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From: XxSoulxX | #400
I would take Sonic 2010 > Sonic 2003 really easily, actually. Sonic has never been that weak in a contest before.

*looks at 2008 Sonic*

I'm not so sure.
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Again, I think Sonic just sucks in 4-ways. But yeah, he was weaker in 2008 and probably the other 4-way contest as well. We'll see what happens this year.

I do have him losing to Ganondorf so I don't really trust him at all at this point though.
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It all depends on if it's the format that made Sonic and Co. weaker then hell, or if it's just natural aging. I'm betting on a mixture of both. Sonic and friends will be stronger then what the 4-ways show, but weaker then the last 1 Vs. 1 contest showed (where Sonic beat Crono, I believe).

I'm with Soul here, I've been a big component of Sonic-n-gang looking worse in the four-way format...but even then, they look so much worse and arguably worsened since 2007, so it's hard to really know what to expect yet. Shadow's not touching Tidus, I agree, and I still think Shadow/Ammy could easily go either way (I've reluctantly switched to Shadow), but if the four-way format affected any characters or company, Team Sonic has the best case for it...

...at least from what we've seen so far. After this contest, who knows if that will still stand.
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Well, if it's just 70% I suppose the jury will still be out. Every percentage point that Link goes above that though will add support to the idea of Nintendo/Sonic SFF. It takes a lot more of an increase in the strength gap to increase 1% around 70% than around 50%. Plus, if Sonic's in this match, then he already beat Ganondorf and Kirby, which requires a certain amount of strength from him- he can't be completely pathetic.
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Was Kratos' last match really that bad? We don't really know where Diddy is and Falcon looks like even he'd give Alucard a match if Diddy wasn't there (or at least make it interesting).

The performance certainly isn't impressive, but I don't see anything that would tell me he's still not where we expect him to be. At the very least, he is as strong as Lloyd (wasn't he more popular?), and Lloyd has done fine for himself beating Jak and the like.
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The thing is, we thought that the 4-way format affected a lot of things in 2007 (Master Chief and Pokemon in particular).

And then 2008 rolled around, and Master Chief went back to being Master Flop. Enter 2009, and Pokemon RBY rolls through the Games Contest. I'm just not so sure the format affected things as much as we once thought.
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Since when did Pokemon flop in four-ways? Pikachu killed just about everyone in his way twice in a row, and RBY became a legit top 5 game on this site.
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I think Leon was referring to us thinking that 4-ways helped Pokemon.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

From: XxSoulxX | #407
Since when did Pokemon flop in four-ways? Pikachu killed just about everyone in his way twice in a row, and RBY became a legit top 5 game on this site.

Yeah, but we thought they were benefited by it. Same for Chief.

Then Chief proved it was just hype, and RBY proved it was legit strength.
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RBY did it in a four-way contest though. I'd wait until it proves itself in a 1 Vs. 1 contest first before saying anything conclusive.
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2008 Sonic is probably not too far lower than 2003 Sonic. Going directly through Cloud, Sonic was expected to get 55.66% on Bowser. But this was 2003 Bowser, before the Boost, back when Luigi was weaker than Jill Valentine. Magus would have done alright on Sonic in 2003- maybe he wouldn't have won like the x-stats said, but as he beat Ganondorf in addition to putting up 35% on Link, he probably could have put up 45% on Sonic without a problem, and maybe even somewhat higher than that.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3462

1 v 1 isn't going to affect Pokemon outside of Pikachu much.

On the same notion, I doubt 1 v 1 helps Sonic Team much, if at all. In 2k6 Sonic get absolutely pasted by Snake.

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From: XxSoulxX | #411
RBY did it in a four-way contest though. I'd wait until it proves itself in a 1 Vs. 1 contest first before saying anything conclusive.

There's only so much weaker it can be, different format or not.
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maybe he wouldn't have won like the x-stats said, but as he beat Ganondorf in addition to putting up 35% on Link

One thing I think we neglect to mention: 2004 Ganondorf > 2003 Ganondorf

Link wasn't the only one who boosted in 2004.
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One other thing we neglect to mention.

2003 Magus is the biggest fluke in the contest history. At least 2008 Chief had a logical reason.
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To be much closer to Pyramid Head than to Auron? That's just awful.

