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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:17:30 AM | message detail
Heck Cloud was barely able to do that in 2006 when you removed Sephiroth and they're from the same game.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:18:46 AM | message detail
And he'd probably get 'em, easily. Non-first tier Nintendo characters have pretty extreme amounts of overlap.

And he was bandwagoned....how is that a bad thing? Liquid or Vivi would never beat any Noble Niner even with a bandwagon. Vivi probably wouldn't beat Sephiroth if you put the entire FFVII cast in a poll with them. So Kirby was bandwagoned......so he's not actually stronger than Sonic, and he's not actually a top 10 character......it's not like we're all taking him over Vincent and Squall here.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:20:34 AM | message detail
Heck Cloud was barely able to do that in 2006 when you removed Sephiroth and they're from the same game.

Link also pulled in over 100% of Samus's votes, so I'm not sure how much you want to infer from that.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:21:50 AM | message detail
I'm almost positive Altair is going to beat Liquid. Dunno why, call it the contest equivalent of gutshot poker draw.

Same here. Altair has all the intangibles going in other then past performances, so I'm taking the risk.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:24:02 AM | message detail
soul layin' down the common sense

Yes. Sad thing is, most people will just ignore it and continue to use that same old argument two days from now when the topic resurfaces.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:24:22 AM | message detail
And he'd probably get 'em, easily. Non-first tier Nintendo characters have pretty extreme amounts of overlap.

That's ridiculous if you think the overlap is that much and Nintendo fans are that faithful to those from the same company.

And he was bandwagoned....how is that a bad thing? Liquid or Vivi would never beat any Noble Niner even with a bandwagon.

How do you know? L-Block is probably weaker than both characters and he won the entire contest.


Vivi probably wouldn't beat Sephiroth if you put the entire FFVII cast in a poll with them.

I wonder how long it took you before you realized the problem with that statement. Also let's ignore Vivi he's not even going to defeat Liquid I feel now.


So Kirby was bandwagoned......so he's not actually stronger than Sonic, and he's not actually a top 10 character......it's not like we're all taking him over Vincent and Squall here.

Kirby is also not the strongest non-Noble Nine Nintendo character. I see no reason why he would defeat Ganondorf, Zelda, Luigi, Bowser and Yoshi.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:32:21 AM | message detail
That's ridiculous if you think the overlap is that much and Nintendo fans are that faithful to those from the same company.

Ridiculous? We've seen it happen. Look at Pikachu and Alucard last year. Look at Pikachu and Arthas and how much the percentages moved just by replacing a stronger Ninty character (Ike) with a weaker one (Falcon). And in any case, Kratos is also well beyond Liquid and Vivi.

How do you know? L-Block is probably weaker than both characters and he won the entire contest.

Kirby wasn't bandwagoned like L-Block was, and you're missing the point which is that those results can never be a bad thing for Kirby. They don't prove that he is as strong as Sonic or Sephiroth, and they certainly don't argue that he is weaker than he was in 2005 or 2006.

I wonder how long it took you before you realized the problem with that statement. Also let's ignore Vivi he's not even going to defeat Liquid I feel now.

What's wrong with that statement? I'd feel pretty good about Cloud > Sephiroth > Vivi > Other FFVII Characters happening in that poll. Vivi isn't going to escape the SFF hammer entirely, though he won't get it as bad as the FFVII characters.

Kirby is also not the strongest non-Noble Nine Nintendo character. I see no reason why he would defeat Ganondorf, Zelda, Luigi, Bowser and Yoshi.

I disagree about some of them, but that's besides the point, which is that all of them would dispatch Liquid or Vivi easily.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/28/2009 11:33:37 AM | message detail
I don't get Altair > Liquid. Liquid's game is much more popular and his character is much more iconic, plus he kicked ass last year. He got 33% compared to Luigi's 39% without any SFF going on (hell, maybe Roxas gave some of that PS2 SFF?). Altair was just lucky to get a couple matches with meh characters. He's below Duke and I'd take Liquid over Duke in a heartbeat. And I don't think AC2 will help him much.

