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~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Poll Start Times*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Battle_8_Poll_Start_Times

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.

rofl ulti u bad mad? QQ
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I mean Sackboy's only match was before his game was out, the PS3 wasn't accepted yet and he was against a character whose upcoming game was the reason to own a PS3 at the time.
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Digimon was an awesome show.

Season 1 anyways.
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

PS3 ownership has increased, but I'm no sure how that translates for Sackboy... or PS3 games in general. It and MGS4 were pretty much the only exclusive PS3 games to make the contest, and well, we know how non-Nintendo platformers do.
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I don't know why Ulti keeps insisting that we try to play an unplayable game!

And lawl Jim Caldwell, way to turn your team and fanbase against you. Good thing Manning's there to keep them in line because the Colts sure won't be playing for the coach.

Also, the XBox hierarchy is ludicrous and it hurts my head every time I read a post using it seriously.
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- Red: Augh, people are STILL talking about this? At least the discussion has turned to his first round match, although now it's the OTHER side digging for an upset. Red is going to get destroyed by X, but he should have ZERO trouble with Ocelot. Ocelot is a jobber plain and simple. Red would have to be at like, Nidoran F levels for me to take that upset.

Ocelot is not Nidoran level.. rofl.

From: LeonhartFour | #007
I don't know why Ulti keeps insisting that we try to play an unplayable game!

And lawl Jim Caldwell, way to turn your team and fanbase against you. Good thing Manning's there to keep them in line because the Colts sure won't be playing for the coach.

Also, the XBox hierarchy is ludicrous and it hurts my head every time I read a post using it seriously.

I am curious as to why people think an Xbox hierarchy is "ludicrous" considering it exists for Nintendo and Sony. Are we just going to pretend SFF doesn't exist now?
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I am curious as to why people think an Xbox hierarchy is "ludicrous" considering it exists for Nintendo and Sony. Are we just going to pretend SFF doesn't exist now?

Its tough for people to grasp and understand things they don't understand or not part of. Leon understands Sony and Nintendo, so its easier for him to understand they have heiarchies, but original Xbox is foreign to him.
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Where does it exist for Sony? We've seen so many matches between Sony-exclusive characters with nary a hint of anything weird, so where is it? It exists for Nintendo, and it exists for Square. Anything else is inconclusive and speculative.
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I own an XBox, Albion.
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We went over this last topic. Square and MGS characters.
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From: DaruniaTheGoron | #013
We went over this last topic. Square and MGS characters.

Name the matches.

Go ahead.
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From: LeonhartFour | #012
I own an XBox, Albion.

prove it
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I think the issue with it is that usually, such a hierarchy is identical with the strength hierarchy. An SFF advantage will make a stronger character win by more than he would normally, and it may propel one of two otherwise evenly matched opponents over the other. But rSFF propelling a weaker character over a stronger one? That is very rare.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

DA FRANCHEZ

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But rSFF propelling a weaker character over a stronger one? That is very rare.

which is why ryu h > chief aint happening
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I am curious as to why people think an Xbox hierarchy is "ludicrous" considering it exists for Nintendo and Sony. Are we just going to pretend SFF doesn't exist now?

If I ask 10 people to rank Luigi, Yoshi, Bowser, Kirby, Ganondorf, and Zelda, I'm apt to get 10 different answers. If there is a hierarchy it's rather ill-defined.
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Zelda
Luigi
Kirby
Ganondorf
Bowser
Yoshi

Seems easy enough to me.

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Yet we haven't seen anything conclusively pointing to Hayabusa > Chief. The whole argument hinges on this "badass" SFF with Snake that would somehow not apply to Master Chief. That and the fact that ODST and the upcoming Reach have kept Chief somewhat more relevant this year than last year.
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But Ganondorf beat Luigi with a neutral picture, and Ganondorf got an awful lot closer to Vincent than Zelda did, and Bowser beat Kirby, and Yoshi beat Luigi, and Kirby beat Sonic, and...
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Zelda
Luigi
Kirby
Ganondorf
Bowser
Yoshi

I think people are taking Bacondorf matches a little too seriously. And I think Luigi/Kirby are probably above Zelda and Yoshi is definitely above Bowser.
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Why are we referencing things from 2005? Last two years is good enough.

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Fine then. Ganondorf beat Luigi straight up with a fair picture. Why's he two spots lower?

And what has Zelda done in the past two years?
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But the point is, I disagree with your hierarchy, and if I posted mine, people would disagree on mine.

Not to mention, the Nintendo hierarchy has changed. Back in the day, it used to be Bowser > Yoshi > Luigi. Now it looks like Luigi is on top.
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The whole argument hinges on this "badass" SFF with Snake that would somehow not apply to Master Chief.

If Ryu H is more popular it doesn't matter.
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From: MarioSuperstar | #027
The whole argument hinges on this "badass" SFF with Snake that would somehow not apply to Master Chief.

If Ryu H is more popular it doesn't matter.

But he's not.
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That Bowser/Yoshi/Luigi/Kirby group has always been the most incomprehensible SFF group to me, ever.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

We don't know that for sure.
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Fair picture, not a fair match. Mudkip definitely splits with Luigi more than Ganondorf.

Luigi is probably equal to Ganondorf, but I put Ganondorf lower because he folds to SFF much more easily. I put Zelda higher because she resists it very well hen people named Link aren't in the poll.

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Mudkip definitely splits with Luigi more than Ganondorf.

Why? It sounds good and I might even tend to agree with it, but where's the proof? There isn't any. Sure, if you want to argue that Luigi won next round without Mudkip, that's fine, but still, we know there were other extenuating circumstances at work.

but I put Ganondorf lower because he folds to SFF much more easily. I put Zelda higher because she resists it very well hen people named Link aren't in the poll.

