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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 769

UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/26/2009 12:06:07 PM | message detail
On most forums there's like 5x or more people viewing than posting.
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LOLContests | Posted 12/26/2009 12:06:44 PM | message detail
If Liquid vs. Altair was a 24 hour match, I would be taking Liquid, but the fact that it's during the day makes me lean towards Altair. This is one of the few matches where I think the difference in time might make a difference.
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voltch | Posted 12/26/2009 12:08:31 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #301
On most forums there's like 5x or more people viewing than posting.


you mean we got like a huge amount of lurkers on the board right now as we speak?
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H__RR____H | Posted 12/26/2009 12:09:12 PM | message detail
But most of Auron's support comes from those who want an upset for the sake of an upset though.

I've been arguing Auron > Squall for at least a year, perhaps as long as 2006. I don't like hunting upsets just for the sake of upsets, though I get that some people do and that you may not be necessarily talking about me there.


Anyway, thanks for the update on the past few days. I've got Hayabusa > MC because I don't think the Xbox-fanbase here respects MC the same way the Xbox-fanbase respects him elsewhere. We've seen Halo as a one-seed lose to Starcraft in the first round, SW:KotOR fight all day with Halo, WoW (perhaps the only more openly-hated game than any Halo-game of this decade) beat Halo 2, Halo 3 isn't that respected as a FPS since we've seen it lose to CoD4 and Portal (and would probably lose to BioShock and HL2 as well nowadays), and ODST wasn't very well-received. I get NG's games have never performed well here, and that's fine -- we know Hayabusa is bigger than his games/series and he isn't the face of Microsoft's game division...

...MC is, and he's failed hard to represent the kind of strength that commonly comes with being a mascot, especially for two systems. People still hate on the series and character openly, too -- heck, Bub & Bob would have been forgotten about in GameSpot's first round if they weren't facing MC, and they end up nearly ruining the entire contest. MC's never shown much of a sign of boosting from Halo 2 or Halo 3 if he wasn't following their immediate aftermath, so I don't count on ODST being some difference-maker either.

It'll be a close match, but I think I would take Zero over MC...Hayabusa beat Zero last year, and I'm not giving MC any mascot-respect in this match-up since that's backfired on him more than helped him. Don't count on them sharing the Xbox/360 favoring MC enough for some worthwhile effect.


Also, I think Ocelot < Red < MMX is pretty simple, but if you think Red can impress (not that unreasonable, though I'm not taking it) and MMX isn't up to par with MM (probably arguable either way) then Red > MMX isn't the worst upset ever conceived. It's really hard for me to imagine Ocelot advancing over Red though; that takes some major disrespect to Red. RBY is arguably the #3 game here (it's my upset-guess, at least) and he's the lead, GS is probably a top-twenty game and he's the final boss, he led a TV show, and he was one of the most hyped characters in SSBB (even if it was for his Pokemon). People clearly have heard of him and almost certainly have some interest in the guy. To not be able to take advantage enough of that to beat Ocelot (or Pac-Man or Kefka) would be a humongous disappointment, and considering how Pokemon have almost always done nothing but impress since 2006 while Ocelot's almost always disapponted since then...well, that's a hell of a risk.

I agree people play Pokemon for the Pokemon, but I think people have a clear enough attachment and certainly enough recognition to beat the likes of Revolver.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/26/2009 12:14:05 PM | message detail

From: voltch | Posted: 12/26/2009 3:08:31 PM | #303
you mean we got like a huge amount of lurkers on the board right now as we speak?


Yep. Or go to any forum where you can see who's logged in and compare it to recent posts. There's always waaaaaaaaaay more people logged in and active but doing nothing than there are posters.
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voltch | Posted 12/26/2009 12:32:43 PM | message detail
with MM10 out soon, ya think the X series will get some kind of new game too?
they seem to be slowly but surely rebuilding the whole MegaMan franchise and down the line who knows what'll happen, but Zero's future doesn't look as bleak as it did a few years ago.
Though when I saw that Castlevania Lord of Shadows trailer, I'm thinking we could finally be seeing a major Castlevania success in 3D, now if that franchise could do it, then megaman, who knows?
I mean who expected Metroid to work well in first person, so if Metroidvania works in 3D, why not the same for the blue bomber?
He's been on a downward spiral for too long now.
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Agent M | Posted 12/26/2009 12:34:31 PM | message detail
Yep. Or go to any forum where you can see who's logged in and compare it to recent posts. There's always waaaaaaaaaay more people logged in and active but doing nothing than there are posters.

