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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 770

KamikazePotato | Posted 12/27/2009 10:26:08 PM | message detail
I'll say this on Hayabusa/Chief: it can go either way, entirely because Chief plays to his opponent's level. A little push from either side could clinch it.

Although I am inclined to give it to Chief thanks to it being a day match.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/27/2009 10:26:21 PM | message detail
How does it disprove it? it got more Nintendo fans to support Snake... that was the whole point of what I said.

But yet Snake beat Cloud even with Link in the poll. Why didn't he get "SFF'd" there and still lose if he's getting more Nintendo support? Not to mention, he was beating Link for a while.

It does NOT explain Snake getting 12%

He was facing three of the strongest contest forces this contest has ever seen. Good luck to anyone trying to get more than 12-15% there. Link, Cloud, and the L-Block phenomenon were just too much for Snake or anyone.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 12/27/2009 10:26:51 PM | message detail
Rallying was insignificant in a match that got roughly 60,000 more votes than the average match that contest.

Really.
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swirIdude | Posted 12/27/2009 10:26:57 PM | message detail
Besides this, everybody who had any sense knew Link would have the best shot at taking L-block after winning every tournament except 2k3 (where he had a Wind Waker pic against Cloud)

Oh come on! Why is this ridiculous crap back? Cloud boosted from Kingdom Hearts and the resulting Square shift in the GameFAQs voter that year. Wind Waker pictures didn't make Link suddenly suck, in fact his worst performance in a win was against Magus when he had a Legend of Zelda sprite!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/27/2009 10:27:15 PM | message detail
Talking about any tournament.

If you are talking about 1vs1, it doesn't matter because that was almost 4 years ago. If you are talking about 4 ways, I'd like to see your calculations for it.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/27/2009 10:28:47 PM | message detail
No, Link and Cloud were naturally a lot stronger than Snake (like Cloud would have gotten near 60% on him that year probably), and everyone knew Snake had no chance. Link and Cloud were both past contest champions, and L-Block was L-Block. If you were an FFVII fan, you probably weren't going to not vote for Cloud in the final because you thought he had no chance. He's Cloud Strife, former champion, and you don't just give up on him in a final and vote for an inanimate object or his arch-enemy. But if you were a Snake fan? Then you'd already seen your character lose twice to L-Block, and not a single sign that he could beat Link or Cloud this year when he'd never been able to get close before.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/27/2009 10:32:49 PM | message detail

From: swirIdude | #054
Besides this, everybody who had any sense knew Link would have the best shot at taking L-block after winning every tournament except 2k3 (where he had a Wind Waker pic against Cloud)

Oh come on! Why is this ridiculous crap back? Cloud boosted from Kingdom Hearts and the resulting Square shift in the GameFAQs voter that year. Wind Waker pictures didn't make Link suddenly suck, in fact his worst performance in a win was against Magus when he had a Legend of Zelda sprite!


Hahaha, that was a joke, I was wondering if anybody would take notice :) Cloud did win that fair and square.

From: LeonhartFour | #052
How does it disprove it? it got more Nintendo fans to support Snake... that was the whole point of what I said.

But yet Snake beat Cloud even with Link in the poll. Why didn't he get "SFF'd" there and still lose if he's getting more Nintendo support? Not to mention, he was beating Link for a while.

It does NOT explain Snake getting 12%

He was facing three of the strongest contest forces this contest has ever seen. Good luck to anyone trying to get more than 12-15% there. Link, Cloud, and the L-Block phenomenon were just too much for Snake or anyone.


1. He got support from both sides.
2. Cloud was not one of those forces, as seen by him getting 9% less than L-block and 5% less than Link.. in a 4-way. As I said, barely any rallying was going on for him. Yet he still whooped Snake.

From: MarioSuperstar | #055
Talking about any tournament.

If you are talking about 1vs1, it doesn't matter because that was almost 4 years ago. If you are talking about 4 ways, I'd like to see your calculations for it.


