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Taking them with a grain of salt is fine. Dismissing them entirely is stupid.

But then Okami goes and makes practically no impressions in any game polls and churns out a character that's almost a midcarder. So yeah, I don't know what to say anymore

Well Okami did decently in it's one Games Contest match while LittleBigPlanet tanked so...yeah. Although people will just say MGS4 SFFd it.

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I think he's referring to Okami's GOTY performance.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2622

Hardly impressive.
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

Well Okami did decently in it's one Games Contest match while LittleBigPlanet tanked so...yeah. Although people will just say MGS4 SFFd it.

We're discrediting SFF now?
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And the thing about GOTY polls is that you don't know which ones work and which ones don't, so I tend not to factor them into my predictions.
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I don't really care to defend LBP in today's poll, but ports never do well in GotY-polls in comparison to the original. Also, were people really expecting it to get franchise-votes? It had one game before this, and its following wasn't exactly of Halo-proportions. I see at least five other games in the poll that have more games than LBP, too, and I think Half-Minute Hero is the only game/"series" newer than LBP here. And Sackboy being just franchise-votes? He made it into the contest before his franchise existed.

Today hardly matters for Sackboy. The only thing to take from this is that he's now got just a little more exposure than what LBP for the PS3 originally gave him, and I don't think I'd be saying that if it wasn't on a different system.
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From: HaRRicH | #105
And Sackboy being just franchise-votes? He made it into the contest before his franchise existed.

You just proved my point. No one cares about Sackboy as a character. He's not someone they nominate because they love him, he's someone they nominate because they love LittleBigPlanet (or, in the case of PS3 owners, are desperate for a mascot).

The fact that the LittleBigPlanet name alone can't carry it over Monster Rancher tells me that people don't care as much about LBP as a I figured.

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Quickly going back to Uncharted 2. Anyone who takes Nathan over The Boss because Uncharted 2 won GotY is just asking to get burned. If that result happens it will happen regardless of what the performance the game does now. Winning the PS3 poll showed that the game didn't flop on GameFAQs which is one of the things he needed to happen and that is all we can take from the GotY polls.
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if uncharted 2 wins overall goty and people still deny that nathan will win i'll lol
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*cough* CJ > Ness *cough*
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so you're saying theres like a 10% chance of the main character of the goty being trash?

sounds like good odds to me
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hey MGS3 bombed in the Goty polls, surely it'll fold in the games contest too..oh dear.
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Of course there's a correlation, just a weak one. You're never going to see the latest Zelda game losing to the latest Driv3r game, or whatever series Tanner is from, in one of these.
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Just because GameFAQs likes the game doesn't mean it like the character is what I'm trying to say.
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Anyone who takes Nathan over The Boss because Uncharted 2 won GotY is just asking to get burned.

If Uncharted 2 wins or does well in the overall GOTY poll, I'm switching to Drake, but the primary reason is not that I expect him to be strong, but rather that the Boss is extremely weak.
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I wouldn't use the word "extremely." She's high end fodder, at least.
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From: LeonhartFour | #115
I wouldn't use the word "extremely." She's high end fodder, at least.

She did pretty similiar to what Vyse did against Tifa, and I don't think any of us would have an issue putting Drake over Vyse.
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Tripling is not similar to quadrupling.
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From: LeonhartFour | #117
Tripling is not similar to quadrupling.

22% and 25% on Tifa isn't a big difference. Plus theres the possible RPG SFF for Vyse in play, so I'd say its about even.
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I don't trust those matches from the Female bracket. Zelda/Yuna/Tifa all overperformed as crazily as Bowser/Ganondorf did in the Villains Contest.

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She did pretty similiar to what Vyse did against Tifa, and I don't think any of us would have an issue putting Drake over Vyse.

First The Boss did a lot better than Vyse

Second, so Tifa beats Vincent 57/43?
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Heck the top end popular characters who aren't from iconic franchises tend to be standard setters, like Dante is the archetype cool guy and Ryu is the Mr Fighter, Drake's a newcomer trying to appeal to people who like cynical jerks and we got a lot of those running around already, it's crowded market and I don't think people will take to someone like Drake unless his character breaks the mold.
I mean take Snake, these days you could say he's generic, because so many other characters seem to follow his pattern, but he's on this site the standard and he fights more than just goons, Drake is just too faceless compared to gain any real strength yet.
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From: Lightslayer987 | #119
21% and 24% on Tifa isn't a big difference. Plus theres the possible RPG SFF for Vyse in play, so I'd say its about even.

Not after Vyse nearly lost to Rayman in 2007.

But you have to realize that, once you get up into the mid-70s, a jump from 74-75% to 78-79% is pretty big. It's a lot bigger than a jump from 54-55% to 58-59%.
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If Boss wasn't fodder, she shouldn't be tripled by a noble nine character, let alone someone who is only about #15
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I think the thing that's important to realize is that it's far far easier to boost when you're fodder than when you're an elite. Cloud could get a new game of Uncharted 2's caliber and move only a percent or two up against Link. On the other hand, give Tanner a game like that, and he'll 90-10 his former self.
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22% and 25% on Tifa isn't a big difference. Plus theres the possible RPG SFF for Vyse in play, so I'd say its about even.

