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I think there's just like some kind of divide between old jokes like CATS and the new generation of jokes led by L-Block, even though tetris is beyond ancient I think the people nominating the older contest jokes and the recent stuff are different.
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Shakes Fist!

I'm all for L-Block not looking as strong this contest, but HK-47 being a former contest champion? I mean, would HK-47 have beaten it pre-2007 when L 65-35'd Laharl?

HK-47 (2004c) VS Laharl (2004c)

HK-47 has a strength of 19.93.
Laharl has a strength of 15.28.

HK-47 wins with 61.67% of the vote!
A win of 18,013 with 77,206 total votes cast.

That makes it a 55/45 match now.
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and Missingno will do well against Crono, like around 35%.

That's is within the range of what Missingno would be expected to get on Crono. Remember L-Block got 46.37% on Crono last contest, so 35% would be possible for Missingno.
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Missingno already got 15% on a 12-way poll, so yeah, he should have some decent strength.

The difference between CATS and characters like L-Block is that CATS isn't an inanimate object.
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No the difference between L-Block and CATS is that people actually heard of Tetris.
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From: HaRRicH | #150
jokes getting over half the votes is something we've never seen before

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3257

True, but here's a poll where two jokes got 45.82% against Ryu and Meta-Knight...pretty respectable joke-presence. I also don't think we've seen anything distinctly proven joke-characters will really falter in a one-on-one setting...CATS didn't really look any better in four-ways, for example.

I'm all for L-Block not looking as strong this contest, but HK-47 being a former contest champion? I mean, would HK-47 have beaten it pre-2007 when L 65-35'd Laharl? I get the idea is that four-ways are going to affect the jokes, but this feels a lot like 2008 when people were picking Ryu > MK to eliminate it in the first round.

This, this, and this.

I'm not denying L-Block will be weaker, and a small part may be the transition, but I think people are really overhyping the difference between fourways and 1v1. It'll turn out that once you factor out LFF and the like, a lot of the fourway match-ups will actually be applicable to even these halved 1v1 matches. And you're going to see L-Block and Cube perform 70-80% as well as they did in 2008, not enough to get past Round 3, but well enough to get there with ease against their no-name opponents. And I think they'd win over a lot of the midcarders as well.
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Okay, so L's got a 55/45-advantage on HK-47 before it became a contest champ and defeated Ryu with another joke in the poll. The L we have today isn't the L then, so the one-on-one format still has to do pretty crucial damage from there.
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Jokes in that case seem to be like lethal fodder characters, because don't fodder characters seem to collapse against know characters?
one on one, I'd never take L-Bloke or WCC over Luigi or Zero.
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Shakes Fist!

CATS spoke Engrish and was part of a fad. CATS is really no different than, say, Leeroy Jenkins other than the LJ guy being an actual person and thus not able to be nominated in a contest.

CATS is way too obscure, especially since the AYB fad has been dead for years and many younger games don't even know it exists.

If I may make an analogy,

Board 8:CATS::4chan:Mudkip
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Not Wylvane

From: voltch | #158
Jokes in that case seem to be like lethal fodder characters, because don't fodder characters seem to collapse against know characters?
one on one, I'd never take L-Bloke or WCC over Luigi or Zero.

I'd probably take them over Zero, since I don't think much of Zero anymore.

Luigi is pretty beastly these days, so probably not over him.
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Not Wylvane

Okay, so L's got a 55/45-advantage on HK-47 before it became a contest champ and defeated Ryu with another joke in the poll. The L we have today isn't the L then, so the one-on-one format still has to do pretty crucial damage from there.

Why would L-Block be more known now than it was before? It's not like Tetris going from 97% playship rate to 98% is going to make a difference.
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Also the L-Block that defeated Ryu with The Dog in the poll wasn't the same one that lost to Crono and Pikachu in round 3.
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Why would L-Block be more known now than it was before? It's not like Tetris going from 97% playship rate to 98% is going to make a difference.

Tetris != L-Block. L-Block is going to be more known because he's the guy who won the contest when nobody was expecting it. He'll get more support than before that from people who want to see him do it again. Come to think of it, weren't there people picking against L-Block in '07 because they were worried nobody would get the joke?
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Also the L-Block that defeated Ryu with The Dog in the poll wasn't the same one that lost to Crono and Pikachu in round 3.