As a person who often reads forums and only makes occasional posts, I can confirm this statement.

Oh, and look at any forum that lists views AND posts.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/26/2009 1:37:04 PM | message detail
If you ignore that he isn't a board favourite anymore his trends aren't that different.

What? Yes, he is.
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voltch | Posted 12/26/2009 1:48:53 PM | message detail
Phoenix will last longer than magus as board favourite just because we don't expect him to be hitting 30% on link.
So no matter how weak he is, we'll still love him, otherwise, we'd have dropped him after the freeman match.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 2:02:45 PM | message detail
What? Yes, he is.

Relative to 2006 and 2007, no.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/26/2009 2:28:25 PM | message detail
Yeah, Magus was always loved until the Knuckles debacle. Nobody actually expects anything from Phoenix.

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3rdTimesDeCharm | Posted 12/26/2009 3:05:56 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/26/2009 3:09:38 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #310
What? Yes, he is.

Relative to 2006 and 2007, no.


I don't know what board you've been on, but Board 8 still loves Phoenix.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 3:41:50 PM | message detail
Not as much as it use to.
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voltch | Posted 12/26/2009 3:43:37 PM | message detail
just wait till ace attorney comes out.
A proper PW4 would create pandemonium on this board.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 12/26/2009 3:46:13 PM | message detail
lol who marked me for spoilers
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/26/2009 3:56:06 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #265
Lots of discussion on the debatable matches, mostly. The hot topic right now is whether Ryu H. over MC is a reasonable upset. Proponents for it argue (correctly) that Ryu H. defeated Zero in 2k8 and outscored Riku and Roxas combined in 2k7, while MC had showings that were nowhere near as impressive in 2k8 after he came down from GAME FUEL (the worst being being defeated by a LFF'd Dante), while proponents against argue that Ryu H. is likely to flop against badass (from a character design standpoint) and casual characters, like MC or Dante. Personally I'm in the latter group, though the former seems logical enough.


2008 wasn't even that bad for MC. Was it worse than 2007? Yes. But he still put an impressive performance, far more impressive than Ryu H if you ask me. All I hear is "MC's 2008 sucked!" Yes, relative to himself. Then take a look at Ryu H. Besides this, I find 4-way data really, really unreliable.

From: H__RR____H | #304
Anyway, thanks for the update on the past few days. I've got Hayabusa > MC because I don't think the Xbox-fanbase here respects MC the same way the Xbox-fanbase respects him elsewhere. We've seen Halo as a one-seed lose to Starcraft in the first round, SW:KotOR fight all day with Halo, WoW (perhaps the only more openly-hated game than any Halo-game of this decade) beat Halo 2, Halo 3 isn't that respected as a FPS since we've seen it lose to CoD4 and Portal (and would probably lose to BioShock and HL2 as well nowadays), and ODST wasn't very well-received. I get NG's games have never performed well here, and that's fine -- we know Hayabusa is bigger than his games/series and he isn't the face of Microsoft's game division...

...MC is, and he's failed hard to represent the kind of strength that commonly comes with being a mascot, especially for two systems. People still hate on the series and character openly, too -- heck, Bub & Bob would have been forgotten about in GameSpot's first round if they weren't facing MC, and they end up nearly ruining the entire contest. MC's never shown much of a sign of boosting from Halo 2 or Halo 3 if he wasn't following their immediate aftermath, so I don't count on ODST being some difference-maker either.

It'll be a close match, but I think I would take Zero over MC...Hayabusa beat Zero last year, and I'm not giving MC any mascot-respect in this match-up since that's backfired on him more than helped him. Don't count on them sharing the Xbox/360 favoring MC enough for some worthwhile effect.


People who solely like FPS's and action games =/= KOTOR fans. I have no idea why you guys are still comparing the two. Besides that.. Halo beat KOTOR. Anyway, Ninja Gaiden is similar to Halo in that they both have a lot of action and feature cool, badass looking characters. They're certainly more comparable to each other than KOTOR is to Halo.