Shadow did better than Tails did on Auron back before Tails became fodderline. *Everyone* in the match did poorly against Pyramid Head, but Shadow always gets singled out unfairly. Auron did *10% worse* than Bowser did, but because the percentage is higher he gets off for some reason. Pyramid Head just jumped in 2007 for some reason. Probably the movie.
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In 2k6 Sonic get absolutely pasted by Snake.

Are you seriously using 2006, the year where Sonic looked stronger then Crono and Mega Man, as proof to him being weak? Really now. That match had nothing to do with Sonic, and everything to do with Snake being on steroids.
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Actually, I shouldn't say looked because he was legitimately stronger then the both of them.
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Pyramid Head jumping or not, Shadow shouldn't have been noticeably closer to him than to Auron.
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Funny, because I remember a flood of excuses for Sonic after he got destroyed by Snake due to how bad it made him look.

"Sonic can't be only a little bit stronger than Mega Man! Unless Axel and Sora boosted after Kingdom Hearts II (yeah right), Mega Man dropped since last year! Plus, Sonic beat Crono. Crono can't be that weak."

oops

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Clearly Snake rSFFed Sonic due to Brawl hype!
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One thing I think we neglect to mention: 2004 Ganondorf > 2003 Ganondorf

Link wasn't the only one who boosted in 2004.

Sure, but 2003 Ganondorf > 2003 Bowser still. And that's all Magus needs to break 45% on Sonic that year.

5 years later, I think Magus 2003 wasn't the biggest fluke ever, which makes sense too as there was not sufficient reason for Magus to overperform massively on Link out of the blue like that. He overperformed on Link a few percent, but the real Magus was probably worth more than 45% on his overperforming self.

Two things then happened between 2003 and 2005 in addition to this moderate overperformance to bring about Knuckles/Magus: Magus fell considerably, and Sonic Team rose considerably.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I think we argued fervently against Sonic being equal to Mega Man because BT was being such an obnoxious punk about it and we don't want the guy to get his jollies!
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2544
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2553

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2524
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2543

Sonic was freakishly strong in 2006. You're probably thinking of any other year when Sonic actually looked weak.
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Pyramid Head jumping or not, Shadow shouldn't have been noticeably closer to him than to Auron.

The percentage that Shadow beats Pyramid Head by is almost exactly the same as the one that Auron beats him by (~62%). You're assuming that Pyramid Head is/was still uber fodder and he's obviously not. Auron shouldn't have failed to break 80% either and he only got ~72% on Pyramid Head if memory serves.
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Sure, but 2003 Ganondorf > 2003 Bowser still.

Says who? Tidus beats Bowser and Yoshi?

I wonder...
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Oh, you're talking about that argument?

Seriously, do you remember 2006? BT was completely obnoxious about how Mega Man was so far ahead of Sonic that everyone wanted to prove him wrong. Even though Sonic did prove to be stronger, it wasn't as much as we'd hoped. It was still a hell of a lot stronger then what people were predicting of Sonic before the contest even started though.
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uuuh

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2124
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2543

Sonic's showing against Vincent was not a good result. His only good showing was against Luigi, and that can be explained through some sort of SFF (overlapping fanbases, icon vs. Player 2).

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Sonic's showing against Vincent was not a good result.

Right after Vincent had DoC and Advent Children and he got 45% on Crono the year before, that was about what was expected for Sonic, I thought. A lot of people were calling for Sonic's head there.

Sonic/Luigi wasn't SFF.
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I filter out BT's involvement in everything. >_>

But no, 2006 was not a good year for Sonic. If he hadn't beaten Crono, it would be remembered very badly. And beating Crono turned out not to be so impressive..

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Sonic was OK in 2006, but he was probably even more popular in 2005. It's not like a rematch between him and Mega would have swung more than a couple percent anyway. In terms of Sonic I would guess:

2005 > 2006 > 2002 >= 2003=2004 >= Post Brawl Annoucement 2007 > Pre-Brawl Annoucement 2007=2008
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"Heh, heh...The wind...it is blowing."--Ganondorf
This is Yesmar.

From: KamikazePotato | #431
I filter out BT's involvement in everything. >_>

But no, 2006 was not a good year for Sonic. If he hadn't beaten Crono, it would be remembered very badly. And beating Crono turned out not to be so impressive..

