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From: Team Rocket Elite | #140
That wouldn't explain Sonic's loss to Kirby. Kirby was the only Nintendo character in the match he beat Sonic in. It's possible that Sonic's Smash support abandons him when Sonic faces Kirby, but this will still be a problem when Sonic faces Kirby again.

Bandwagoning explains it, unless we want to start calling Big Boss a threat to the Noble Nine and turn Mario/Big Boss into a discussable match.

...I'm up for it if you are!
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Trying to explain Kirby > Sonic makes about as much sense as trying to explain L-Block. Also I can't believe Alucard beat Kirby once.
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It's really not that difficult to explain. It's a pretty obvious case of bandwagoning and nothing more. Kirby never looked like a Noble Nine beater in any of his matches prior to beating Sonic, and then he led Cloud for a full hour the next round (Most underrated moment of the 2008 contest, by the way). Nobody should take Kirby/Sonic seriously, and this is coming from someone who'd love for nothing more than for Kirby to beat Sonic.
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I thought you were a huge Sonic fan.

And "aw yeah" sig bros, we brofist k?

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"Spoil [FFX] for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if [Jecht's] going to be another Auron or another Sin." -Soul on PW vs Jecht

I'm a huge Knuckles fan, and I love 2-D Sonic games. Sonic himself I like a lot, but he's nowhere near my top ten, while Kirby is in my top ten.
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Going by the match analysis in the last character battle, Sonic scores 35% on Sephiroth. Isn't that...outright pathetic? That's lower than Bowser and Ganondorf in the spring of '05, after all!

And yeah, it's funny to think that Final Fantasy X is now older than Chrono Trigger was in the first contest. Too funny...

oh, cool this topic ain't about RedFaqs no more, anyway we analyzing team sonic now?

On Kirby's bandwagon, wouldn't one say it the cute aestethic design of a kirby makes him more prone to receiving votes from joke voters?
on gamespot it seemed more like a legit rally for freeman, but here on gamefaqs, the jokes in their design aren't exactly serious looking to begin with, I mean who'd joke vote for someone cool looking like dante or kratos?
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...from what I've seen, the CoD4 buzz has began to recede, recede, and recede on a good number of gaming sites.

well duh, MW2 is out.
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Predicting huge Knuckles upset on Sonic, showing badass > main exists besides Auron/Tidus and Balthier/Vaan and exposing Magus as an even bigger punk-ass ***** than he was when he lost to a bag of sand.

Knuckles would be pissing all over Magus' grave.
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Well, Destructoid's list had CoD4 instead of MW2, but then again I have to think that '09 games were disincluded for some reason. I'm not sure though.

On a side note, that list had four Gamecube games in the top 20, and SSBM was 46th. It's just too funny to think about.

I'm not so sure Kirby really had a bandwagon when he beat Sonic last year.
I mean, sure, it's a very convenient explanation, and Kirby>Sonic surely calls for some kind of explanation, but just what did Kirby do that warrants a bandwagon?

I'm not 100% sure, but wasn't he expected by most people to get to that match anyway. I know I had him in that match. Hardly anyone had L-Block going to round 3 in 2007, and L-Block in round 3 was unexpected and exciting. I guess at least half this board had Kirby getting to his match with Sonic

What I'm getting at is, that Kirby really didn't do anything particularly impressive before facing Sonic. Shouldn't a bandwagon normally start slowly and gain steam as time passes? Kirby went from "standard" to "crazy" from one match to the next.

Of course, the only other explanation is that Sonic had the fastest decline ever.
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Kirby went from 53.5% to 59.5% on Dante.

I'd still like to see the arguments for Kirby > Ganondorf.
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Also defeating Master Chief, Dante, Leon, Big Boss and Raiden was pretty big. They're not lightweights by any standard.
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raiden is
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but just what did Kirby do that warrants a bandwagon?

He beat a bunch of characters that are perceived to be popular, such as Master Chief, Dante, and Leon Kennedy. You don't actually have to beat a strong character to get a bandwagon. You just have to go further than most people expect you to, which Kirby did. I mean, let's look at his contest run:

--43.34% on Big Boss in round 1
--50.94% on Master Chief and 54.60% on LFF'd Big Boss in round 2
--53.39% on Dante and 55.40% on Master Chief in round 3

Are these looking like Noble Nine breaker numbers to you?