Who did Ganondorf fold to not named Link again?
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Why would Mudkip overlap more with Luigi?
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

The point is that the "hierarchy" is extremely debatable. So if a mythical X-Box hierarchy exists, it certainly isn't set in stone. And Hayabusa was rather more impressive than Master Chief last year and it seems difficult to argue otherwise, though I'm sure Albion is up to the task.
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From: LeonhartFour | #014
Name the matches.

Go ahead.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2897&num=4

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2913&num=4

Biggest evidence:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2925&num=4

Gonna tell me Snake suddenly loses all relevance when Cloud enters the poll? The next year, when Snake was in Brawl, he went up to beating Cloud (with Seph/Crono in the poll).
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Where's the proof the match pic hurt Ganondorf more than Luigi? I thought Luigi looked ugly in the pic.

Note that I believe it did, but I'm just saying that if you can make one inference you can make another. I find it very easy to believe that voters for someone cutesy like Mudkip would overlap much more with Luigi than Ganondorf.

Who did Ganondorf fold to not named Link again?

Samus (and Luigi, I guess).

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Ganondorf did around expected on Samus I thought.
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Ganon didn't fold to Samus, he put up a very respectable 40% (no, don't argue that Zelda did better against Samus the next year- that was the Female Bracket finals, and there's plenty of reason to believe weird stuff happened). It looks bad next to his massive overperformance on Sephiroth, of course.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Not sure what your first match proves. Marcus Fenix probably beats Ocelot anyway, and there's nothing conclusive whatsoever about that poll.

Second match, Big Boss with his ugly, ugly sprite. That's not Sephiroth's fault because he still beats Fox very easily. Big Boss's round 2 match is the anomaly, not this one. Round 3 is more in line with round 1.

...And did you seriously bring up the 2007 finals? Why in the world doesn't Snake get killed there? L-Block got rallied, and Link and Cloud got rallied like crazy to try to beat the thing. Snake got left in the dust. Same thing happened to Crono the next year.

The next year, when Snake was in Brawl, he went up to beating Cloud

You do realize this disproves your point rather than proves it, right?
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Where's the proof the match pic hurt Ganondorf more than Luigi? I thought Luigi looked ugly in the pic.

Luigi looked ugly, but it's a classic, recognizable sprite.

And beating Luigi one round and barely losing to him the next round is hardly what I'd call "folding."
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From: RPGuy96 | #034
The point is that the "hierarchy" is extremely debatable. So if a mythical X-Box hierarchy exists, it certainly isn't set in stone. And Hayabusa was rather more impressive than Master Chief last year and it seems difficult to argue otherwise, though I'm sure Albion is up to the task.

Ryu H has never gotten as far as the Chief. He's never been higher in Xtstats. He IS the most popular Xbox character, this isn't debatable. If Ryu H wins it'll be because he's resisting this hierarchy and getting more support due to Sigma on the PS3 and the old NES games.
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Okay, first off, it's Samus. Since when has Samus ever SFFd anything? Second,

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3280
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3294

Folded like a house of cards.

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Chief is the face of the Xbox. I can guarantee 100% that nobody who is popular on Xbox systems is more popular then chief
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Ah, that Samus/Ganon match. Well yes, he did fold there. If that puts him lower on this Nintendo SFF hierarchy than some of those others though, that just makes it even more worthless, as he'd beat them all in a 1v1 match, whether or not they pull a little rSFF against them.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I'll admit my hierarchy uses a 4-way mindset. 1 v 1 I've got no clue. >_>

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Ryu H has never gotten as far as the Chief. He's never been higher in Xtstats.

Are we talking about 4 ways here?

Folded like a house of cards.

He actually still got around 39%. He just lost to Gordon Freeman which could probably be more GF than Ganondorf if you ask me.

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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #043
Chief is the face of the Xbox. I can guarantee 100% that nobody who is popular on Xbox systems is more popular then chief

Who is popular on XBox systems anyway?

And Nintendo SFF is so wonky and inconsistent. It just makes this whole "hierarchy" business seem pointless. Mario didn't crush Samus last year after crushing her in 2005. Go figure.
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Oh wait, I forgot the next link.

Maybe Vincent just drew more. I dunno.
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From: LeonhartFour | #039
Not sure what your first match proves. Marcus Fenix probably beats Ocelot anyway, and there's nothing conclusive whatsoever about that poll.

Second match, Big Boss with his ugly, ugly sprite. That's not Sephiroth's fault because he still beats Fox very easily. Big Boss's round 2 match is the anomaly, not this one. Round 3 is more in line with round 1.

...And did you seriously bring up the 2007 finals? Why in the world doesn't Snake get killed there? L-Block got rallied, and Link and Cloud got rallied like crazy to try to beat the thing. Snake got left in the dust. Same thing happened to Crono the next year.

The next year, when Snake was in Brawl, he went up to beating Cloud

You do realize this disproves your point rather than proves it, right?

How does it disprove it? it got more Nintendo fans to support Snake... that was the whole point of what I said.

And rallying is insignificant towards the grand scheme. It does NOT explain Snake getting 12%. Besides this, everybody who had any sense knew Link would have the best shot at taking L-block after winning every tournament except 2k3 (where he had a Wind Waker pic against Cloud) and getting a way more recent, popular game like TP. Cloud had no chance and I doubt many were rallying for him.
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From: MarioSuperstar | #046
Ryu H has never gotten as far as the Chief. He's never been higher in Xtstats.

Are we talking about 4 ways here?

Talking about any tournament.
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