Also, wtf. Of course Halo 3 would lose to Portal and COD4 and HL2. Those games are all much more respected on gaming communities like GameFAQs. That's why the Cube did alright last year. This isn't a sign of upcoming weakness in the Chief if you ask me, I would have called all of those losses.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 12/26/2009 3:59:06 PM | message detail
comparing halo games to the chief is kinda whack, also. how many action game stars do we see that comparing them to their games is a good idea? Kratos, Dante, Gordon, all of them are weaker then their respective games. Just cuz Halo lost to Starcraft doesn't mean that Chief isn't still a solid character here. Even last year, in his "Disappointment" year, he nearly beat the pink puffball who went onto beat Sonic and Sephiroth.
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 12/26/2009 4:00:49 PM | message detail
And if you want to go to the comparing games route, then lets compare how halo did last game contest to ninja gaiden

though i dont think that would go in your favor
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 4:01:16 PM | message detail
2008 wasn't even that bad for MC. Was it worse than 2007? Yes. But he still put an impressive performance, far more impressive than Ryu H if you ask me. All I hear is "MC's 2008 sucked!" Yes, relative to himself. Then take a look at Ryu H. Besides this, I find 4-way data really, really unreliable.

If you wanted to you could argue that Hayabusa performed as good in 2008 compare to Master Chief. Assuming Zero = Hayabusa Zero was able to get 33% on Solid Snake in round 2 while Dante got 30.5% on Sephiroth who was able to defeat Master Chief. If you think Snake could approach 45% on Sephiroth Hayabusa defeats Chief.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/26/2009 5:57:18 PM | message detail
2008 wasn't even that bad for MC.

He would've lost to old man Big Boss in round 2 if not for Raiden. He couldn't even get 60% on Kain Highwind, and he got 56.20% on Raiden, who nearly lost to Sam Fisher the year before that. MC's round 1 performance was just bad. Nobody's surprised that he lost to Kirby or Dante, really, but round 1 was bad.

And for kicks, Zero got 65% on Raiden in 2007, but that and nearly losing to Sam Fisher were pre-MGS4, so I'll cut him some slack.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/26/2009 6:42:38 PM | message detail
Okay, I also forgot that Ocelot lost to PAC-MAN. If you can't handle Pac-Man, how are you going to handle the main character of the site's #5 game?

I think that eightpack ends with Link > Mega Man X, as I still can't see X losing to Red. I picked the bottom half of the division to end in Luigi > Cube, with Link > Luigi as the finals.

In the next division...seems like some sillyhead set up Sonic vs. Knuckles! That's probably to see how low the vote totals are going to end with since Sonic characters are all weak and when SFFing each other...after that I think Ganondorf will toast Mewtwo. It looks like Ken Masters has returned! And I think that he'll finally get over the hump and win a match, because...he's facing a character who's lost to LARA CROFT. And which dufus set up Vivi vs. DK again?

Then we have the Mushroom division...let's bet for Mario to score 85% on Falco! Any less, and we know that he's DOOMED! Also who wins Mega Man/Zack Fair? That will basically decide who faces Mario in the divisional finals.

Then we have the Heart Division...and I'm voting against Sora whatever I can do! Oh wait, he's against MIDNA in the first round...yeah, I think I'll vote for him then (Midna is ANNOYING!). And it seems like somebody is allowing Laharl out of the first round for once! And how well does Bowser do against Frog? BTW I actually have Charizard in the divisional finals (still losing to Sora), upsetting Kratos in round 2 and L-Block in round 3.

Then we have the Varia Division...okay, Ezio is his FIRST name, and here I've been thinking it's his last. Oh well, I still think he's going to bow out against Zelda in round 2. I'm taking Jill > Niko because Niko is unreliable, and...shouldn't Tidus vs. Sub-Zero be a debatable match? And which kid is allowing RATCHET out of round 1? Gee, Phoenix has a free pass to round 3; who would've thought? Bah. I have Samus > Zelda as the divisional finals.

In the Midgar Division the biggest thing is the Capcom triangle of Ryu, Dante, and Leon. I have Ryue coming out on top. Also I'll bet that Cloud breaks 85% on Ridley.

In the Gear Division, it seems like Lloyd/Fox is a debatable match, and so is Revan/Terra. I have Fox and Terra causing seeding upsets in round 1 before bowing out in round 2.

The Jenova Division seems to be locked for the most part. BUT WHICH STUPID KID ALLOWED GUYBRUSH TO GET A 9 SEED?????!!!!!
GoldSlime35 | Posted 12/26/2009 7:14:46 PM | message detail
I usually don't post on this board except for Oracle predictions but I figured I'd throw something out for discussion. There was talk about tiering the characters in an earlier stats topic, so I created a rough tier list.