Like you guys said though, you were mainly going on gut/intangibles or something so I guess I can't really question that. Good luck to the both of you.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:35:45 AM | message detail
Oh it's a total gutshot pick, just like my Alucard > Magus and Snake > Sephiroth. They just feel right.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/28/2009 11:36:50 AM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #105
soul layin' down the common sense

Yes. Sad thing is, most people will just ignore it and continue to use that same old argument two days from now when the topic resurfaces.


I actually agree with you about Drake and I'm considering the matchup especially considering the good numbers for the PS3 on the site now. But I think the Boss has more fans and people who have never played Uncharted won't even care about Drake, and hell I've spoken to a LOT of Uncharted fans who are also MGS fans and I dunno, but the ones who care more about character would take the Boss easily.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:38:03 AM | message detail
Altair totally has Ninja Factor (ie, HOLY CRAP THIS GUY LOOKS AWESOME) going for him, by the way. If you compare his pictures to Liquid's in the pic topic, none of us can make a good Liquid picture. Month-old corpses are more photogenic than him. But with Altair or Ezio, it's so easy.

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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/28/2009 11:39:08 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #109
Oh it's a total gutshot pick, just like my Alucard > Magus and Snake > Sephiroth. They just feel right.


I took Alucard too but it was more than about a gut feeling, I just think Magus is getting weak as hell. He was awful last year. And I want to take Snake badly as well.. it feels right but I dunno.. that pick is gonna come down to the last minute when I'm looking down the barrel of a gun and have to make a decision.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:39:08 AM | message detail
Didn't you have Magus > Alucard before? I remember arguing with you on that pick.

The thing about Altair is I believe AC2 will boost him up. Not because of him being in it (he was in it for one flashback scene and maybe a few lines are said about him), but AC2 pretty much revitalized the AC franchise, making it more acceptable to be fans of the guy. I also believe AC2 is pretty popular here (AC1 definitely was for some reason), and with all those fans on this site nowadays, Altair and Ezio should gain from that.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:40:26 AM | message detail
I finally caved and picked Alucard for good. He at least has a pulse after noon time. Magus is a cadaver.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/28/2009 11:41:12 AM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #113
Didn't you have Magus > Alucard before? I remember arguing with you on that pick.

The thing about Altair is I believe AC2 will boost him up. Not because of him being in it (he was in it for one flashback scene and maybe a few lines are said about him), but AC2 pretty much revitalized the AC franchise, making it more acceptable to be fans of the guy. I also believe AC2 is pretty popular here (AC1 definitely was for some reason), and with all those fans on this site nowadays, Altair and Ezio should gain from that.


Making it acceptable to be a fan of his won't translate to too many votes IMO. No one will know your vote.

From: UltimaterializerX | #111
Altair totally has Ninja Factor (ie, HOLY CRAP THIS GUY LOOKS AWESOME) going for him, by the way. If you compare his pictures to Liquid's in the pic topic, none of us can make a good Liquid picture. Month-old corpses are more photogenic than him. But with Altair or Ezio, it's so easy.

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That is so very true, he definitely has the pic factor.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:41:41 AM | message detail
THIS IS ONLY ABOUT LIQUID, NOT VIVI, I WAS WRONG ABOUT THE MAGE.

Ridiculous? We've seen it happen. Look at Pikachu and Alucard last year. Look at Pikachu and Arthas and how much the percentages moved just by replacing a stronger Ninty character (Ike) with a weaker one (Falcon). And in any case, Kratos is also well beyond Liquid and Vivi.

Arthas went from 45% to 41% on a more SFFable opponent, not exactly a huge movement. I think Liquid vs. Kratos would be a good match, though Kratos would be the favourite.


Kirby wasn't bandwagoned like L-Block was, and you're missing the point which is that those results can never be a bad thing for Kirby. They don't prove that he is as strong as Sonic or Sephiroth, and they certainly don't argue that he is weaker than he was in 2005 or 2006.

Leading Cloud for over an hour was pretty big heck he went from 53.5% on Dante to 59.5% and that's with Sonic in the poll. Not as impressive as L-Block, but still pretty good.


What's wrong with that statement? I'd feel pretty good about Cloud > Sephiroth > Vivi > Other FFVII Characters happening in that poll. Vivi isn't going to escape the SFF hammer entirely, though he won't get it as bad as the FFVII characters.