--57.74% on Dante, 51.80% on Sonic, and 37.50% on Sephiroth in round 4
--42.44% on bandwagoned Solid Snake and 42.63% on LFF'd Cloud in round 5
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Also, only ~23% of brackets had him winning the match with Dante and Chief. Compared to Dante's 38% and Master Chief's presumably even higher than Dante's(he was clearly the favorite for 1st place there, 80% had him getting to that round as opposed to Kirby's 55%. Then note that 30% of the Dante pickers had him 2nd place with only 8% having him at first. That was most probably because Chief was the majority pick for 1st place )
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Halo and GTA always get overestimated by the bracket makers.

I'd also argue that Zack had a bit of a bandwagon, but that's mostly because I don't think Wario is that strong.
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Zack might have had a bandwagon, but I find it hard to take much from any of his matches.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
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Does Zack really have a big bandwagon? He could legitimately be worth about 30% on Link. Couple that with his look and the game he hails from, and it's easy to see why he's such a big favorite against Yuna. He hits a wall at Round 2, though, and I think the few people who actually have beating MM are out to lunch. Not much room for a legit bandwagon there, although I'll be rooting for him (or Yuna) in R2.

As for Sonic, yeah, he's still the clear favorite in his group. Considering how much weaker Chief got last year, Kirby only started impressing in the late rounds, a clear indication of 4way momentum. I'm giving more thought to Rikku>Kirby in a nighttime shocker than I am toward Kirby>Sonic.
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I'm giving more thought to Rikku>Kirby in a nighttime shocker than I am toward Kirby>Sonic.

I think they're both about equally unlikely to occur. Rikku would need to be a good bit stronger than Tidus to beat Kirby, which I don't see happening. She may be stronger, but not notably stronger.
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
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IMO Zack is a neo Magus waiting to happen, I just hope it won't be this year.
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Well, Zack is more likely to lose to Yuna than he is to beat Mega Man, methinks. I don't think Zack/Yuna is a gimme.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
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I'm just having trouble seeing Wario being that much stronger than Nintendo characters like Marth, Mewtwo and Meta Knight
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I dunno but Yuna feels weaker since the female bracket.
Her perfopmances against MC don't inspire much confidence.
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You mean Master Fuel?
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Oh, you mean like Falco?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3254

Remember how we thought this was such a solid performance on Vincent in round 1 and suddenly Falco became a darkhorse in round 2?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3281

Whoops.

In my opinion, in a match where there are two very weak options or at least one ridiculously weak option (Cecil and Jade, GlaDOS and Wander), there's a possibility that a normally weaker character can overperform simply due to the lack of other viable options.
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Oh, and those aren't the only two characters I can think of. Nightmare in both years applies, I think.

Round 1: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2889
Round 2: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2908

Round 1: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3252
Round 2: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3280

So yeah, maybe we should call it "The Nightmare Factor."
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Oh, one more: Nero.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3261
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3284
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

And while we're at it, why not just add Ryu Hayabusa to the list?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3262
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285

I don't believe Snake's the whole reason for his epic bombings. Snake just so happened to be in his R2 matches.
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Ehh, I'm not as big of a proponent in Hayabusa, though I guess you could make an argument. It only seems to apply to second place characters facing a first place character who is notably stronger with two other weak (usually one very weak) characters. Hayabusa owned Riku/Roxas and beat Zero. That feels legit to me.
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"I can set you free, mate."
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By the way, does anyone plan on updating the contest history pages for characters on the Board 8 Wiki? I don't mind doing it if no one else is planning on it (though I'd need someone else to make pages for the characters who were new in 2008). I figure we ought to get that out of the way before the new contest starts!
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If Hayabusa being at Zero's level is legit, more people should be taking him against Chief. Let's move it, people!
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #182
If Hayabusa being at Zero's level is legit, more people should be taking him against Chief. Let's move it, people!