Look at the links posted on page 2 of the last topic for 2008. And if you need proof of 2007 then I think you have a terrible memory.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/27/2009 10:37:07 PM | message detail
I don't think I get you on that one. Are you talking about an actual x-stat list, or did you actually compare their performances individually? If you are talking about a list I don't even know why an x-stat list even exists for 4 ways; it can't be trusted.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/27/2009 10:42:40 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #058
I don't think I get you on that one. Are you talking about an actual x-stat list, or did you actually compare their performances individually? If you are talking about a list I don't even know why an x-stat list even exists for 4 ways; it can't be trusted.


That's why I said he got farther as well. I am completely in agreeance with you that 4-way data is completely unreliable. Said that in the last topic numerous times.

MC has finished higher than Ryu H in 1v1 xstats too though so I'm not sure what your point is.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/27/2009 10:45:37 PM | message detail
"Getting farther" isn't exactly a reasonable argument. Some fourpacks are tougher than others. You can't tell me that simply because Altair got farther than say, Zelda and Knuckles, you would take him over both of those characters?

MC has finished higher than Ryu H in 1v1 xstats too though so I'm not sure what your point is.

And again, it is not sound to actually think you can trust Ryu H 3/4 years ago when he has proven twice that he's much more popular than what was shown those years.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/27/2009 10:54:05 PM | message detail
Didn't Ganondorf get SFFd by Samus in the last character battle?

Because Ganondorf lost to Gordon Freeman in that match, I in fact (stupidly) took Half-Life 2 to beat Twilight Princess in the games contest. I didn't believe Ganon getting SFFd by Samus one bit. The only reason I can think of is that both characters actually take most of their popularity from the SSB series and thus Samus was able to SFF him there. Or maybe he split goatie votes with Gordon Freeman (lol). Who knows?

As far as the Nintendo hierarchy goes, I'd say:

Kirby
Zelda
Luigi
Ganondorf
Bowser
Yoshi
machinegungeek | Posted 12/27/2009 11:11:35 PM | message detail
So who's everyone taking in the Sora v. Bowser and Auron v. Squall matchups.

Both Bowser and Sora had similar strength in 2006 and 2007 and both have been decliney. I really don't know. And I have no clue to the Auron v. Squall. I like either one depending how I look at it...

Oh and I have MC edging out RH and GF over Peach, fwiw.
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/27/2009 11:15:41 PM | message detail
1. He got support from both sides.

So then he should have lost support from both sides. Having two sides drain you doesn't seem to be an ideal situation for nearly beating Cloud and Link. If there really is a hierarchy, then Snake should've lost to both of them. If Nintendo was the reason why Snake was able to catch up to Cloud last year, then he should've folded when Link took that Nintendo support away.

And Snake isn't a Nintendo character by any stretch of the imagination. His day vote is still bad.

2. Cloud was not one of those forces, as seen by him getting 9% less than L-block and 5% less than Link.. in a 4-way. As I said, barely any rallying was going on for him. Yet he still whooped Snake.

Cloud is the 3rd strongest character (in terms of raw strength, not bandwagoning like Snake got last year) that this site has ever seen, so yes, he is a force. He was much stronger than Snake in 2007, rallying or not. Why are you surprised he whooped Snake anyway?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2565

Look, here's Cloud doubling Snake on the next to last day of the Battle Royale. This was post-Brawl announcement, too.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/27/2009 11:15:45 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #060
"Getting farther" isn't exactly a reasonable argument. Some fourpacks are tougher than others. You can't tell me that simply because Altair got farther than say, Zelda and Knuckles, you would take him over both of those characters?

MC has finished higher than Ryu H in 1v1 xstats too though so I'm not sure what your point is.

And again, it is not sound to actually think you can trust Ryu H 3/4 years ago when he has proven twice that he's much more popular than what was shown those years.


Okay.. again, what is your point? I did say the match is not a certainty. I'm just saying based on what we know I think the Chief will take the match in a close one (probably 52% or something). And as I said before, I dispute that he is THAT much more popular than he used to be. He just does well with a casual voter and crumbles against "badass" characters like Snake. Chief is also a badass character that is more popular overall and importantly is more popular on the Xbox. But this is what makes using the 4-way data so unreliable. Nobody knows 100% sure why a character does well and then suddenly drops in the 4-ways, it's all theories. I just happen to think my theory makes logical sense, and we'll find out what happens in 2 months. I don't even really care about trying to convince you guys anymore, why should I even do so if I'm trying to win the contest and I think I'm right? I'm taking the Chief, and we'll find out who was correct when the match happens. It's been fun debating this and getting different viewpoints though. I've changed my mind on numerous matches since reading these topics.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/27/2009 11:17:08 PM | message detail
I don't even really care about trying to convince you guys anymore, why should I even do so if I'm trying to win the contest and I think I'm right?

