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Xeybozn | Posted 12/23/2009 9:14:49 PM | message detail

There needs to be more Jill/Niko discussion

Now that I think about it, Ocelot faced Kefka in 2007 and didn't do much better than Niko did in 2008. Let's see...

Ocelot - 53.22%
Niko - 51.29%

So Ocelot is projected to beat Niko with 51.81% of the vote. Using Jill's performances against Ocelot the last two years, 2007 Jill loses to Niko with 48.60%, while 2008 Jill beats Niko with 53.20%. Once you add in a possible RE5 boost for Jill, she should be definitely be considered the favorite, but it should be a fairly close match and it's certainly possible for Jill to lose. The only question left is whether the voting trends for a day match would favor one of the two (it's also a weekend match, if that matters).

Ness was SFF last year in round 1 and has no true value so don't panic.
Geno was also SFFed last year, wasn't he?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/23/2009 9:16:39 PM | message detail

I'd expect Niko to not be as strong as last year. GTA4 is a lot less relevant now ten it was in late 2008.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 12/23/2009 9:18:56 PM | message detail

More like Niko is less relevant. GTA4 just got Ballad of Gay Tony. I dunno if Niko is in that at all, though.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 9:21:28 PM | message detail

I'd expect Niko to not be as strong as last year. GTA4 is a lot less relevant now ten it was in late 2008.

Maybe not, the game lost all revalence a month after release. Also Jill was riding on RE5 hype.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 9:34:35 PM | message detail

Geno was also SFFed last year, wasn't he?

Well, he did face Bowser, but Geno has never been much of anything anyway.
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WalrusJump | Posted 12/23/2009 9:35:50 PM | message detail

question

is Falcon > Riku as mindbogglingly stupid as it seems? If not i want to go that way
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 9:38:40 PM | message detail

Riku didn't look that great last year, and Falcon did better than most expected. char's stats have Falcon over Riku, but mine have Riku over Falcon, for whatever it's worth, which isn't much because the Captain's path was LFF-laden and involved Pikachu.

I just have a hard time seeing Falcon win that one, for whatever the reason.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 12/23/2009 9:38:56 PM | message detail

The Captain got on the rat what Riku got on Dante, more or less. We've seen the rat beat Dante and there was probably rat/Captain SFF, so it's not as crazy as it sounds.
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WalrusJump | Posted 12/23/2009 9:42:14 PM | message detail

CF it is

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/23/2009 9:45:06 PM | message detail

I think Jill is pretty safe against Niko. We've seen what happens to those GTA characters as their games age (well, we've seen it with Vercetti and CJ started out pretty terrible). Jill might be a few clear notches below her 02-03 peak, but she should still have the pop for this one, plus her HYPER ANTICIPATED RE5 downloadable content gets released in February.
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WalrusJump | Posted 12/23/2009 9:45:46 PM | message detail

also Bowser > Sora

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 9:46:16 PM | message detail

Jill won't blow Niko out (I don't think she'll break 60% in all likelihood), but I don't expect her to be in danger of losing.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/23/2009 9:46:47 PM | message detail

Jill should win between 52-54% I think. Close enough that its not one sided, but not close enough to ever really be in danger of losing
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/23/2009 9:48:12 PM | message detail

It'll be a sad day on this site if Jill can't even hit 55% on Niko Bellic.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/23/2009 9:49:44 PM | message detail

Jill's going to lose by 27 votes.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 9:50:26 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #114
It'll be a sad day on this site if Jill can't even hit 55% on Niko Bellic.

Get ready to weep, yo!

Well, she could break 55%, but I don't really expect more than 57% from her. She's not strong enough and he's not weak enough for that.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 9:50:50 PM | message detail

I'm just surprised of the lack of faith in Niko, I mean only one person has him in the BOP.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 9:51:41 PM | message detail

After GTA/Warcraft, this board basically resolved never to trust GTA again.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 9:53:33 PM | message detail

After GTA/Warcraft, this board basically resolved never to trust GTA again.

I blame Jill beating Ocelot last year. The board tends to support things that they underestimated in the past.

I couldn't have been the only person that took pause when I saw that match.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/23/2009 9:54:57 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #118
After GTA/Warcraft, this board basically resolved never to trust GTA again.

And barring Vice City earlier this year, that would have paid off in every single situation.

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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/23/2009 9:55:34 PM | message detail

The thing with Niko is that.. well, I think he has a shot at Jill, and the xstats support it, but GTA4 will be almost 2 years old when the match comes up. Would you expect Vercetti to beat DK right now? And I'd expect CJ to get beaten into the ground by Ness by over 60%. I was one of the few who picked Ness over CJ, precisely because people don't have that much of a connection to them and because they just forget about them after a year or so. Vercetti was the most likeable character IMO and that's why he performed "decently". Niko is more likeable than CJ but not by a whole lot.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/23/2009 9:56:18 PM | message detail

It's also the fact that Niko was pretty damn weak in his match last year. Jill took in a clearly higher percentage against clearly stronger competition.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 9:57:40 PM | message detail

And barring Vice City earlier this year, that would have paid off in every single situation.

The only GTA that failed by expectations was San Andreas.

Heck even GTAIV was able to defeat SMG, that's more than what most thought even after SMG's flop.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/23/2009 9:58:18 PM | message detail

I think the day match will help Niko a bit... GTA related stuff is typically pretty static during day, while RE falls. Not enough to turn a 5 or 6% win though
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Big Bob | Posted 12/23/2009 9:58:26 PM | message detail

I took Jill in that match and never looked back. RE's still decently popular. GTA, not so much.

charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 9:59:15 PM | message detail

It's also the fact that Niko was pretty damn weak in his match last year. Jill took in a clearly higher percentage against clearly stronger competition.