Maybe because Vivi will also suffer SFF from Cloud and Sephiroth, diluting the efforts of the other FFVII characters.


I disagree about some of them, but that's besides the point, which is that all of them would dispatch Liquid or Vivi easily.

Who? The only one I can see people having trouble with is Yoshi. Liquid was still able to put up 45% on Luigi meaning that Kirby won't get anymore than 55% on Liquid.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:43:18 AM | message detail
By the way, I'm 100% convinced Shadow would be the strongest FF6 contest character. Everyone loves a ninja.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:44:24 AM | message detail
Shadow would lose to the lettuce
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:47:46 AM | message detail
4% is a big movement when Kirby only needs to move from 43% to 50% to beat Kratos. And that 4% came from just replacing one character with another, while Kirby would get to completely take DK out of the match, not just replace him with a weaker Nintendo character.

I have no idea what you're trying to argue with this bandwagon thing. Are you saying that Kirby's 2008 run actually indicates that he is weaker than we thought? That the better he did, the worse we should think he looks? The most negative you can reasonably be is to just throw out the 2008 run and look at 2005 and 2006, where Kirby already showed himself to be plenty strong, and more than a match for Liquid, even MGS4 boosted Liquid.

Why exactly don't you think Kirby could win a rematch with Bowser or Luigi?
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:54:06 AM | message detail
I have no idea what you're trying to argue with this bandwagon thing. Are you saying that Kirby's 2008 run actually indicates that he is weaker than we thought? That the better he did, the worse we should think he looks? The most negative you can reasonably be is to just throw out the 2008 run and look at 2005 and 2006, where Kirby already showed himself to be plenty strong, and more than a match for Liquid, even MGS4 boosted Liquid.

I'm just tired of people taking his 2k8 value without looking at why he got where he is. I'm also tired at people who think Kirby has a better shot on Sonic than Ganondorf and that it is impossible for him to lose for the division final. I agree that Kirby is the favourite and have him in my bracket, but at the same time I see Liquid keeping up. Think MC/Hayabusa yesterday, just because I think MC will win doesn't mean he'll win in a convincing matter.


Why exactly don't you think Kirby could win a rematch with Bowser or Luigi?

I have no reason to believe that he has boosted or Bowser and Luigi have dropped.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:57:10 AM | message detail
Ganondorf will be the one beating Sonic, and Kirby will be the one beating Ganondorf.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/28/2009 11:58:24 AM | message detail
Whoa whoa whoa.... you people are arguing Kirby/Vivi?

What the ****?

Kirby's path is set in stone barring a complete collapse from Sonic. Where the hell is all of this Vivi talk coming from?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/28/2009 11:59:31 AM | message detail
And wouldn't Seph/Snake be a full day match, being in the quarterfinals and all?
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 12:01:52 PM | message detail
Ganondorf will be the one beating Sonic, and Kirby will be the one beating Ganondorf.

Kirby is not beating Ganondorf.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 12:03:45 PM | message detail
Whoa whoa whoa.... you people are arguing Kirby/Vivi?

Kirby/Liquid with everyone thinking Kirby will win, it was by how much he would win.


And wouldn't Seph/Snake be a full day match, being in the quarterfinals and all?

Nope semi-finals and final are full days.
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machinegungeek | Posted 12/28/2009 12:34:36 PM | message detail
Really, no more thoughts on Sora/Bowser and Auron/Squall? Really? Those are some serious matchups....

Okay, fwiw, we all figure that Kirby was bandwagoned, but no one can really explain it. What, he boosts from losing 60/40 ish to Naked Snake? It never made any sense, so anyone who is 100% certain of Kirby's strength is kidding themselves. Though he won't be weaker than 05 and 06.
I really can't see him losing to Liquid, though stranger (*cough BB *cough) things have happened I suppose...

ND vs. the Boss is tough to call but is only minorly relevant given both of their low levels. I also think that the combination of Uncharted 2 making Drake much more popular than the first game did and the PS3 boosting from the slim (how I got mine...).

