GameFAQs Contests

And by Scorpion I mean characters who have a little bit of strength and are known. AKA characters around his level.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

The Boss would absolutely murder Jak. No one has or will care about 3D platforming characters, which has been a recurring contest theme since 2002. Crash, Jak, Ratchet, and whoever else always suck in these polls.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone has one and no one thinks theirs stinks." -Lunar 2

We've seen nothing to say that low tier characters in major series get a lot of franchise votes. If so, then Kefka wouldn't constantly bomb, Midna wouldn't be embaressed be beaten by Frog, and Wario wouldn't be a laughinstock

Just being from a major franchise means nothing if people don't care about you

You do know that everyone you mention would beat Jak/Ratchet/Crash/whatever

>_>
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From: charmander6000 | #353
We've seen nothing to say that low tier characters in major series get a lot of franchise votes. If so, then Kefka wouldn't constantly bomb, Midna wouldn't be embaressed be beaten by Frog, and Wario wouldn't be a laughinstock

Just being from a major franchise means nothing if people don't care about you

You do know that everyone you mention would beat Jak/Ratchet/Crash/whatever

>_>

Touche
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Also, does anyone expect MGS3 to be much bigger than it was in 2006?
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*is Dranze*
Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

Ok, since Albion ignored my request and since I don't understand anything about this x-stats calculator, can someone please find me the value of CATS (the year he beat Drake in the four-way) and The Boss (same year)? I'm curious as to how high Drake would have to boost in order to beat The Boss.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

From: XxSoulxX | #356
Ok, since Albion ignored my request and since I don't understand anything about this x-stats calculator, can someone please find me the value of CATS (the year he beat Drake in the four-way) and The Boss (same year)? I'm curious as to how high Drake would have to boost in order to beat The Boss.

I ignored it cuz we don't have xstats values for last year easily accessible. I think Charmander and Leon made some though but they're not on a site
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The Boss wasn't in that year.
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*is Dranze*
Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

Well, whenever Boss was in last then. Use CATS as the static.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

Assuming I read Ngamer's site correctly...

2007 Boss: 18.50
2008 Nathan: 8.31

Granted this is against L-Block and 2008 Link, but still. You're looking at roughly a doubling.
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Is a momentary gleam all you need?

The Boss would absolutely murder Jak. No one has or will care about 3D platforming characters, which has been a recurring contest theme since 2002. Crash, Jak, Ratchet, and whoever else always suck in these polls.

JAK IS NOT BAD PEOPLE!!!

First of all, 45% on Ness in 2004 is really respectable. Ness was a midcarder then (might still be), and he put up very good numbers against Auron. Secondly, Jak's performance in 2007 wasn't great, but it's still leauges better than Ratchet, who Jak would whoop. Ratchet is bottom feeder fodder, while Jak is at least in the high end/fodder line area of characters.
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This is Yesmar.

That looks more like a tripling to me.
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*is Dranze*
Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3684

Since this was just a month ago, I don't see why anybody would put much worth into today's poll. Uncharted 2's competition today is completely meaningless for our comparisons, and -- though we can't tell exactly where games like MW2 and DA:O will land in the GameFAQs totem pole -- Uncharted 2 has flopped against most games with any name-power this year already. Granted, when we add another 25% to the polls by removing "Other," take some percentage away from MW2 if it's getting Halo 2'd (and/or detracted by Halo ODST) and try to consider what people got for Christmas, maybe Uncharted 2 will improve.

I still don't see it reaching the final-GotY without several games that beat it in the last poll being removed though, which is probably going to happen. When MW2 wins the multiplatform-GotY, that will theoretically eliminate DA:O, AC2, and Borderlands (not to mention any other multi-platform game that might beat it like Batman:AA)...which would only leave MW2 and NSMBW ahead of it. MW2 should eliminate any threat ODST could have been to Uncharted 2, and Dissidia's looking less threatening now that another handheld-Square game is going to be in the poll too. If and when Uncharted 2 reaches the overall-GotY, I hope people don't start going crazier for Drake unless his game does significantly better than last month...