Tier 1: Noble 9
Don't really need an explanation here. Mega Man X is in this too because he doesn't fit anywhere else.
Members: Noble 9 + MMX

Tier 2: Top Tier Square
Sora and the Top FF characters go here. In general they are stronger than the Nintendo group.
Members: Squall, Auron, Sora, Tifa, VIncent, Aeris

Tier 3: Top Tier Nintendo
The top Nintendo characters.
Members: Zelda, Ganondorf, Bowser, Luigi, Yoshi, Kirby

Tier 4: Top Tier Non-Nintendo/Square
The best of the rest.
Members: Dante, Ryu, Leon

Tier 5: Mid-Tier Nintendo/Square/Sonic + Joke characters.
I think this is about where the joke characters will fit in for 1 vs 1 matches.
Members: Knuckles, Shadow, Riku, Frog, Magus, L-Block, WCC, every Final Fantasy and Smash Bros. character that didn't bomb

Tier 6: Mid Tier Non-Nintendo/Square
The rest of the decent characters who can't really beat anybody from Nintendo/Square
Members: Alucard, Liquid Snake, Duke Nukem, Gordon Freeman, Pac-Man, Scorpion, Altair, Jill, etc.

Tier 7: Low Tier
Weak. but known enough to beat fodder.
Members: Kefka, Phoenix Wright, Lara Croft, Tails, Lucario, Lloyd Irving, any random Pokemon, the really weak FF/Smash characters

Tier 8: Fodder
The super weak.

This works in general, but some matches (Ganondorf > Auron) go against it. The top characters in one tier can beat the bottom characters from the tier above it.

Kirby and Pikachu have really weird results. Kirby is probably tier 3, but has lost to Jill, Alucard and then last year to Big Boss. Pikachu does well in 4 ways, but in 1 vs 1 he has only beaten fodder and he got doubled by Fox in 2003. I'd probably put him in tier 5.

Trying to tier characters like this can help on the difficult matches. For example, Ocelot is tier 6, and Pokemon Trainer Red probably will fit in tier 5.

What do people think of this? There are a lot of characters who I'm not sure where they fit in. Tiers 12378 are pretty set, but I think there is a lot to discuss about 456, because its figuring out who is and isn't stronger than the midrange Nintendo/Square characters. As for strength within the tiers, that is up for debate as well, but thats a lot harder to distinguish.

Since these are the most debated matches, where would you tier the following characters:
Master Chief
Ryu H.
Kratos
Charizard
Sub-Zero
XxSoulxX | Posted 12/26/2009 7:21:44 PM | message detail
Put tier 2 and 3 together, because a lot of those Nintendo guys can hang with or outright beat those Square guys.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/26/2009 7:23:36 PM | message detail
Master Chief
Ryu H.
Kratos
Charizard
Sub-Zero


I'd throw all those characters and others (Gordon Freeman, Pikachu, Fox) in tier 4.
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Xeybozn | Posted 12/26/2009 7:30:29 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #321
2008 wasn't even that bad for MC.

He would've lost to old man Big Boss in round 2 if not for Raiden. He couldn't even get 60% on Kain Highwind, and he got 56.20% on Raiden, who nearly lost to Sam Fisher the year before that. MC's round 1 performance was just bad. Nobody's surprised that he lost to Kirby or Dante, really, but round 1 was bad.


Chief has never really destroyed weaker characters, though. Other than in his Round 1 match, Chief looked OK last year, although nowhere near his '07 strength. Sure, he would have lost to Big Boss if Raiden weren't in the match, but considering Big Boss easily beat Kirby, I don't see how that makes Chief look terrible.
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GoldSlime35 | Posted 12/26/2009 7:31:05 PM | message detail
Yeah I realized afterwards I should have combined 2 and 3.
charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:00:28 PM | message detail
Seems that the DS went slightly up, but a lot of people went from maybe to no.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:06:02 PM | message detail
Gotta love the anti-PSP board vote. No was over 60% for a while.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/26/2009 9:07:35 PM | message detail
aww yea psp

i can finally vote yes for it!
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:07:50 PM | message detail
Tier 4: Top Tier Non-Nintendo/Square
The best of the rest.
Members: Dante, Ryu, Leon


you may as well call that Top Tier Capcom
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/26/2009 9:12:15 PM | message detail
last year had PSP at 56% not having it. Seems to be improved a good bit if the board vote is any indication. Should end up over 50% having one
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/26/2009 9:13:57 PM | message detail
Chief has never really destroyed weaker characters, though. Other than in his Round 1 match, Chief looked OK last year, although nowhere near his '07 strength. Sure, he would have lost to Big Boss if Raiden weren't in the match, but considering Big Boss easily beat Kirby, I don't see how that makes Chief look terrible.