While Kratos would destroy Marth/Duke/Niko/Kefka those four would also destroy Heavy.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 10:00:28 PM | message detail

Not to mention, Ocelot and Kefka have proven to be on relatively the same level in the past, with Ocelot being a little better.

Quick: Marth vs. Jill
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/23/2009 10:01:48 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #127
Not to mention, Ocelot and Kefka have proven to be on relatively the same level in the past, with Ocelot being a little better.

Quick: Marth vs. Jill

thats one of those matches that could change depending on night or day... but if its 24 hour, then I'd take Jill to lose by 27 votes.
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WalrusJump | Posted 12/23/2009 10:08:57 PM | message detail

so uhh

Bowser > Sora is happening

don't deny it
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/23/2009 10:09:43 PM | message detail

The issue with 2008 stats is how you decide to adjust Sephiroth.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 10:10:06 PM | message detail

Bowser's Inside Story boost, alright.

Fawful > GlaDOS too.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/23/2009 10:10:50 PM | message detail

I wish I could take Fawful > GlaDOS. In my heart I want it to be so... but it seems so unlikely.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/23/2009 10:11:31 PM | message detail

Bowser is the only possible way a 1 seed can lose before the final 8.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 10:12:33 PM | message detail

Bowser is the only possible way a 1 seed can lose before the final 8.

Ganondorf > Sonic is possible and about as likely.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/23/2009 10:15:18 PM | message detail

I don't know how Jill/Marth would go, but I trust Jill to do better in that four-pack than Niko did. I also trust Ocelot to do better. I honestly think Kefka just fails now.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/23/2009 10:24:07 PM | message detail

Sonic is *not* losing to Ganon or Kirby.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/23/2009 10:25:32 PM | message detail

Wait, Crono is outseeded in his own division by two FPS guys? WTF?

Yeah, I just noticed that.

OFF TOPIC: I just finished the 4th dark world dungeon in A Link to the Past without even setting foot in the forest that houses dungeon #3. Who else has done so (I'm probably going to guess...SEVERAL OF YOU)?

Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/23/2009 10:29:10 PM | message detail

Kirby already beat Sonic last year in a reasonably fair fight. Kirby should be consider a threat to Sonic until either Kirby screws up or Sonic shows that he was being held back by the 4 way format.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/23/2009 10:31:39 PM | message detail

I'm convinced Sonic overlaps with Nintendo too much to do well in 4ways. All those 4way tankjobs were shared polls with Nintendo characters.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/23/2009 10:36:06 PM | message detail

That wouldn't explain Sonic's loss to Kirby. Kirby was the only Nintendo character in the match he beat Sonic in. It's possible that Sonic's Smash support abandons him when Sonic faces Kirby, but this will still be a problem when Sonic faces Kirby again.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 12/23/2009 10:42:23 PM | message detail

Kirby had a bandwagon in that contest and it had already started in that Sonic match. It's logical to think that the bandwagon started BECAUSE he beat Sonic, but taking a look at how much he freaking crushed Dante there compared to the last match where Kirby stook out like a sore thumb while Dante shared the poll with Leon and Master Chief and still didn't even beat him as badly as he did the next match. I think Sonic's match with Kirby is a little exaggerated, I mean, he did at least beat Dante with like, 56% which isn't that bad.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/23/2009 10:55:36 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #137
Wait, Crono is outseeded in his own division by two FPS guys? WTF?

Yeah, I just noticed that.

OFF TOPIC: I just finished the 4th dark world dungeon in A Link to the Past without even setting foot in the forest that houses dungeon #3. Who else has done so (I'm probably going to guess...SEVERAL OF YOU)?

Its SoapFAQs now.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/23/2009 11:10:16 PM | message detail

Wait, how is it SoapFAQs now?

And are there going to be two matches a day, or matches are going to start at noon instead of midnight?

I'm just curious.

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/23/2009 11:19:32 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #143
Wait, how is it SoapFAQs now?

And are there going to be two matches a day, or matches are going to start at noon instead of midnight?

I'm just curious.

Cuz Soap is the next Link. He is gonna steamroll that division and take down Sephiroth.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/23/2009 11:22:26 PM | message detail

Call of Duty 2 will be GOTY in several magazines, so I'm sure we can convince LMS to take Soap to the final or something equally ridiculous.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/23/2009 11:27:47 PM | message detail

Does Soap appear in older Call of Duty games?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/23/2009 11:28:12 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #146
Does Soap appear in older Call of Duty games?

Nope, they take place during WW2.
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WalrusJump | Posted 12/23/2009 11:34:31 PM | message detail

sonic still gets 55 on kirby in a 1v1.

Sonic's votes get leeched SO HARD against nintendo/MM characters in a 4way. it's all effectively the same brand.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/23/2009 11:52:23 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #134
Bowser is the only possible way a 1 seed can lose before the final 8.

Ganondorf > Sonic is possible and about as likely.

Completely disagree for reasons listed in the last topic. Bowser has a very real shot at Sora IMO and that's why I picked him. Ganon/Kirby don't seem too close at all to taking out Sonic for the reasons Ulti listed.

From: Big Bob | #125
I took Jill in that match and never looked back. RE's still decently popular. GTA, not so much.

What? If a GTA game were announced right now gaming forums would go nuts. They would for RE as well but not as much.

If you mean RE has a bit more staying power in between games, then yes I would agree with the characters having that.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/24/2009 12:27:47 AM | message detail

This is getting annoying on my part, but...

...from what I've seen, the CoD4 buzz has began to recede, recede, and recede on a good number of gaming sites. Left 4 Dead seems to be more popular right now.

That was going by Destructoid's Top 50 Games of the Decade list, though. A list that had, uh, lots of the wrong games of their series. I won't go into detail again, because I know it would be annoying for you guys.

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