Hey, I jumped on that bad boy the moment I saw the match!
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I'm right there with you. Chief, it is your destiny.
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Oh, apparently the characters who were new in 2007 don't have contest history pages either!
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

odst backlash vs sigma 2.... go weaker ryu!
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Posted 12/24/2009 1:30:36 PM
message detail If Hayabusa being at Zero's level is legit, more people should be taking him against Chief. Let's move it, people!

I'm strongly considering it, but by the time that match comes a long, the Reach multiplayer beta might be out. Not to mention the whole day match thing.
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In my opinion, in a match where there are two very weak options or at least one ridiculously weak option (Cecil and Jade, GlaDOS and Wander), there's a possibility that a normally weaker character can overperform simply due to the lack of other viable options.

Oh you mean like Zack before he got bandwagoned?

While those characters did perform a lot worse in the second round they were still crushed in the first round while Wario was still able to get 42.5%. Also it doesn't apply to everyone (Amaterasu, Vivi).
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #182
If Hayabusa being at Zero's level is legit, more people should be taking him against Chief. Let's move it, people!

its a day match. Chief is close to elite level during the day. Ryu is gonna be lucky to get 40%
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You're saying it like Hayabusa is weak during the day.

Only reason I'm going with the Chief is Xbox seniority.
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From: charmander6000 | #190
You're saying it like Hayabusa is weak during the day.

Only reason I'm going with the Chief is Xbox seniority.

he's better at day, but he's hardly a day beast. Chief is one of those characters who can turn 10% from his night to day performance.
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Not against a character that's good with the day.
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From: charmander6000 | #192
Not against a character that's good with the day.

Looking at previous Ryu matches, he seems pretty static past the first hour, never really going up or down. So going against an average day character who is in the same ballfield as the Chief, I'd take Chief every time.
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Oh you mean like Zack before he got bandwagoned?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. A bandwagon for Zack is wholly inconclusive. Round 2 was double LFF, round 3 was Link + 3 characters whose strengths we're unsure of. Round 4 was even more LFF, of which Zack was the beneficiary because he was non-Nintendo. I don't know how you can really draw anything out of Zack's 2008 path. He could be a decently high midcarder or just a plain midcarder. If he's the first, he beats Yuna and puts up a decent number on Mega Man. If it's the latter, he probably still beats Yuna, but it's a toss-up. I don't think a lot changes with Zack, but I'd sooner believe Wario overperformed on Zack in round 1 rather than Zack overperforming the rest of the way.

While those characters did perform a lot worse in the second round they were still crushed in the first round while Wario was still able to get 42.5%.

Well, they were facing Noble Niners and Vincent in those examples. Zack's obviously not at that level, so Wario does better.

Also it doesn't apply to everyone (Amaterasu, Vivi).

Vivi's pretty strong in his own right, arguably as strong as Zack, so I doubt he'd be bothered by it. Plus, he wasn't facing characters who were definitely stronger than he was. Amaterasu, I dunno. In 2007, she lucked out in round 2 because she didn't face strong characters. She did pretty bad in round 3 once you introduced Pikachu and Leon though. In 2008, it's hard to say. She still finished notably behind everyone else in round 2 and went from 35% to 33% on Crono, which isn't a huge drop.
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From the looks of it we seem to agree roughly where Zack is so that's not the problem...

Wait, am I the only one that thinks Yuna > Tidus?
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I'm starting to get second doubts with Nathan Drake against The Boss, i mean all the new MGS material should be boosting either Big Boss or Raiden, but the Boss hasn't got much to work with, while Drake as a character no matter how generic, seems to have gotten a really big push.
I honestly think that had he not lost against CATS I'd be choosing him right now,going in to the Goty season Uncharted 2 is dominating in a lot of places, though surprisingly not so much on gamefaqs if that early poll was an indication.
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Chief and his games are like Kefka in that he's always up against people he should be beating easily but bombs spectacularly. I'm surprised more people aren't taking the Hayabusa upset, day match be damned. This is Master Chief we're talking about.
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If Uncharted 2 was Nathan's first game or had we not seen him last year I'm positive that Nathan would be the favourite going in.
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I had Hayabusa>Chief before I realized it was a day match.

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Hayabusa > Chief is some pretty hilarious stat topic overthink if I ever saw it. Chief is higher on the Xbox food chain. Very simple stuff. Spy has a way better chance of the hilarious upset.
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