He looked bad in round 1 and average the other two matches. I'm not seeing how he had a better year than Hayabusa.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:22:05 PM | message detail
Well Zero is roughly equal to Kirby and Hayabusa won his match while Chief lost.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/26/2009 9:23:04 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #333
Chief has never really destroyed weaker characters, though. Other than in his Round 1 match, Chief looked OK last year, although nowhere near his '07 strength. Sure, he would have lost to Big Boss if Raiden weren't in the match, but considering Big Boss easily beat Kirby, I don't see how that makes Chief look terrible.

He looked bad in round 1 and average the other two matches. I'm not seeing how he had a better year than Hayabusa.


almost beating kirby is better then anything hayabusa did
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:23:28 PM | message detail
Everytime we discuss MC/Ryu it seems that Hayabusa should be the favourite.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/26/2009 9:24:32 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #336
Everytime we discuss MC/Ryu it seems that Hayabusa should be the favourite.


this is really one of the most confusing upsets people discuss. i just cant wait till the match when Chief doubles him (high on Xbox SFF chain) to put it to rest
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KnuxBeatMagus | Posted 12/26/2009 9:25:20 PM | message detail
almost beating kirby is better then anything hayabusa did

Actually beating someone > Almost beating someone

I'll take outright beating Zero over almost beating Kirby in one round before getting clobbered by him the next round.

Totally forgot this account still existed!
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KnuxBeatMagus | Posted 12/26/2009 9:25:50 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #337
this is really one of the most confusing upsets people discuss. i just cant wait till the match when Chief doubles him (high on Xbox SFF chain) to put it to rest


"I say many things."

Let's leave it at that.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/26/2009 9:26:02 PM | message detail
Chief/Ryu just screams a match where the gurus and B8 regulars take Ryu and the casuals wipe the floor with them by taking Chief.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:26:27 PM | message detail
The Xbox is the only thing Chief has going for him right now and even then it may not even work. The PS2 heirarchy doesn't seem to affect much.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:26:37 PM | message detail
Master Chief couldn't break 70% on CATS, he's not doubling Hayabusa.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/26/2009 9:27:07 PM | message detail

From: MegatokyoEd | #340
Chief/Ryu just screams a match where the gurus and B8 regulars take Ryu and the casuals wipe the floor with them by taking Chief.


we're talking about a guy who got killed against vivi actually standing a chance against chief, who went almost even with dante

i mean, really?
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NominateSerge | Posted 12/26/2009 9:27:26 PM | message detail

From: MegatokyoEd | #340
Chief/Ryu just screams a match where the gurus and B8 regulars take Ryu and the casuals wipe the floor with them by taking Chief.


Or the other way around, like Sub-Zero/MC!

Hey, that match featured a ninja beating the ever-overrated Chief, too!

Whoo, another great account find!
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NominateSerge | Posted 12/26/2009 9:28:02 PM | message detail
we're talking about a guy who got killed against vivi actually standing a chance against chief, who went almost even with dante

Is this Albion taking yet another match out of context?

I BELIEVE IT IS! SHOCKING
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:28:04 PM | message detail
Almost even with a Dante who got wrecked in a similar situation by Pikachu is your argument for a bastion of strength? Really?
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:28:30 PM | message detail
we're talking about a guy who got killed against vivi actually standing a chance against chief, who went almost even with dante

So you think it's a coincidence that Hayabusa choked twice when Solid Snake was in the poll?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/26/2009 9:28:48 PM | message detail
plus people seem to forget how easily ryu h gets SFF'd. put him in a match with any badass looking character and he loses his support

and chief is a badass looking character

people are really just digging deep for upsets this year
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/26/2009 9:30:29 PM | message detail
Chief doesn't look badass, since when does a helmet look badass?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/26/2009 9:30:58 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #349
Chief doesn't look badass, since when does a helmet look badass?


...you're kidding, right?

He's always on the lists of most badass characters in gaming
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