The same reason I argue everything in this topic.

It's fun.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/27/2009 11:29:12 PM | message detail
Who has ever 'crumbled' to Master Chief?
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/27/2009 11:37:22 PM | message detail

From: machinegungeek | #062
So who's everyone taking in the Sora v. Bowser and Auron v. Squall matchups.

Both Bowser and Sora had similar strength in 2006 and 2007 and both have been decliney. I really don't know. And I have no clue to the Auron v. Squall. I like either one depending how I look at it...

Oh and I have MC edging out RH and GF over Peach, fwiw.


Took Bowser, they both seem equally strong, and I liked that it's a night match. No ASV for Sora. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Sora won though.

As for Auron and Squall.. I dunno. Squall seems to be the stronger of the two according to most of the previous years so I took him.

From: LeonhartFour | #063

2. Cloud was not one of those forces, as seen by him getting 9% less than L-block and 5% less than Link.. in a 4-way. As I said, barely any rallying was going on for him. Yet he still whooped Snake.

Cloud is the 3rd strongest character (in terms of raw strength, not bandwagoning like Snake got last year) that this site has ever seen, so yes, he is a force. He was much stronger than Snake in 2007, rallying or not. Why are you surprised he whooped Snake anyway?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2565

Look, here's Cloud doubling Snake on the next to last day of the Battle Royale. This was post-Brawl announcement, too.


He wasn't a rallying force was my point. I know he has strength, jeez. But he got beat out by 5% in a 4-way to Link, when he'd normally lose by 5% in a 1v1. Link clearly had more rallying.

Anyway, posting an announcement is not suddenly going to get most Nintendo fans to support Snake. Playing the game with him in it will draw more support.

From: LeonhartFour | #065
I don't even really care about trying to convince you guys anymore, why should I even do so if I'm trying to win the contest and I think I'm right?

The same reason I argue everything in this topic.

It's fun.


I actually said that very same thing in the post you quoted, it's been fun debating. So at least we can agree on that :)

From: MarioSuperstar | #066
Who has ever 'crumbled' to Master Chief?


You're taking what I said out of context. The point is Ryu H gains casual support against cultish characters. We've seen this with guys like Altair and Marcus Fenix. But Master Chief has casual appeal too. So Ryu H cannot rely on it in this match. I JUST said MC would likely only get 52%, maybe even less. Ryu H will not crumble to him, he crumbles to casual guys who don't get anti-voted, lol.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/27/2009 11:54:37 PM | message detail
I'm amazed the turn around for PS3 in one year. Last year it had like 65% of the site not having one, now its 45%
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consolefreak | Posted 12/28/2009 2:45:54 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2565

Ironically, that match (and the following one) provides a great argument for FF/MGS SFF. Link beat Cloud with 54% the following day. In a no SFF/LFF situation, we would thus expect Link to get about 54% of the votes Snake had the day before. Yet he only got 47.25% of Snake's votes. And this doesn't account for all of the overlapping voters already voting Cloud in the first place, which, seeing as how Cloud nearly doubled Snake here, a lot of them seemed to have done.

So how can you claim that Snake/Cloud are not both SFFing and LFFing each other here?

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/28/2009 3:08:55 AM | message detail
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message detail I'm amazed the turn around for PS3 in one year. Last year it had like 65% of the site not having one, now its 45%


All of the chronic spenders already had the other systems. That and price drop. I'm still waiting for a game that will blow me away on the PS3.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/28/2009 3:35:07 AM | message detail
Snake/Sora would suggest a pretty big PS2 overlap, not to mention what happens whenever FFX goes up against anything on the PSX.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 12/28/2009 3:36:33 AM | message detail
Since the PS3 is apparently gaining in popularity, do characters like Drake have better chances to perform well this year?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/28/2009 3:42:36 AM | message detail
Let's see...there has been one character who has crumbled against Master Chief. His name is...Crash Bandicoot!

