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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 769

frisqo | Posted 12/23/2009 8:54:18 AM | message detail
A FF7 remake on any system would be a pretty big deal, especially considering all the kids (I'm thinking 13>under) who have never played the game, or can't/won't play it cause of its outdated graphics.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 8:59:30 AM | message detail
I think you're just underestimating Amaterasu's strength.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/23/2009 9:05:33 AM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 12/23/2009 4:57:09 AM | #028
I did some right after the contest was over, but I didn't save them, and I dunno if anyone else did either. I know char made some of his own as well. Well, I guess TRE would have them archived somewhere since I posted them in the stats topic.

These are the most up to date versions I can find:

LeonhartFour - Final Contest Stats
http://www.thengamer.com/stats/Pt601-650/Stats_and_Discussion_Pt644/Stats and Discussion Pt644 Pg1.htm

LeonhartFour - 2008 Final Complete Raw Stats
http://www.thengamer.com/stats/Pt601-650/Stats_and_Discussion_Pt643/Stats and Discussion Pt643 Pg9.htm

charmander6000 - preliminary x-stats
http://www.thengamer.com/stats/Pt601-650/Stats_and_Discussion_Pt642/Stats and Discussion Pt642 Pg9.htm


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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 12/23/2009 9:06:43 AM | message detail
I want a Zelda 2 remake tbh <_<
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/23/2009 10:15:39 AM | message detail
I think you're just underestimating Amaterasu's strength.

I think people are overrating it. She got around expected on Frank West if you go through Ada Wong.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/23/2009 10:20:03 AM | message detail
So what's more impressive in 2008, 35% on Crono or 40% on Sonic?
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AsurasKordoth | Posted 12/23/2009 10:21:22 AM | message detail
Since I would peg them as only 2-3% apart, 40% on Sonic would be more impressive.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/23/2009 10:22:46 AM | message detail
At first glance, 40% on Sonic, though you have to keep in mind that Alucard was an afterthought in his match while Magus was the main attraction. I wouldn't use any match where a joke character was battling to advance as a strength gauge in 1v1.

I just think we should all switch to Alucard if we want to guarantee ourselves a point in that match. If the whole board is rallying against Magus, he's even MORE certain to choke.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/23/2009 10:27:28 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | Posted: 12/23/2009 1:22:46 PM | #059
At first glance, 40% on Sonic, though you have to keep in mind that Alucard was an afterthought in his match while Magus was the main attraction. I wouldn't use any match where a joke character was battling to advance as a strength gauge in 1v1.

I just think we should all switch to Alucard if we want to guarantee ourselves a point in that match. If the whole board is rallying against Magus, he's even MORE certain to choke.


You would think, although this will be close. Both characters generally collapse during the day, but then Alucard (and Castlevania in general) pulls out these random good day vote matches. Alucard's comeback against Liquid, his 2002/2003 performances, Castlevania > Halo...


This will likely start out close, with Alucard somehow pulling away a little come ASV time since Chrono Trigger, on cue, collapses with every ASV. If Alucard ends up with, say, a lead of 300 with two hours left then the fun really starts.
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AsurasKordoth | Posted 12/23/2009 10:32:11 AM | message detail
Man I once swore to myself never to trust Magus again but Alucard is just one of those guys who is almost equally as flaky. Plus...

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Magus_vs_Ganondorf_2003
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Ganondorf_vs_Alucard_2004

Those numbers are hardly accurate now but I'm banking on the fact that they have both declined at the same rate.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 10:41:43 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #057
So what's more impressive in 2008, 35% on Crono or 40% on Sonic?


What about Sandbag's 34% on Sonic in round 2? Which Sandbag number do we take seriously? The doubling or the 40% number?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/23/2009 10:43:00 AM | message detail
Who knows.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 12/23/2009 12:56:05 PM | message detail
Hey, guys:

Roxas
Heavy
Titus
Sub-Zero

Whaddaya got?

(roxas>subbie)
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 1:05:34 PM | message detail
I have Sub-Zero > Roxas

I think the winner of Sub-Zero/Tidus will take the four-pack. I don't think 358/2 will give Roxas a big enough boost.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 12/23/2009 1:07:08 PM | message detail
OK, good. Honestly, I wasn't sure if it would make that much of a difference. Gonna go change that right now.

(i love sub-zero so much, im tempted to put him over sora. i love money too much for that though)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 1:12:44 PM | message detail
Tidus > Roxas
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ffmasterjose | Posted 12/23/2009 2:10:54 PM | message detail
I've got Sub-Zero upsetting Tidus and then beating Roxas. Whoever wins between Tidus/Sub will beat Roxas.
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rpgsruleall | Posted 12/23/2009 2:17:08 PM | message detail
I have Sub-Zero>Roxas. I would consider it an upset if Tidus beat Sub-Zero, but that one could go either way.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/23/2009 2:38:58 PM | message detail
I'd take Pikachu > Sonic in fourways.

