking at other characters where pics have been an issue, does anyone think the difference between MGS2 Snake pics, Solid **** pics and that Ac!d pic used in the match against Zelda have affected Snake in any significant way?
I mean looking at the frog match the % feel unnatural to say the least.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 4:47:05 PM | message detail
I'm 99% sure sprites won't be allowed. We've never had sprites in round 1; why this year?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/10/2010 4:47:21 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #142
using stats alone, was Knuckles>Magus possible?

No.

I remember it because I tried to find a way for that to happen. The only explaination is if you believed Magus wasn't SFF by Crono in 2004 or using another SFF character.


No, it was definitely possible.

Sam Fisher was horribly overrated, and DK proved it, doing as well on him as Magus did (though that was mid-contest evidence rather than pre-contest evidence, but it cemented the point). Samus quadrupled the guy, and he barely beat Gordon Freeman in 2004. Based on that, Magus was very overrated.

Luca Blight was ultra-turbo-fodder, and the Villains Contest proved it. Based on how Luca did in the Villains Contest, Magus was very overrated.

Tidus turned out to be overrated, and 2004 proved it (Getting 65/35'd by Mega Man when he wasn't far behind Magus, who got 65/35'd by Link. Nevermind the fact that I neglected that and chose to take Tidus to win the Dream Division anyway, and Kirby just cemented his overratedness! Whoops, personal bias).

There were only two things that really threw me off the trail for Knuckles > Magus: Ganondorf and the fact that Tidus was still above Knuckles in the 2004 stats anyway, though not by much. I neglected the possibility that Ganondorf had boosted a lot because of Twilight Princess hype, although he didn't beat Alucard as much as he was supposed to in 2004 based on the 2003 stats. Plus, the match with Link messed up any reliable number with him.

I used these facts to argue Squall > Magus fervently. I did all the research I could to justify the pick. I didn't think he was quite THAT overrated, but I knew he wouldn't/couldn't beat Knuckles by much for Squall to still win. Like I said, I thought Magus was overrated by a good bit. I just didn't think he was overrated by enough to lose to Knuckles.

(And no, this isn't hindsight bias! You can look all these things up in pre-SC2K5 stats topics!)
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voltch | Posted 1/10/2010 4:49:12 PM | message detail
I don't think Magus was overrated, I honestly think that at one stage of his career he was a genuine beast, tose days are over, but these days we are basically underrating him.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/10/2010 4:50:20 PM | message detail
In 2005 we had too much confidence in the precision of our x-stats. If the stats said X would beat Y with 52%, we treated it as a lock.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/10/2010 4:53:20 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #265
In 2005 we had too much confidence in the precision of our x-stats. If the stats said X would beat Y with 52%, we treated it as a lock.


Basically. Like I said, the only thing that kept me from pulling the trigger in 2005 was the fact that Tidus > Knuckles in the 2004 stats, even though the margin wasn't that great.

And speaking of picture factors:

Young Ocelot > Old Ocelot
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voltch | Posted 1/10/2010 4:54:07 PM | message detail
all I remember of 2005 is me going MArio you winning dis and vincent ur optional so squall takes this div and lol terra/kerrigan, I really don't remember much else.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/10/2010 4:59:42 PM | message detail
Oh, Luca Blight. Thanks to you Magus has that thing that Vincent and Squall never could get- an 80% win.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/10/2010 5:00:16 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #268
Oh, Luca Blight. Thanks to you Magus has that thing that Vincent and Squall never could get- an 80% win.


Too bad Luca Blight > Kerrigan!
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LOLContests | Posted 1/10/2010 5:07:49 PM | message detail
What's the point of having user-created pics if we're gonna be at the mercy of whoever calls them anyway?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/10/2010 5:08:44 PM | message detail
Dammit I want a reason to be confident in Magus.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/10/2010 5:23:05 PM | message detail
I am never confident in CT characters. Every match I dread that they will fall off the face of the earth and become the low midcarders they should be given that they are from a SNES JRPG that sold very little in America and didn't even come out in Europe.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2010 6:21:22 PM | message detail
And charmander, what? Pikachu has plenty of contest strength now, that doesn't mean that he no longer has haters or that he's universal.

Pikachu is universally known whether you like it or not. Just because you are known doesn't mean you are strong. Donkey Kong is universally known, but you don't see him taking out strong characters. Also I've seen no proof that Pikachu or Pokemon is hated since 2006. Everyone has their haters, but Pikachu isn't hated more than say Sonic.


No, it was definitely possible.

Sam Fisher was horribly overrated, and DK proved it, doing as well on him as Magus did (though that was mid-contest evidence rather than pre-contest evidence, but it cemented the point). Samus quadrupled the guy, and he barely beat Gordon Freeman in 2004. Based on that, Magus was very overrated...