If we want to talk about first round fodder, how about Ken/Wesker. They both look like alright midcardders to me, especially since RE5 HAD to have boosted Wesker. I mean, he's all OVER that game. And he owns Mercs. mode but only I give a whoot about that. And Ken is the red Ryu.
charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 12:38:11 PM | message detail
How big is Wesker in RE5? This is the same guy that almost lost to a character who didn't have a game at the time.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/28/2009 12:45:09 PM | message detail
Really, no more thoughts on Sora/Bowser and Auron/Squall?

Comes down to your personal thoughts I guess. Personally I think Sora's 2006 was overrated because IMO he's kinda like the Chief, doesn't blow things out but doesn't lose by large margins even against NNers, and Bowser has finished higher in every other 1v1 competition. I also like that Sora will not have an ASV to rely on, and Bowser will have the Nintendo Power Hour. People say that the time of day will not matter as much as we think it will but I disagree.

Auron and Squall.. admittedly I am not a fan of FF games, but it seems to me that Squall is stronger than Auron and will win out on the FF hierarchy in a close match. If anyone has evidence otherwise I would be really grateful for that because I don't have a clue if Auron actually does have a good shot.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/28/2009 12:47:37 PM | message detail
What makes you think Sora hasn't proven himself? He's done it even after that Mega Man performance. Bowser meanwhile has cooled off since 2005.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 12:51:30 PM | message detail
I think we've pretty much fleshed out most of the interesting topics already. Of course, I am confident we will be majorly surprised come contest time by a match we currently consider obvious, but there's no way to know ahead of time which those will be.

I recently switched to Tidus > Sub-Zero. They're probably about even statistically, and Tidus just feels right. I've always had some trouble accepting that the Mortal Kombat characters are as strong as they are, which is probably baseless given their actual contest performances are very solid, but between an FF protagonist and an MK character, I'll go with the FF protagonist here. Plus, I like Tidus more, and in matches I consider 50/50 I always go with the character I personally prefer.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 12:53:32 PM | message detail
Bowser isn't that bad, he's equal to Luigi and besides he was overrated in 2005 going up against Solid **** and being fresh off of the villain's contest.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/28/2009 1:05:29 PM | message detail
Yep, his 2005 was overrated but besides that he's been solid. He's not dropping, he just went against Solid **** and looked a lot better than normal.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/28/2009 1:06:51 PM | message detail
One match I'm debating that I haven't seen any discussion on is Terra/Revan. There's no way Revan is anywhere near HK-47. But is Terra strong enough to take advantage? Any other opinions on that match?
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 1:10:11 PM | message detail
I'm not sure how much he overperformed on Snake. He finished 4% higher than Zelda, and clearly he did overperform, but by how much? The thing is that he beat Ryu with 59%, which is more than the 4 Noble Niners who have faced Ryu have been able to beat him by. Back in 2005 there was a lot of discussion about Bowser > Ganondorf on the idea that the SFF would favor Bowser over the ultimate leech, though I don't think many would consider that upset anymore.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 1:17:10 PM | message detail
One match I'm debating that I haven't seen any discussion on is Terra/Revan. There's no way Revan is anywhere near HK-47. But is Terra strong enough to take advantage? Any other opinions on that match?

When I made my bracket initially I just went with Revan on the basis that Terra was fodder, but yeah, that match should be getting more attention. Let's see.....HK-47 put up about 27% on the weakest Crono we've ever seen (2007), while Vercetti put up 30% on Crono back in 2005, and 51% on Kefka. Both CT and FFVI probably fell by similar amounts from 2005 to 2007, so that probably puts Kefka above HK-47, which would give Terra a chance here, although I'm not at all sure about HK-47 being stronger than Revan.

You can argue that HK-47 got Last Place Factored in that match though, considering how much worse he did against Zero than in round 1.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/28/2009 1:21:38 PM | message detail
why would a side character for kotor be stronger then

-Kotor spoilers-


The main character?


-end kotor spoilers-
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/28/2009 1:21:42 PM | message detail
I'm not sure how much he overperformed on Snake. He finished 4% higher than Zelda, and clearly he did overperform, but by how much? The thing is that he beat Ryu with 59%, which is more than the 4 Noble Niners who have faced Ryu have been able to beat him by. Back in 2005 there was a lot of discussion about Bowser > Ganondorf on the idea that the SFF would favor Bowser over the ultimate leech, though I don't think many would consider that upset anymore.