It was still an awesome match, and nothing can take that away, even Crono getting weaker! But for Sonic, 2006 was his best year, honestly. He just had to face some tough competition.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Man, seeing Sonic/Vincent makes me wish we could move Vincent, Tifa, and Crono all into Sonic's division. We don't even have to screw with seeding much!
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So let's see here. Instead of thinking Sonic was strong in 2006, you'd rather believe in:

- Luigi getting SFFed.
- Crono becoming weaker.
- Mega Man becoming weaker.
- Snake not boosting.


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And for some reason, the people who argue about Sonic being hurt by 4-ways never mention Mega Man being the same if the theory proves to be true.

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Sonic/Vincent is still one of my favorite match pictures for reasons I can't explain.
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

Funny, because I remember a flood of excuses for Sonic after he got destroyed by Snake due to how bad it made him look.

"Sonic can't be only a little bit stronger than Mega Man! Unless Axel and Sora boosted after Kingdom Hearts II (yeah right), Mega Man dropped since last year! Plus, Sonic beat Crono. Crono can't be that weak."

That was the worst 4 days in contest history for me. Not only did Crono lose to Sonic of all characters, but I was dead wrong on just about everything.

After Sonic beat Crono, I naturally expected him to beat Snake, who'd been the weakest member of the N9 before. Snake had beat Megaman easily, but Megaman had looked horrible, doing worse against Ryu than Bowser and only getting 54% on Sora. Then Snake beat Sonic, and not only beat him, but beat him nearly as badly as he'd beaten Megaman. What?!?

The only way to salvage any of my previous assumptions (and Crono's contest dignity) was to predict Snake to beat Samus easily. After all, Samus had just nearly let Tifa beat her and let Zelda get way closer than she should. I was still arguing Mario > Samus indirectly at this point too. So of course Samus beats Snake easily. Sonic and Crono go from looking decent to good all contest to looking horrible in 4 days, while Megaman ends up on par with them.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

- Luigi getting SFFed.
- Crono becoming weaker.
- Mega Man becoming weaker.

2 of these are true, 1 is debatable.

- Snake not boosting.

what

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From: KamikazePotato | #436
And for some reason, the people who argue about Sonic being hurt by 4-ways never mention Mega Man being the same if the theory proves to be true.

What does Mega Man have to do with Sonic?
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Samus > Snake still puzzles me. I still don't know how that happened.
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
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Samus > Snake still puzzles me. I still don't know how that happened.

Assuming 2004 Sonic = 2006 Sonic, Samus did about as well as expected, didn't she? >_>
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it just strikes me as some desperate attempt to make Sonic decent again is why. Mega Man stands just as much to gain as Sonic if the '4-ways hurts super casual characters' theory proves to be true, but every time the theory is brought up, it's applied to Sonic. "Sonic will be better once we get back to 1 v 1s ect.". People need to learn to let go!

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I don't really understand how you can think everyone around Sonic either boosted or became weaker and Sonic remained the same, but whatever. Think what you want.

2006 was Sonic's best year in this contest. Hopefully he'll follow it up this year but I really doubt it.
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I figure Samus sapped most of Snake's Brawl support. At the time, he was still only in a trailer, if a very hyped trailer.

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...Sonic got a little weaker in 2006. He didn't stay the same.

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I think the glaring reason why Sonic's mentioned as opposed to Mega Man is that Sonic was completely exposed. Tails bombed, Sonic did awful, and Knuckles went from beating Magus to needing the day vote to come back on Rikku (45% on Ryu totally legit!), while Zero looked good and Mega Man looked great until he ran into Samus.
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How far do you think Crono fell then? I mean, there's only so much both of them could have fallen while still beating everyone else in the field.
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Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
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The problem with using Sonic Vs. Luigi as evidence of Sonic's strength, is that your assuming that Luigi is still at his 2005 levels, when there's no reason to think so, other than the match with Zero, who has clearly shown in recent years that he has dropped. Bowser and Kirby's boosts wore off. Why wouldn't Luigi's?
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From: KamikazePotato | #446
...Sonic got a little weaker in 2006. He didn't stay the same.

Based on what? CATS tells us nothing. Vincent probably boosted. His performance against Luigi was actually good. Crono weakened. Snake boosted.
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