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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 774

UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/6/2010 9:11:57 PM | message detail
This might be the worst set of GOTY polls this site ever runs. 2009 was so bad.



~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Poll Start Times*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Battle_8_Poll_Start_Times

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/6/2010 9:13:19 PM | message detail
It's sad that most of the games I want these days come out on handhelds.
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Big Bob | Posted 1/6/2010 9:14:04 PM | message detail
Assassin's Creed II, Batman, and Borderlands in the multiplatform poll will make up for everything.
Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/6/2010 9:15:01 PM | message detail
NSMBW was fun, and I hear good things about Uncharted 2, Batman, AC2, and DA:O.

Doesn't seem that bad a year to me.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/7/2010 8:29:13 AM | message detail
Eh, real gaming is dying. Has been for a long time.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/7/2010 8:32:05 AM | message detail
Probably still about 60/40. That's about what she got when they me in 2007.

Megaman was in that match though, so Samus can probably do a couple percentage points better than the 41% she got twice. And now that I look at that match again, wow did Megaman look bad. Just 39% on Samus and 31% on Cloud? The Noble Nine should be really thankful the last 2 contests have been 4-way. Interestingly enough, Megaman did less than half a percent worse on Snake the next year than on Samus in 2007, even with Zero in the poll against Snake. I'm not really sure what to make of that.
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ZFS | Posted 1/7/2010 8:32:16 AM | message detail
Holy Star Ocean. What happened here.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 8:53:30 AM | message detail

From: ZFS | #007
Holy Star Ocean. What happened here.


The ToS factor
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KamikazePotato | Posted 1/7/2010 8:55:01 AM | message detail
SO4 had very mixed reviews.

Which I think shows how strong this poll is.

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Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/7/2010 9:06:09 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #005
Eh, real gaming is dying. Has been for a long time.


Best gen since the 16-bit games IMO. Don't really like most of the games of the previous two gens, but now the technology has led to some amazing games.

Fallout 3 is easily my biggest favorite game this decade, and Galaxy is also very high up there. Plus NSMBW looks to be the next 2D Mario game I've wanted since the early 90's, based on the first two worlds or so. Plus there's a lot more awesome games out there, including downloadable games on the consoles and a rise of indie games thanks to services like Steam.

HD-level graphics, online play, huge depth, amazing physics, and all that while making the games as fun as ever, if not moreso. This gen is ****ing awesome.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 9:07:27 AM | message detail

From: Not_Wylvane | #010
Best gen since the 16-bit games IMO. Don't really like most of the games of the previous two gens, but now the technology has led to some amazing games.

Fallout 3 is easily my biggest favorite game this decade, and Galaxy is also very high up there. Plus NSMBW looks to be the next 2D Mario game I've wanted since the early 90's, based on the first two worlds or so. Plus there's a lot more awesome games out there, including downloadable games on the consoles and a rise of indie games thanks to services like Steam.

HD-level graphics, online play, huge depth, amazing physics, and all that while making the games as fun as ever, if not moreso. This gen is ****ing awesome.


This 100%. Anyone who doesn't like this gen has their nostalgia tinted glasses on. Everything is great this gen.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/7/2010 9:09:34 AM | message detail
Nostalgia > This generation
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/7/2010 9:09:46 AM | message detail
This gen is very good so far, and I haven't even touched the PS3 yet. I still have that to look forward to, as well as Nintendo's second wind with their Big 3.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/7/2010 9:10:29 AM | message detail
In all honesty, nostalgia > most things.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 9:11:05 AM | message detail
Also maybe this gen is a bit too westernized for some people. But if you like Western games its fine.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/7/2010 9:12:30 AM | message detail
Megaman was in that match though

Doesn't matter.
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ragnarox | Posted 1/7/2010 9:12:42 AM | message detail
Nostalgia? But I've mostly been playing PS2 games I never played before. That's not nostalgia, that's just this generation being terrible.
ZFS | Posted 1/7/2010 9:12:47 AM | message detail
This gen has been half and half. Some good, some bad, not anywhere near as good as the last one, but not terrible. The original games have been great, not so much for sequels.

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red sox 777 | Posted 1/7/2010 9:20:23 AM | message detail
Doesn't matter.

Tell that to Yoshi 2005!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/7/2010 9:24:19 AM | message detail
Yoshi more like LOLshi
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 9:28:43 AM | message detail
Yoshi more like beating Crono round 2
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/7/2010 9:29:27 AM | message detail
Crono more like losing to Missingno

Okay, not really
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redrocket | Posted 1/7/2010 9:53:42 AM | message detail
This 100%. Anyone who doesn't like this gen has their nostalgia tinted glasses on. Everything is great this gen.

I'm not going to touch the argument of where this generation as a whole stands, but I hope we can at least agree that this year was awful. Easily the single worst year for gaming since the Crash.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 9:57:49 AM | message detail

From: redrocket | #023
This 100%. Anyone who doesn't like this gen has their nostalgia tinted glasses on. Everything is great this gen.

I'm not going to touch the argument of where this generation as a whole stands, but I hope we can at least agree that this year was awful. Easily the single worst year for gaming since the Crash.


Not the worse year since the crash, but one of the worst since then. 2008 was amazing though, and 2010 is looking to be amazing so its okay.
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redrocket | Posted 1/7/2010 9:59:34 AM | message detail
Not the worse year since the crash, but one of the worst since then. 2008 was amazing though, and 2010 is looking to be amazing so its okay.

What year(s) would you call worse?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 10:00:28 AM | message detail

From: redrocket | #025
Not the worse year since the crash, but one of the worst since then. 2008 was amazing though, and 2010 is looking to be amazing so its okay.

What year(s) would you call worse?