It was, or rather, if we expected L-Block to be linear like a normal character, that result would seem very normal. L-Block still got 42% on Crono in round 3, which is pretty much exactly what Ryu got in round 2.

Tetris != L-Block. L-Block is going to be more known because he's the guy who won the contest when nobody was expecting it. He'll get more support than before that from people who want to see him do it again. Come to think of it, weren't there people picking against L-Block in '07 because they were worried nobody would get the joke?

Yes, absolutely.
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Er....I mean that L-Block's role in that match would seem very normal. Pikachu obviously wasn't.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Well as seen last year the joke is stale. Heck it was interesting to see the difference between joke characters in round 1 and 2. Both Mudkip and Sandbag ended up in last place, L-Block was thought to come close to Crono yet failed to lead him at any point in the match and had 2007 L-Block been in WCC's shoes after beating Mega Man it would have won the entire contest. L-Block winning in 2007 probably won't affect anybody's votes.

Still losing to HK-47 is a big gamble.
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L-Block still got 42% on Crono in round 3

43.92% actually. The round before it, L-Block got 46.37% on Crono.
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I think it's just easier to look at it this way:

L-Block is a universal joke.

In order to beat a universe joke, you must have universal appeal.

HK-47 does not have universal appeal.

L-Block wins, whether it's 55 or a blowout.
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That makes sense, but the evidence doesn't support it. The only 2 characters to actually beat L-Block are Crono and Pikachu, and neither of them have universal appeal, while L-Block has beaten up people with it before (Link and Sonic).
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

L-Block vs. Kratos/Charizard should be getting more discussion though.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Leeroy Jenkins other than the LJ guy being an actual person and thus not able to be nominated in a contest.

I don't think SB's ever made a rule about excluding created characters. Just saying, LJ is pretty well-known...!


Why would L-Block be more known now than it was before? It's not like Tetris going from 97% playship rate to 98% is going to make a difference.
Also the L-Block that defeated Ryu with The Dog in the poll wasn't the same one that lost to Crono and Pikachu in round 3.

It's not about being more recognized; there was a point somewhere between L's debut and his 2008-arrival where GameFAQs -- regardless of 4chan or anywhere else -- seemed to care more about it. L's R1-matches in each contest are going to be the closest to one-on-one matches we have for it, and just comparing them shows a clear difference in initial strength and potential danger between contests.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2887
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3257

Kirby > MK, Ryu >> Laharl, The Dog > Nathan Hale, and L did a percent better despite stronger opponents and another joke in the poll. Again, the jokes added up to nearly 46% in this poll too. L then went on to beat Ryu cleanly the next round once The Dog was removed. I can't explain what happened to L in R3 against Pikachu, but I can point out that wasn't the same Pikachu we've usually dealt with either...but the important thing is that this L-Block wasn't losing to the L-Block from 2007's R1.

The thing's established itself at some point, no later than when it won 2007's contest. Four-way or one-on-one, the L-Block of today shouldn't struggle with HK-47.
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That makes sense, but the evidence doesn't support it. The only 2 characters to actually beat L-Block are Crono and Pikachu, and neither of them have universal appeal, while L-Block has beaten up people with it before (Link and Sonic).

What? Pikachu has universal appeal, he's one of the most recognizable character.


L-Block vs. Kratos/Charizard should be getting more discussion though.

lol, Charizard > Kratos.
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Can we do GlaDOS/Fawful now?

Fawful was the main boss's sidekick in M&L1.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1485

I'm sure that puts Fawful around Felix's level, right? And Felix is pretty much equal to Master Chief, so Fawful should have this with ease!

(Seriously, why did you guys replace Golden Sun with Fire Emblem?)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1491

Sure, that looks bad, but M&L would still octuple Comet Crash! That has to count for something, right?