...and even if it does, it's not like MW2 should be as impressive as in the above poll anyway. We saw Halo 2 go from barely beating GTA:SA to getting a distant second place in a similar situation and ODST probably won't do it any favors. I imagine NSMBW should stay pretty consistent (at least not have any more reason to rise or fall than Uncharted 2), so comparisons should probably be made with it instead of MW2 when the time comes again, but NSMBW already beat Uncharted 2 and I'll want to see that decision reversed before I reconsider Drake. Yeah, games =/= characters, but neither his games nor character have impressed me yet. Overturn the loss to NSMBW (which only beat it with 52.64%), and I'll overlook DA:O/AC2/Borderlands/maybe others long enough to reconsider Drake > The Boss. Until then, he's still not proved anything to me yet.
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Jak is the strongest of that group, but he's still really weak.
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Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

Well the 2007 x-stats have The Boss beating CATS with 59.81% assuming 2007 CATS = 2008 CATS The Boss would be expected to beat Nathan Drake 78.98%.

Of course The Boss could have boosted since then.

I think it's safe to say that Uncharted 1 will play no role in Nathan beating The Boss.
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From: LOLContests | Posted: 1/4/2010 2:31:46 PM | #361
The Boss would absolutely murder Jak. No one has or will care about 3D platforming characters, which has been a recurring contest theme since 2002. Crash, Jak, Ratchet, and whoever else always suck in these polls.

JAK IS NOT BAD PEOPLE!!!

First of all, 45% on Ness in 2004 is really respectable. Ness was a midcarder then (might still be), and he put up very good numbers against Auron. Secondly, Jak's performance in 2007 wasn't great, but it's still leauges better than Ratchet, who Jak would whoop. Ratchet is bottom feeder fodder, while Jak is at least in the high end/fodder line area of characters.

No, Jak really is bad. As is Crash, Ratchet, Clank, Dexter and whatever other 3D platformer you name.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 1/4/2010 2:33:44 PM | #365
Well the 2007 x-stats have The Boss beating CATS with 59.81% assuming 2007 CATS = 2008 CATS The Boss would be expected to beat Nathan Drake 78.98%.

Of course The Boss could have boosted since then.

I think it's safe to say that Uncharted 1 will play no role in Nathan beating The Boss.

haha oh lord
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"Final Fantasy XI is a bad game that no one should care about for any reason." -FFDragon

Ok then, I'll argue this one no more. Still not going to change my pick, but those numbers are pretty tough to argue against.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

only 2 more weeks till drake shows he's for real
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Real ****!
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Drake vs. Soap

Who you got
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Drake, I guess.
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That match would 100% depend on picture, but I'd probably go with Soap.
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WHAT'S THE MATTER, SCARED??

Let's talk about the other PS3 character...

Sackboy > Kratos Aurion could happen.
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Don't bother using the x-stats calculator for 4-ways. The final extrapolated standings for 4-ways are so inaccurate, you may as well just use votals to decide. What you can do is compare specific matches- for example: Phoenix got x% on Magus, and Magus got y% on Mario, therefore Phoenix gets x*y% on Mario. That's still going to be bad compared with data from 1v1, but it'll be a whole lot more accurate than calculating with the final predicted values against Link or L-Block.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

No, Jak really is bad. As is Crash, Ratchet, Clank, Dexter and whatever other 3D platformer you name.

You are dead to me.

Dead.

DEAD. Ratchet & Clank is one of the best new series of the last decade.

Well, if you're arguing contest strength, there's no doubt, but game quality? No, sir.

On a more serious note, the ironic thing is, back in 2004, I argued that Jak would be the strongest 3D platforming character, even stronger than Crash (who wasn't strong, but bear with me here, he was facing Ness, who had gotten tripled by Bowser the year before, back before we knew anything of Smash Bros. SFF). The sad thing is that I was right and still got the match wrong. Argh, stupid Ness.

Jakpack of Suck is still one of my favorite match terms, by the way.
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"So cold. I am always by your side."
"There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!"

I thought I made contest strength clear there, but whoops.

I mean contest strength. 3D platformers are just bad.
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"Watching regs bash Ulti is like watching an ant colony revolt against a lawnmower." -Lucid Faia

Sackboy > Kratos Aurion could happen.