No that is not what I said, Magus being underrated was possible, being weaker than Knuckles was impossible unless you took a SFF character. Also Ganondorf was the reason that stopped me from taking Kirby > Tidus, Squall > Magus, though I would've taken Auron > Ganondorf.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 1/10/2010 6:59:24 PM | message detail
So we can blame all of our inaccurate stats on Ganondorf?

Ganondorf is the weirdest (near-)elite we have. He's almost as random as Master Chief.

Oh yeah, for ****s and giggles, Top 20 lists of most-played games on Xbox Live:

http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/01/10/the-top-20-live-games-of-2009.aspx
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2010 7:08:33 PM | message detail
Had Ganondorf perform worse than Bowser against Sephiroth in the villain's contest Squall > Magus in round 2 would be a very popular upset. It's funny since all of the stats pointed one way yet Ganondorf was the only one that went against that (mostly because of TP hype) and we decided to believe that. I also blame the board being massive Magus fans, they had no problem with Tidus dropping in strength yet believed Magus remained constant.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/10/2010 7:47:22 PM | message detail
Pikachu is universally known whether you like it or not. Just because you are known doesn't mean you are strong. Donkey Kong is universally known, but you don't see him taking out strong characters. Also I've seen no proof that Pikachu or Pokemon is hated since 2006. Everyone has their haters, but Pikachu isn't hated more than say Sonic.

Of course he's universally known. He's not universally liked. And of course he's strong- that's why he beat L-Block, not because he's a universally liked character!!!!!
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2010 8:39:30 PM | message detail
So, if we have the SotY-poll next, that means we've probably skipped the MMORPG-GotY and remake-GotY...and if that happens, there would still be a day available for a GotD-poll followed by a final poll about the contest.

Know your priorities, SB...at least our priorities.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2010 8:42:08 PM | message detail
And, hey, while we're waiting on the next poll, how would LBP have done in today's poll? It dominated last year's original-GotY when the poll was first created and this poll has better competition.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3360
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2010 8:56:18 PM | message detail
Probably third, it'll be closer to infamous and Demon's Soul than Borderlands.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 9:00:44 PM | message detail
Hm, PS3 is winning. Good to see.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2010 9:00:44 PM | message detail
GotD-poll: still a possibility.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:01:06 PM | message detail
Remember my rankings

PS3 > Xbox360 > Wii > DS > PC > PS2 > PSP > iPhone

I just added iPhone to the end.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 9:02:24 PM | message detail
haha Wow, PC is infront of Wii.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:02:29 PM | message detail
Great job, Wii.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:02:44 PM | message detail
Surprised the PC is doing so well.

Damn you anti-NintendoFAQs
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:03:35 PM | message detail
*Looks at Wii*

It's over Nintendo, your reign of tyranny is over!

Except for Link, Link he come to town to crush your favorite characters oh yes he will.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 9:04:15 PM | message detail
But yeah, if Wii is struggling with PC during the board vote, then its over.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:05:24 PM | message detail
Isn't the board anti-New Nintendo though?

Or is that just the loud minority?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 9:05:57 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #288
Isn't the board anti-New Nintendo though?

Or is that just the loud minority?


as far as i remember, nintendo stuff normally has a strong board vote, doesn't it?
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:06:18 PM | message detail
Well, SMG lost the board vote to CoD4, and Brawl's board vote is only good while Melee's is A+++.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:06:44 PM | message detail
But that's old Nintendo...
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:07:43 PM | message detail
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/10/2010 9:08:03 PM | message detail
Man, PSP is still losing to PS2 despite the fact the PS2 is almost soon to become totally extinct and no more games will be released for PS2.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:10:29 PM | message detail
And congratulations to the PS3 on a well-earned victory over both the Xbox 360 and the Nintendo hordes. Is no one going to start up the Cloud > Link 2010 hype train? The contest will be more fun if someone does!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 9:10:44 PM | message detail
DS and Wii both dropped about 1%, so yeah seems like they had the board vote
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:11:31 PM | message detail
Man, PSP is still losing to PS2 despite the fact the PS2 is almost soon to become totally extinct and no more games will be released for PS2.

Nobody likes the PSP over the PS3 while the PS2 has enough blind fanboys to push it over the top.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 9:12:09 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3724&region=US

Pretty interesting that Dragon Age and Borderlands went almost exactly even in US, but Dragon Age dominated it everywhere else.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2010 9:13:34 PM | message detail
Regardless of what people think about their games, I'm glad we've finally got a three-way console-war where every system has been able to bring the pain in these types of polls at some point. Heck, even the PC is trying not to lose to all of them this year! Now if only we can get to a year where all three are in a heated race one year.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2010 9:15:51 PM | message detail
Woo, DS > Wii now

How far will Wii fall
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2010 9:16:05 PM | message detail
XD DS > Wii.

Though that is true. Counting multiplatform games DS should have been a solid third this year.
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