Fawful played a very small, missable role in M&L2, but hey, so did Vincent in FF7, and look at him!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2243

Fawful would crush Phoenix Wright no problem! And since Phoenix is a joke character, Fawful should also have no trouble against GlaDOS! I certainly wouldn't pick GlaDOS over an Nintendog!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3591

Haven't played M&L3 yet, but I hear Fawful's the main boss and plays a big role in the game. Surely this will catapult him into elitedom!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3591

Over 40% on potential GotY winner Halo: ODST! Did you see how ODST cleaned house on the Xbox 360 poll? Fawful's looking like a beast already! Don't be surprised to see Fawful get 40% in a poll with Spiderman, Kurt Cobain, and John Lennon!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3715

M&L3 beat GTA! That's right, M&L3 beat one of the best-selling franchises in video game history. Over ten million people bought GTA4, and M&L3 still beat GTA! You know what that means, right? Hell yeah, buddy, Fawful's going to get over ten million votes in every poll he's in! Watch out, GlaDOS! Fawful's going to get 100% on your ass!

And what the hell has GlaDOS accomplished?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3254

Oh wow, 72.7% on Wander! That's not even close to the 388.64% Fawful's projected to get! Breaking 30% on Vincent ain't worth gloating about when M&L's Vincent would double FF7's Vincent!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3181

Pfft, Portal barely beat a DS game. I'm not impressed. And any game that can only barely triply Wii Music has to be incredibly weak! Horrible showing by Portal!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3476

How depressing! I feel like vomiting in the sadness of it all! Portal struggled against Bioshock? Please, like anyone would struggle against Big Daddy. And it's embarrassing that it lost to MGS4, because Fawful would have no problem tripling Solid Snake, Liquid Snake, and Naked Snake in a "Vote for the character who isn't named Snake" poll.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3493

This is just sad. ODST would get 95% on Halo 3, so M&L3 is projected to get over 9000% on Portal based on my math. It can't even beat Fallout 3, which doesn't even have a cast because everyone died in a nuclear strike at the beginning, and it still lost to MGS4? After two rounds, M&L3 would've beat MGS4 three times already! Horrible showing indeed.

GlaDOS is pathetically weak, Fawful is a juggernaut, and the poll will end with Fawful breaking the site due to the insane influx of voters coming here voting for him. It'll be so great that Bacon will have to shut down GameFAQs completely and declare Fawful the winner of this year's contest by default. He will then declare Fawful the winner of every previous character contest, M&L1 the winner of both game contests, and M&L as best series. Then the site will be reopened under the new name FawfulFAQs, and it will be a testament to Fawful's greatness, surpassing the likes of Yahoo and Google to become the most popular site on the internet until 2012 when Fawful Christ falls from Heaven and gives us all eternal salvation.
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Not Wylvane

but the evidence doesn't support it.

I'd say Pikachu is universal, and as far as this site go, Crono may as well be considering his strength.

My point is that L-Block will cave or falter depending on how well know its opponents are considering most of its votes are indifferent or.. well, whatever you want to call 'could easily be persuaded if the other character was more known.'
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Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

What? Pikachu has universal appeal, he's one of the most recognizable character.

Sure, but there are also tons of people that hate him.
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Sure, but there are also tons of people that hate him.

I think after the last few contests we can safely say that Pokemon hate is deader than dead. Sure there are some people that still hate him, but every well known character has its fair share of haters.
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ya know, shouldn't in theory everyone who has played pokemon R/B/Y/G/S/C know who red is?
I mean how old are the people who played those games back then?
By now if they still play pokemon surely they know main characters can be named after the version.
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From: voltch | #177
ya know, shouldn't in theory everyone who has played pokemon R/B/Y/G/S/C know who red is?
I mean how old are the people who played those games back then?
By now if they still play pokemon surely they know main characters can be named after the version.

oh christ not this **** again
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Not Wylvane

damn you caught me red handed!
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Shakes Fist!

ya know, shouldn't in theory everyone who has played pokemon R/B/Y/G/S/C know who red is?
I mean how old are the people who played those games back then?
By now if they still play pokemon surely they know main characters can be named after the version.

Just because in theory everyone knows Red doesn't mean they'll vote for him, just look at Peach.

Also I'm probably not alone in that I never picked a default option in Pokemon and I always take the default name in games I play. I guess you can blame it on there being three options.
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Quick, change topics!

Chris Redfield versus a bush, who wins?
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Not Wylvane

does the bush have steroid biceps?
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Shakes Fist!