2005 and 1995 come to mind.
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LOLContests | Posted 1/7/2010 10:02:15 AM | message detail
Eh, as someone who hasn't gamed barely any during this gen, from appearances alone Last Gen >>>>>>>>This Gen.

But I think that Last Gen was probably the best of all time, so what do I know.
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/7/2010 10:21:00 AM | message detail
1995 has Chrono Trigger, Albion. That's an instant win over a year like this one.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 10:21:18 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #028
1995 has Chrono Trigger, Albion. That's an instant win over a year like this one.


Oh seriously? I thought it was 1994 for some reason.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/7/2010 10:23:48 AM | message detail
2005 had RE4 and God of War.

What about 1993? I can't think of anything outside Link's Awakening.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/7/2010 10:26:52 AM | message detail
Oh wait, 1993 also had Doom and the original Star Fox, which actually kinda hurts that year in my eyes. I'd rather have a random 2009 game selected for me than play some of 1993's "best."
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/7/2010 10:28:28 AM | message detail
1993:

Doom
Super Mario All-Stars
Link's Awakening
Myst
Star Fox
Virtua Fighter (Had a blast playing this one at the arcades)
Secret of Mana
Kirby's Adventure

Jaguar and 3DO were released that year, too.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/7/2010 10:29:03 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #030
2005 had RE4 and God of War.

What about 1993? I can't think of anything outside Link's Awakening.


Thing is, that's all 2005 had. At least 2009 has a lot of decent games, even if there weren't any killer apps besides MW2.

I still think this year is decent, even if it doesn't measure up to the last two years, since 2007 and 2008 raised the bar pretty ****ing high.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 10:29:10 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #032
1993:

Doom
Super Mario All-Stars
Link's Awakening
Myst
Star Fox
Virtua Fighter (Had a blast playing this one at the arcades)
Secret of Mana
Kirby's Adventure

Jaguar and 3DO were released that year, too.


If those weer the best games of the year, then 2009 beats it.
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Xeybozn | Posted 1/7/2010 10:29:11 AM | message detail
1993 had a lot of good games for Genesis: Gunstar Heroes, Shining Force II, and Phantasy Star IV all came out that year. On the other hand, none of those are Sonic, so who caress?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/7/2010 10:30:46 AM | message detail
Well, I just looked up 1993 Video Games on Wikipedia, and those are the major ones it listed.

Also, Blaster Master 2 and a Maniac Mansion sequel.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 10:31:08 AM | message detail

From: Xeybozn | #035
1993 had a lot of good games for Genesis: Gunstar Heroes, Shining Force II, and Phantasy Star IV all came out that year. On the other hand, none of those are Sonic, so who caress?


PS4 and Shining Force 2 were 1994.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2253

Wow at 2005. Yeah, that was a bad year
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/7/2010 10:34:12 AM | message detail
I honestly think more people would have viewed 2009 favorably if they had owned a PS3. All trolling aside, its exclusives clearly won the year. Uncharted did get legitimately touted as a Game of the Generation contender, and Demon's Souls was apparently very good. Ratchet and Clank is also a series that usually delivers (at least judging by its PS2 installments), and inFamous was received well. Despite that, it was still a year that the multiplats won with games like SFIV, Batman, RE5, MW2, Dragon Age, and AC2. That's some good quality. I don't think 1993 competes.
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draarrowgant | Posted 1/7/2010 11:03:11 AM | message detail
I always love these nostalgia posts... perhaps the most biased review in gaming. You can take a look at many franchises... FF, Zelda, Mario- and when people state their favorites, even if they have played them all, generally you can guess when they started gaming by what they state is their fav.

I accepted this long ago and decided to take a more objective appreciation of games. I used to wonder why I couldn't *enjoy* games as much as I used too- then I realized it was the nostalgia factor. At almost 30, and with 22 years of gaming, games just wont have that cool oh-em-gee factor they did when I first popped in SMW on the brand new SNES... or the first real FF7 cutscene I saw on PSX.

This Gen rocks every other gen to date- both on individual levels and holistically once you take out the nostalgia factor. Nonetheless my fav games will almost certainly have games like Fallout 2, SimEarth, FFIII, and... Oregon Trail.
ragnarox | Posted 1/7/2010 11:08:11 AM | message detail
I say this gen is terrible.

Favorites, respective to the franchises you listed: X-2, The Wind Waker, Galaxy. Guess when I started gaming.
voltch | Posted 1/7/2010 11:53:22 AM | message detail
1993, Xcom was such a good game.
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1993, Xcom was such a good game.


Yeah, that game will be on "Top 10 PC Game" lists until the end of time.
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voltch | Posted 1/7/2010 12:56:43 PM | message detail
tis soooo damn hard though.
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Big Bob | Posted 1/7/2010 12:58:17 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy VI is an outdated piece of crap. **** nostalgia.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 1:06:42 PM | message detail
I always love seeing the Halo asv in action. .40% in like 35 minutes.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/7/2010 1:23:24 PM | message detail
I really doubt it, but I'll ask: is ODST hurting Halo Wars much?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 1:24:23 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #046
I really doubt it, but I'll ask: is ODST hurting Halo Wars much?


Why do you really doubt it? Its obvious, Halo Wars is being curb stomped by Halo 3 ODST SFF here.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 1:27:14 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3367

And heres my proof. It doesn't go from beating Star Ocean to being quadroupled or whatever it is now without SFF
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/7/2010 1:28:45 PM | message detail
Yeah, but Halo Wars is an RTS...very different from the rest of the Halo-series, and considering that ODST isn't looking very respectable in comparison to its competition, I don't know if Halo Wars would break 10% if ODST was removed.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/7/2010 1:29:49 PM | message detail
Its a Halo side game, the only people who played it are Halo fans... and a Halo 3 FPS ranks higher on the Halo heirarchy then a RTS game.
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