I've said my piece on this a lot, but I think it largely boils down on whether or not Kratos Aurion is going to embarrass ToS like he did in 2008 or be the beacon of ToS-strength like other years. I'll take Sackboy either way since LBP made a considerably bigger impact on GameFAQs than any other 3D-platformer not made by Nintendo...but I think he'll only barely win if Kratos Aurion last year was a fluke. Sackboy also could disappoint if you look at the GameSpot results (32.8% on Hayabusa), but taking their results for granted here would be a mistake (plus that was before the PS3 price-cut that put it back on the map or LBP hit the PSP).

Mainly though, it depends on which Kratos Aurion shows up.
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Every time ToS characters aren't stuck against Nintendo characters, they perform okay. Every time they are, they perform poorly.

Sackboy could win, but give me Kratos there.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

I'll take Sackboy either way since LBP made a considerably bigger impact on GameFAQs than any other 3D-platformer not made by Nintendo

Based on what, exactly?
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Let's see....what the silliest upset I'm taking i-

....why do I still have Bowser beating Sora?
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HOPE

I have Kratos there but I'm still hesitant considering he lost to SFF'd Diddy.
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Demyx is better than Axel.

And right now I have Kratos over Sackboy, but I have pretty much no faith in it.
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Never forget - 12/10/2009
HOPE

I have Sackboy, so he will lose.

I also picked whatever his name was over Ratchet because I can't see Ratchet winning a match. Yay?
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Every time ToS characters aren't stuck against Nintendo characters, they perform okay. Every time they are, they perform poorly.

Lloyd Irving did better against MMX with Mudkip and Tom Nook than he did against Zero one-on-one. I don't recall anybody blaming Midna for Kratos Aurion not blowing Agent 47 away, either. Neither Captain Falcon nor Diddy Kong have games similar to ToS, yet Kratos still lost to Diddy despite probably being affected by CF more. I get it's a popular idea and not entirely without reason since this was Kratos Aurion's first terrible performance, but damn it was a terrible one and the Nintendo-idea hasn't really mattered for the two other matches we've seen it tested.


Based on what, exactly?

LBP-polls:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3353
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3476
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3360

J&D-polls:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3717
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2624
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1872
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1488
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=775

R&C-polls:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3718
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2987
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2986
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1872
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1488
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1130

LBP appears to be better received.


Also, just for kicks:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3263
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2892
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ToS has the exact same trends as every Nintendo character and is a Gamecube exclusive. It's as Nintendo as anything else.

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Right, and it wouldn't surprise me if some strong Nintendo characters could SFF him (let's say Yoshi and up, some characters more than others). That said, he ended up in last place where CF and Diddy supposedly pushed him down. They should hardly affect other Nintendo-characters very much, much less ToS-characters, regardless of whether it's a Gamecube-exclusive or not. I also cited two other matches where ToS-characters came out relatively unscathed from Nintendo; Kratos didn't look bothered by Midna and Lloyd actually looked significantly better with Mudkip and Tom Nook (unless Zero and MMX are of similar strength).

If it's a fluke, he'll come back strong this year, but that was also his last performance and the reasoning being used to defend him hasn't worked for him or Lloyd in the past.
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Also, are you taking Shadow > Ammy by chance? He's got a similar argument going on, and he's faced Nintendo characters like Bowser and Link in recent years.
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I don't recall anybody blaming Midna for Kratos Aurion not blowing Agent 47 away, either.

After Midna went toe-to-toe all day with Mewtwo last year seemingly out of nowhere and with no evidence that she could actually hang with the guy, I tend to think there was some Midna/Kratos weirdness there.

And Sonic Team isn't in the same category because they're not exclusive to Nintendo.
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ToS/Nintendo.....eh, it doesn't feel like there should be much of a connection there. What percentage of people who have played ToS have played FFVII? I'd guess that it would be pretty high.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Although I guess I personally know several people who have played ToS, generally play Nintendo games, and haven't played FFVII or the like, so anecdotal evidence supports this ToS/Nintendo connection. I don't trust this anecdote a bit though.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

What percentage of people who have played ToS have played FFVII?