How about Shepard/Ellis and Laharl/Neku

I seem to be alone on Ellis and why is Laharl the heavy favourite going in?
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I'm taking GlaDOS > Fawful because we've never seen a handheld-only character do well...

...and I think Red will probably impress compared to our expectations outside of red sox and KP (Soul too, maybe?), but he's just not in a very good position for us to argue about. If we're gonna argue about Red's road, I'd rather hear arguments about MMX being over-rated. Anything that can be said about Red already has been said and we know he's in some of the biggest Nintendo-games around (RBY, GS, SSBB if you count Pokemon Trainer) whereas MMX had every reason to look better than he should have in 2008. Let's hear some Red > MMX arguments from that angle.
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because Disgaea as a franchise is probably better known than Twewy and NIS has been whoring out Laharl Cameos so exposure I guess.
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If Red gets a Brawl Pokemon Trainer picture how badly does Ocelot win?
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I don't think MMX is overrated. I'm 100% convinced he could beat the original.
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I seem to be alone on Ellis and why is Laharl the heavy favourite going in?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/laharl%20disgaea/charelz555/Disgaea_Laharl.png
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 1/10/2010 6:49:14 PM | #186
If Red gets a Brawl Pokemon Trainer picture how badly does Ocelot win?

He won't get that picture unless someone secretly makes one. KP claimed him, and the people in the pic topic aren't *******s like that.
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I'm taking Neku because I don't like betting on Laharl ever.
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I know I'm late with this, but here's something I find interesting about Pikachu:

Pikachu vs Dante (w/ Leon and Ammy) - 52.62%
Kirby vs Dante (w/ Leon and Chief) - 53.40%

Pikachu is still be hated by some people, but he's also got a good number of fans who are very loyal. The best character to compare Pikachu to is probably Master Chief; I expect Pikachu to underperform against weaker characters, but look much better against stronger competition - probably not far off from the other near-elite Nintendo characters.
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From: charmander6000 | #183
How about Shepard/Ellis and Laharl/Neku

I seem to be alone on Ellis and why is Laharl the heavy favourite going in?

Regarding Ellis... Mass Effect 2 is coming out right before the match, and nobody who plays L4D cares about the characters anyway.
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I don't think MMX is overrated. I'm 100% convinced he could beat the original.

Why? I mean I think MM/MMX would be a great match, but what does MMX have over MM? Especially if CJayC's prefiction of people think all versions of Mega Man as one character (this would be about indirect strength) is true.
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He won't get that picture unless someone secretly makes one. KP claimed him, and the people in the pic topic aren't *******s like that.

Claiming may stop a lot of people, but it only takes one picture. Remember non-board 8 users can submit pictures as well as seen in previous contests.
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Regarding Ellis... Mass Effect 2 is coming out right before the match, and nobody who plays L4D cares about the characters anyway.

ME2 is probably the biggest factor. Also for someone who hasn't played that game, I thought people didn't care about Shepard either.
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Oh Christ, Laharl/Neku will become the new ultimate fodder match.

Ellis is from a Valve game, which is his/her only real plus, and even then it's L4D2. That alone might be enough to beat 2008 Shepard, but ME2 comes out a few days into the contest, and that should bring a lot of people to the FAQs when Shepard's match comes up a couple weeks later. That alone makes Shepard the easy favorite, especially if ME2 turns out to be its series' AC2, except with both ME games having the same character.
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I took Laharl just for appeal alone. Being in past contests, and having games that span across both handhelds and PS2 give it a more 'universal' appeal.

Although you could argue the same thing about Neku who just looks like Sora, but they are handheld after all.
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From: charmander6000 | #193
I don't think MMX is overrated. I'm 100% convinced he could beat the original.

Why? I mean I think MM/MMX would be a great match, but what does MMX have over MM? Especially if CJayC's prefiction of people think all versions of Mega Man as one character (this would be about indirect strength) is true.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3156
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That.

Claiming may stop a lot of people, but it only takes one picture. Remember non-board 8 users can submit pictures as well as seen in previous contests.

To add to it there's also the problem if SBAllen doesn't accept sprite pictures yet and looking at the wiki that is all what KP has.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3156

That might make him stronger directly, but not indirectly.
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