Pretty sure that one died after Samus/Mario went as expected. The fact that Bowser has nose dived for no apparant reason the last 3 contests doesn't help his case. 2005 was CLEARLY a fluke year. Look at Bowser's contest history, 2005 is the obvious outlier.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/28/2009 1:23:05 PM | message detail
why would a side character for kotor be stronger then

-Kotor spoilers-


The main character?


-end kotor spoilers-


Auron/Tidus?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/28/2009 1:23:57 PM | message detail
true, but auron is badass and tidus is a whiny baby

i dont think anyone would have a strong dislike for revan like tidus
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/28/2009 1:34:17 PM | message detail
My only argument for Revan is that he'll be closer to HK-47 than Terra is to Kefka.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/28/2009 1:38:06 PM | message detail
true, but auron is badass and tidus is a whiny baby

i dont think anyone would have a strong dislike for revan like tidus


You don't have to dislike Revan to like HK-47 more. HK's a fan favorite... Revan is a Commander Shephard kind of guy, if I remember right.

also HK's in both games.. and apparently in the Star Wars Galaxies... not that anyone cares about that
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/28/2009 1:58:08 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 12/28/2009 11:38:03 AM | #111
Altair totally has Ninja Factor (ie, HOLY CRAP THIS GUY LOOKS AWESOME) going for him, by the way. If you compare his pictures to Liquid's in the pic topic, none of us can make a good Liquid picture. Month-old corpses are more photogenic than him. But with Altair or Ezio, it's so easy.

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Goddamn, now I'm wanting to go back to Altair/Liquid SO MUCH. Seriously, that pic IS awesome, and I took one of those gut upsets too (Alucard/Magus of course, I'm not confident on Snake>Seph after 2k5). Augh, what to do...

From: MoogleKupo141 | Posted: 12/28/2009 1:38:06 PM | #141
true, but auron is badass and tidus is a whiny baby

i dont think anyone would have a strong dislike for revan like tidus


You don't have to dislike Revan to like HK-47 more. HK's a fan favorite... Revan is a Commander Shephard kind of guy, if I remember right.

also HK's in both games.. and apparently in the Star Wars Galaxies... not that anyone cares about that


I'm taking Revan for a simple reason: Appealing design. Assuming he doesn't get a truly garbage pic, what would the casuals go for? This?

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/15359/792559-2967636546_ca4c00f298_large.jpg

Or this?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/28/2009 2:01:59 PM | message detail
mmm boobs
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/28/2009 2:05:54 PM | message detail
Though I do hope they get a green haired pic of Terra

nobody likes blonde terra

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machinegungeek | Posted 12/28/2009 2:09:48 PM | message detail
I'm bored, so how about a stupid question. If round 2 features BB with The Naked Snake pic (TM), what kind of percentage could he pull on Mario. Could he break 40? I think it could happen. I wouldn't bet on it, but still...
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/28/2009 2:10:17 PM | message detail
...Why is she wearing her bed's blanket?
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/28/2009 2:11:30 PM | message detail

From: machinegungeek | Posted: 12/28/2009 2:09:48 PM | #145
I'm bored, so how about a stupid question. If round 2 features BB with The Naked Snake pic (TM), what kind of percentage could he pull on Mario. Could he break 40? I think it could happen. I wouldn't bet on it, but still...


BB was near identical to Snake if R2 stats are used, I believe. I'd honestly expect to see something like a real showdown between them, so...probably 45/46%?
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machinegungeek | Posted 12/28/2009 2:38:11 PM | message detail
But that match involved Kirby and Kirby was just freakin' weird that whole contest. Did Naked Snake beat the same Kirby that beat Sonic? Or did he beat 06 Kirby. The world may never know....

And how do you quote messages? I can't figure it out for the life of me and now must resort to asking and looking like a moron. Oh well....
red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 2:45:17 PM | message detail
We've already seen BB with a Snake pic against Mario. He got about 35%, although granted, that was before MGS4 and the Deboost. BB is not near Snake even with a picture that looks like him.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2900&num=4
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machinegungeek | Posted 12/28/2009 2:52:48 PM | message detail
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