The Boss would beat Vyse 57/43 assuming a constant Tifa. That's a notable difference.

lol RPG SFF
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From: Lightslayer987 | #125
If Boss wasn't fodder, she shouldn't be tripled by a noble nine character, let alone someone who is only about #15

I never said she wasn't fodder. Just that she's on the upper end of the fodder chain.
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Let's not take Tifa/Vyse at face value. Remember that match told us Tifa = Cloud.
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From: red sox 777 | #129
Let's not take Tifa/Vyse at face value. Remember that match told us Tifa = Cloud.

which is why the rpg sff was considered
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From: red sox 777 | #129
Let's not take Tifa/Vyse at face value. Remember that match told us Tifa = Cloud.

And then 2007 told us Vyse just sucks now and all the Skies of Arcadia fans left with the site shift.

A sad panda, I am.
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which is why the rpg sff was considered

But you didn't consider FF/MGS SFF.
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Skies of Arcadia fans didn't leave, Votals just increased a lot and more fans didn't show up.

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From: charmander6000 | #132
which is why the rpg sff was considered

But you didn't consider FF/MGS SFF.

Characters on different systems in different genres should have less overlap then characters on different systems in the same genre.
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Skies of Arcadia fans didn't leave, Votals just increased a lot and more fans didn't show up.

They were pretty numerous in 2003.
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From: Lightslayer987 | #134
Characters on different systems in different genres should have less overlap then characters on different systems in the same genre.

The most popular FF and MGS games are on the same systems.
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FFVII/MGS/RE1-3 sooo exists.
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Characters on different systems in different genres should have less overlap then characters on different systems in the same genre.

You don't think the FFVII/MGS fans wouldn't progress to the PS2?
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Can you point to any examples of RPG SFF other than Tifa/Vyse? Even Old Square and New Square don't really SFF each other, so I'd rather assume Vyse was just that weak.
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Here are more established games from more established series having their ports tank compared to the original game:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3350
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2988
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2622
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2246
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1131
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1127

How many ports can you find that would look that would let their original game look that poor in a BGE-contest against the competition from those polls? It's hard to expect LBP to overcome this established trend with franchise-votes.


You just proved my point. No one cares about Sackboy as a character. He's not someone they nominate because they love him, he's someone they nominate because they love LittleBigPlanet (or, in the case of PS3 owners, are desperate for a mascot).

For all intents and purposes, Solid Snake is the PS3-mascot by a large margin. His game brought the most attention to the PS3 and the MGS-series is a widely respected one that's always respect its roots on the PS-systems, even when MGS1/2 became crossover-titles and Solid joined SSBB. The fact that Sackboy did significantly better against Wesker than Daxter did (as an established 3D-platformer with multiple games, even if he's junk) despite not having a game and having Solid in the poll is compelling. It seems to me that people want to like Sackboy. People were borderline going nuts about Sackboy's design and how customizable he is on top of being excited for his game before its release. PS3-LBP was pretty well-received here too, so I don't think the issue of looking for a new mascot or blind love toward his games is the issue.
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I don't really buy the SFF explanation for Tifa/Vyse. If she could SFF him that badly, the question is: why couldn't Cloud, the King of Square SFF, do it?

The explanation that makes the most sense to me is that a lot of FFVII fans hadn't played Skies of Arcadia and it didn't matter to them whether it was Cloud or Tifa- either was getting their vote. That is, there were very few people with a preference ordering of Cloud > Vyse > Tifa. And Vyse just dropped too of course. That huge a drop in only a year just seems unbelievable.
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Maybe Tifa is just being underrated by us?
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I've never understood why Tifa wasn't the 3rd strongest FFVII character. She has everything going for her; being the character with the 2nd most screen time of FFVII playable characters, Being Hot, being a good battle member, etc.

I've never understood how an OPTIONAL character was stronger then her.
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because he's the typical vampire badass, duh.
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That huge a drop in only a year just seems unbelievable.

It's not like we didn't see huge, seemingly unbelievable gains that year, too.

Hey there, Luigi and Kirby.
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I do wonder how much we're under-rated Tifa in these contests (if we are). At fact value, she performed better against Sephiroth twice than the time Vincent faced him, and she did better against Samus one-on-one than Vincent did despite Ganondorf being in the poll.

We clearly can't take those examples at face value because they're pretty wildly different, but Tifa also easily outdid Vincent in those. If Tifa > Vincent against Sephiroth in this contest, would it change anybody's mind on Vincent > Tifa?
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I'd like to see a Vincent/Tifa match, actually. I don't think it's a guaranteed win for Vincent. Tifa's matches have been too erratic for us to have a very good idea of her strength- just look at Samus and Vyse matches. The primary reason we've thought Vincent was stronger than Tifa all these years is that he was projected to get around 53% on her back in 2005, the last time we had a good read on Tifa. But Tifa's had a major KH2 role since then, which is probably worth more than Dirge of Cerberus, so the upset is possible.

Yes, Vincent has done impressive things since 2005 like going even with Crono 2 years in a row and beating Zelda 56-44. But how do we know Tifa couldn't do those thing too? She did go even with Samus and was projected to beat Zelda by a pretty similar margin through those lol female bracket matches. Then she was snubbed for a year and then fed to Sephiroth. It's a shame both of them are getting fed to Sephiroth again this year.
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Maybe Tifa resists SFF from Sephiroth better because she's more different than him compare to Vincent.

Either way I wouldn't use a SFF match to indicate character strength.
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heck if we had a showdown between tifa and Vincent, winner vs crono, the debates would have been better than Squall vs Auron, I do think Tifa's not been given enough credit, but also the fact that she's missed so many contests seems to make people forget about her.
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