Good thing Crash wasn't allowed in this year. Or did I just miss his name in the bracket...?
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From: Lightslayer987 | Posted: 12/28/2009 12:24:32 AM | #008
jim caldwell is probably the most hated man in indy right now


It's not even the undefeated thing. If they were 13-1 and pulled this crap, I'd be equally pissed off. The strategy of resting guys late in the season almost never works, and I point to history. The last team to win the Super Bowl while resting guys was the Rams in 1999; before that, the 49ers in 1994. Teams that go for broke and keep their momentum going into the playoffs always do well. It's one thing to lose when playing your best. If you get beat, you get beat. But when you willingly lose, the football gods punish you. The Colts are probably the poster boys for this. When they rest guys not only do they not win the Super Bowl, they usually fail to win even ONE playoff game. I almost hope they lose their first one again this year, then maybe it'll sink in not to rest people late in the season unless they're hurt.

Although doing it when you're 14-0 almost guarantees some bad karma. Denying the entire fanbase of an entire sport the opportunity to root for/against an undefeated season -- while playing at your best or only resting the guys that are injured -- is moronic. And don't give me "someone might get injured". Someone might get injured on any play in any season. You never see guys getting rested with 5 point leads halfway through the third quarter in Week 6.
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From: Masato_Tanaka | Posted: 12/28/2009 6:36:33 AM | #072
Since the PS3 is apparently gaining in popularity, do characters like Drake have better chances to perform well this year?


Drake can't POSSIBLY be worse than doubled by CATS. He has a decent chance of beating The Boss, but Uncharted 2 has about the same sales and acclaim of the original. It's all about whether the PS3 itself can boost, because I don't think Nathan is going anywhere.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 12/28/2009 3:59:51 AM | message detail
but Uncharted 2 has about the same sales and acclaim of the original.

Everything else you said was pretty much right on target. But I'd say Uncharted 2 has a bit more acclaim at least, sales I'm not positive on. I'm pretty sure I saw it getting quite a few more 5/5 and 10/10s than the first one earned, however.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/28/2009 6:31:00 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #073
Let's see...there has been one character who has crumbled against Master Chief. His name is...Crash Bandicoot!

Good thing Crash wasn't allowed in this year. Or did I just miss his name in the bracket...?


Pretty sure Crash was in the vote-in polls but missed the cut.

MC/Ryu H screams Mario/Samus 2.0. Plus MC still has Halo games to keep him relevant (he wasn't in ODST as far as I know, but then I see people here saying AC2 will boost Altair when he wasn't even in it, so whatever), while what the hell has Ryu H been in recently? But hey, might as well take L-Block over Kratos/Charizard by your guys' logic! Talk about desperate for an upset. I'm ****ing warning you that I'm going to gloat like a mother****er if MC wins. An upset is possible, sure, but it's still a ****ing upset. Anyone who thinks Ryu H has more than a 25% of winning is one less bracket to worry about in pretty much every contest we will ever have in the foreseeable future.

Also, I can't believe that as much people here claim "Characters =/= Games", I still see people claiming Uncharted 2 will boost Drake to the point of beating The Boss. Really? After losing to that pathetic piece of **** CATS? If you can't beat CATS, you don't deserve a second chance. Critical acclaim means jack **** (look at Jade from BGaE, one of the weakest characters ever), sales mean jack **** (hello, GTA crew). Uncharted 2 may be pretty popular, but it's not popular here. Nathan Drake doesn't have the appeal to draw voters outside the 10% who've played and enjoyed Uncharted 2. I hear he's actually a pretty good character in the game, but most people here don't know that. They'll just see some generic dude against a MGS character. Hmmm, I wonder what they will choose?

If you have Nathan Drake over The Boss, you better have Soap making Round 3, since for both you're relying on critical acclaim and sales of games to boost characters, and when the hell has that ever been a good formula?
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 6:59:29 AM | message detail
Everyone forgets that Crash is in the bracket, it's funny since his opponent is Hayabusa.