Based on the fact that... they're in the same genre? ToS, being a Gamecube exclusive, has much more overlap with Nintendo (you know, since only Nintendo fans could play it) then it does with a RPG from a different system from a different generation.
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Based on the fact that... they're in the same genre? ToS, being a Gamecube exclusive, has much more overlap with Nintendo (you know, since only Nintendo fans could play it) then it does with a RPG from a different system from a different generation.

Yeah, but I wouldn't expect the numbers to be too different. If we moved away from the Gamecube and onto Nintendo games on other Nintendo consoles, indeed, (say OOT), the difference would be even less or even flipped. ToS is not really the kind of video game that you play if you only have a few games......or so I think anyway.
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And if you're Sonic, who do you blame these performances on?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3303
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3290
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3272
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2922
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2894

I don't quite buy Kirby/Sonic rSFF, nor do I buy Sonic/Sandbag LFF either (but if there WAS Sonic/Sandbag LFF, boy does that make Magus look unbelievably pathetic).

As for Tails...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3260
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2876

I suppose you can blame these on DK and Zelda if you want to, but he still gets hammered by Tidus even if you take DK out of it. DK probably still loses to Tidus without Tails there, too.

And Knuckles...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3250
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2895
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2863

Nearly getting doubled by Mario, hammered by Yoshi twice, and would've lost to Rikku if not for Vaan? I think it's pretty clear he's just a shadow of his former self.

Finally, our boy Shadow...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3245
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2869
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2898

Yeah, you can blame two on Link and Bowser if you like (I tend to think that Bowser/Auron/Ryu/Shadow is more of an instance of Last Place Factor than LFF. Plus, that's a trio of near elites. Anyone who's not a near elite's going to look bad there), but there's no excuse for what happened against Auron and Pyramid Head. To be much closer to Pyramid Head than to Auron? That's just awful.

Honestly, I can give a little leeway to the idea of Nintendo/Sonic Team LFF (though I'm not sold on it) since it makes sense in theory, but I don't think the LFF is in any way significant. Sonic Team just looks bad, and I just think blaming it on Nintendo is a little too convenient. Maybe I'm wrong, and Shadow will prove me wrong by beating Amaterasu without breaking a sweat, but it's still painfully obvious that Sonic Team ain't what they once were. In matches with no visible Nintendo influence, they still look bad, and I'd imagine that, even if you remove Nintendo, they don't fare much better.
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After Midna went toe-to-toe all day with Mewtwo last year seemingly out of nowhere and with no evidence that she could actually hang with the guy, I tend to think there was some Midna/Kratos weirdness there.

An interesting idea since Midna's only other match that year had Samus in it. Still, that's somewhat-loose support and there's still Lloyd's case to consider.


And Sonic Team isn't in the same category because they're not exclusive to Nintendo.

Yeah, but Shadow's probable biggest games here are Nintendo-exclusive (SA2:B, SSBB, the Mario & Sonic Olympics games) and I believe Sonic's multi-platform games with Shadow in them sell best on Nintendo systems. If ToS can be considered Nintendo enough to let Midna, CF, and/or Diddy affect it, Shadow can be Nintendo enough to let Bowser or Link affect him. It's really hard to expect Kratos Aurion to overcome his 2008-performance yet not give Shadow an equal-or-better shot at redeeming himself for 2007 and 2008.
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Link/Sonic will be a sort of test for it, if Sonic gets that far. I'm expecting Link to break 70% without a problem, which he shouldn't be able to do to a character of Sonic's strength, even to this weakened Sonic, without SFF.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Oh, Shadow can definitely beat Amaterasu, but he's not going 50/50 with Tidus anymore.
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Sonic team sucked big time in 4-ways, with or without Nintendo characters in the poll.

It all depends on if it's the format that made Sonic and Co. weaker then hell, or if it's just natural aging. I'm betting on a mixture of both. Sonic and friends will be stronger then what the 4-ways show, but weaker then the last 1 Vs. 1 contest showed (where Sonic beat Crono, I believe).
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I'm expecting Link to break 70% without a problem, which he shouldn't be able to do to a character of Sonic's strength, even to this weakened Sonic, without SFF.

Why not? Cloud doubled him once upon a time. 2010 Link > 2003 Cloud and Sonic 2003 > Sonic 2010.
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I would take Sonic 2010 > Sonic 2003 really easily, actually. Sonic has never been that weak in a contest before.
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