This is not Mario/Samus, I don't think anyone supporting Hayabusa considers him the favourite and Master Chief has no chance and are merely saying that he has a chance. Also doesn't that analogy make Master Chief Samus since going by x-stats both were higher than their opponents?
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3rdTimesDeCharm | Posted 12/28/2009 8:15:41 AM | message detail
Beyond just ryu hayabusa, im having a hard time settling on the seven seeds. Some seem simple enough, really im curious as to what others make of ryu, vivi, companion cube and charizard. I pick them all to win thier first matchup having complete confidence in all of them except vivi, but then it becomes somewhat of a toss-up deciding how well they do in the following round. Would the cube edge out somewhat mediocre competion in drake/the boss? As for the other three is it proposterous to think they make it to the fourth round?
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 8:32:15 AM | message detail
Beyond just ryu hayabusa, im having a hard time settling on the seven seeds. Some seem simple enough, really im curious as to what others make of ryu, vivi, companion cube and charizard. I pick them all to win thier first matchup having complete confidence in all of them except vivi, but then it becomes somewhat of a toss-up deciding how well they do in the following round. Would the cube edge out somewhat mediocre competion in drake/the boss? As for the other three is it proposterous to think they make it to the fourth round?

Charizard is not beating Kratos, he'll have a harder time against Duke Nukem than Kratos will have against him IMO. Cube it depends on how strong you think joke characters are in this format, while Ryu and Vivi have a good chance at beating Dante and Liquid Snake. The winner of Dante/Ryu and Kratos/Charizard should win the third round match while Kirby vs. Vivi/Liquid is a toss up and there's no way anyone from that four-pack is going to beat Luigi.
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voltch | Posted 12/28/2009 8:35:54 AM | message detail
I got the impression that Uncharted 2 was failing to match the sales of the first one like Resistance 2, but received far more acclaim, kinda weird how these things happen.
Still i just realized how not a single Valkyria chronicles character was to be seen, I honestly expected that game to generate some tales like fanboys.
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swirIdude | Posted 12/28/2009 10:26:02 AM | message detail
Still i just realized how not a single Valkyria chronicles character was to be seen, I honestly expected that game to generate some tales like fanboys.

Don't know why you'd expect an obscure, small sales game with an ensemble cast to get anyone in.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 10:31:22 AM | message detail
The better question is why do we want any of them?
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swirIdude | Posted 12/28/2009 10:33:23 AM | message detail
Because the characters are awesome, and you should all play it now!

It's $20 Gamestop New! Come on people!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/28/2009 10:47:50 AM | message detail
VC characters would make Jade look respectable
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/28/2009 10:50:12 AM | message detail
Kirby vs. Vivi/Liquid is a toss up

No it isn't.

Got a question for you all. How many of you knew who Drake was the last contest he was in? I'm not saying "knew the name" know, I'm talking about if someone said the name randomly you can list off character traits about him.

The thing that some of you guys aren't getting is that Drake's popularity exploded after Uncharted 2 came out. Even if you didn't play the games, you can still see a random picture of him and say "oh yeah, that's that Drake guy from those PS3 games". He didn't have that in his first contest because no one in their right mind knew who he was except for the very limited group of people who had a PS3 and bought Uncharted.

He's going to get a big boost from last contest. If you keep using the old "he lost to CATS he has no chance of winning" BS, then please tell me that you have Peach beating Gordon because Gordon lost to Tina Armstrong.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 10:56:40 AM | message detail
No it isn't.

Yes it is, stop overrating Kirby.

Maybe not a tossup, but Kirby isn't going to win that match with more than 55%.

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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 10:59:55 AM | message detail
You don't even have to look at Kirby's 2008 run. Just look at 2005 and 2006: 48% on Bowser and Luigi, 57% on Tidus. Go back to 2004 and we see 45% on Squall. The winner looks pretty obvious (though I guess the gap isn't big enough that a random site shift out of nowhere couldn't flip the result).
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:01:24 AM | message detail
Kirby is the strongest non-noble nine Nintendo character. The past couple of contests have proven this. Vivi is like two or three tiers below it.

Stop overrating Vivi.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:03:15 AM | message detail
And you can't even write off Kirby > Sonic as impossible. It happened. I have a great deal of confidence in Sonic winning the rematch, but you can't call a result that already happened impossible.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:05:16 AM | message detail
Exactly. Kirby is so far past Vivi and those minor FF characters that saying that match is "debatable" is just an outright lie.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:06:37 AM | message detail
Kirby is the strongest non-noble nine Nintendo character. The past couple of contests have proven this. Vivi is like two or three tiers below it.

lol Kirby would have lost to Kratos even if you remove Donkey Kong in 2007, then Kirby choked to Big Boss before he got bandwagon to barely defeat the weakest noble nine, who was out of his element, which then cause his bandwagon to explode to beat a SFF Sephiroth.

Also good thing I have Liquid in that match. 45% on Luigi makes him at least comparable to Kirby. Again Kirby is not breaking 55% in that match.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:08:35 AM | message detail
Looking at Vivi, is there a reason why he's the favourite over Liquid?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:10:09 AM | message detail
You have Liquid having a tough match with Vivi, and saying Liquid could beat Kirby.

Seriously, you need to look over your bracket again. If Liquid remains at his steroid levels from last year, then yes, Kirby will beat him with around 55%. But Vivi is not in that category. He only beat DK with about 56%.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:11:45 AM | message detail
lol Kirby would have lost to Kratos even if you remove Donkey Kong in 2007, then Kirby choked to Big Boss before he got bandwagon to barely defeat the weakest noble nine, who was out of his element, which then cause his bandwagon to explode to beat a SFF Sephiroth.

Did you just say that beating a Noble Niner and then Sephiroth is a bad thing? I wouldn't take Vivi or Liquid over Kratos or Big Boss with a Snake pic either, and beside, if you give Kirby all of DK's votes, he beats Kratos easily.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:12:02 AM | message detail
Not really I took Liquid over Vivi without much thought and barely took Kirby. Though after doing the BOP I thought I may have been underrating Vivi.

Do you know that Leon > Ryu > Dante is pretty popular too?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:13:14 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 12/28/2009 2:17:08 AM | #065
I don't even really care about trying to convince you guys anymore, why should I even do so if I'm trying to win the contest and I think I'm right?

The same reason I argue everything in this topic.

It's fun.


This might be the best post in the history of the stats topic.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/28/2009 11:14:26 AM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #086
Kirby vs. Vivi/Liquid is a toss up

No it isn't.

Got a question for you all. How many of you knew who Drake was the last contest he was in? I'm not saying "knew the name" know, I'm talking about if someone said the name randomly you can list off character traits about him.

The thing that some of you guys aren't getting is that Drake's popularity exploded after Uncharted 2 came out. Even if you didn't play the games, you can still see a random picture of him and say "oh yeah, that's that Drake guy from those PS3 games". He didn't have that in his first contest because no one in their right mind knew who he was except for the very limited group of people who had a PS3 and bought Uncharted.

He's going to get a big boost from last contest. If you keep using the old "he lost to CATS he has no chance of winning" BS, then please tell me that you have Peach beating Gordon because Gordon lost to Tina Armstrong.


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charmander6000 | Posted 12/28/2009 11:14:38 AM | message detail
Did you just say that beating a Noble Niner and then Sephiroth is a bad thing? I wouldn't take Vivi or Liquid over Kratos or Big Boss with a Snake pic either, and beside, if you give Kirby all of DK's votes, he beats Kratos easily.

No I said that Kirby being bandwagon was the reason why he defeated those characters. Also why would Kirby get all of Donkey Kong votes, that's just crazy. If you split things with L-Block and Kratos evenly Kirby would need over 70% on DK's votes.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/28/2009 11:16:47 AM | message detail
I'm almost positive Altair is going to beat Liquid. Dunno why, call it the contest equivalent of gutshot poker draw.

Sephiroth vs Snake is also going to be a blast. I know Snake hasn't beaten Sephy without Cloud's help, but there's a real chance for him there. The problem is it being a day match. The close wins were "jump out to a big lead, hold off Sephy's date vote". With this being a day match, there's no night vote to jump out to a big lead with. That said, Snake might not need one. Cloud and Vincent are the only things from FF7 with respectable day votes anymore.
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