SZ > Tidus > Roxas > Sandvich
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swirIdude | Posted 12/23/2009 3:03:41 PM | message detail
I've clearly missed the memo on why Sub-Zero is so strong, what's the logic behind beating Tidus?
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yoshifan823 | Posted 12/23/2009 3:11:55 PM | message detail
In short, stronger than Master Chief, and breaking 40% on Auron, as well as a good strong showing in the Summer '07 contest. It took Sonic, Squall, and Sora to bring him down. Plus, he's a pretty timeless character.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 3:22:45 PM | message detail
Stronger than Master Chief in any year other than 2007 isn't that impressive.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 12/23/2009 3:24:29 PM | message detail
Well, being Tidus any year after 2003 isn't particularly impressive either.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 3:32:13 PM | message detail
I'm aware of that, but I've heard several people bring up Sub-Zero beating MC as if it's the deal breaker. I'd take Tidus to beat Master Chief, too. Un-Gamefuel'd MC is nothing special at all. He barely beat DK in '05, and Tidus schooled DK last year.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 12/23/2009 3:34:44 PM | message detail
I just mention that first because it happened first. I think his performance against Auron and in the '07 contest are much more impressive.

Of course, his old pals Sonic and Auron took him down in '08, so he has a history of being taken down by only the best and the Square-est.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 12/23/2009 3:40:46 PM | message detail
Another fun fact: GoW is scheduled to come out right around Kratos' match versus Sora.

Will this affect Kratos enough? He's stronger than most modern, western characters already, does this push him over the edge?
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 12/23/2009 3:47:38 PM | message detail
From: yoshifan823 | #077
Another fun fact: GoW is scheduled to come out right around Kratos' match versus Sora.

Will this affect Kratos enough? He's stronger than most modern, western characters already, does this push him over the edge?


No, there is a Charizard in the way.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 12/23/2009 3:51:33 PM | message detail
Haha, no chance. 'Zard's going down.
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pieisthebest | Posted 12/23/2009 3:56:13 PM | message detail
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pieisthebest | Posted 12/23/2009 3:56:15 PM | message detail

From: yoshifan823 | #077
Another fun fact: GoW is scheduled to come out right around Kratos' match versus Sora.

Will this affect Kratos enough? He's stronger than most modern, western characters already, does this push him over the edge?


He won't ever get to fight Sora, considering Sora is gonna lose against Bowser.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 12/23/2009 4:03:20 PM | message detail
That's actually more believable in my mind than Char>Kratos.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/23/2009 4:10:13 PM | message detail
Charizard will be lucky to get past Duke, let alone Kratos. No chance he escapes that fourpack.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 12/23/2009 5:21:49 PM | message detail
Good news friends!

First off I did some work on the Day/Night page Ulti put up a little bit ago. Check it out:

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/CB8_Start_Times

Now all the Day matches are marked Red and Night ones are blue, so you can easily tell at a glance!

Secondly, I put up this page for all of our x-stats from the last character battle.

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/2008_X-Stats

You can use either charmander's adjustment or Leon's, whichever looks better to you. The "raw" stats are also included, which you can use if you're CRAZY.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/23/2009 5:40:19 PM | message detail
charmander has the better xstats imo
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 6:20:43 PM | message detail
Debatable matches solved!**

Squall Leonhart – 35.64%
Mega Man – 35.52%
Auron – 35.46%
Bowser – 35.03%
Luigi – 35.01%
Tifa Lockhart – 34.75%
Kirby – 34.62%
Sora – 34.34%

Dante Sparda – 32.27%
Ryu – 29.28%

Tidus – 27.28%
Sub-Zero – 26.39%

Alucard – 26.01%
Magus – 21.50%

Niko Bellic – 20.17%
Jill Valentine – 18.78%

Neku Sakuraba – 15.97%
Laharl – 15.92%

Arthas Menethil – 21.81%
Kefka – 19.58%

Liquid Snake – 32.10%
Vivi Orunitia – 26.62%

Ike – 23.65%
Zidane Tribal – 18.56%

122. Tim – 9.87%
123. Nathan Drake – 9.42%
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 6:22:14 PM | message detail
Although it's kinda funny how char's stats teach the exact opposite!
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/23/2009 7:15:41 PM | message detail
Sub Zero breaking 40% on Auron was REALLY impressive if you ask me. I don't think Tidus could do that (taking out SFF obviously). If this were 2006 I would take Subby > Tidus. And I don't trust 4-way stats at all. Using 2006 data is unreliable but the 4-ways are more unreliable IMO. It's just a good indicator of whether a character went way up or way down in the past couple years and I don't see Subby losing much value at all, (but neither did Tidus).

Definitely a match up in the air but I picked Sub-Zero without hesitation. Tidus is becoming less relevant if you ask me, Subby is a classic character that will stay consistent.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 7:22:53 PM | message detail
Heh, it's hard to believe that FFX is 8 years old now. I still think of it as a relatively new game.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/23/2009 7:36:01 PM | message detail
Even the oldness of it isn't that big of a factor. Just that nobody really cares a LOT about Tidus. Squall, Auron, Cloud, Sephy all have staying power and haven't fluctuated much, whereas Tidus was pretty good in 2002 and 2003 and then plummeted. Kingdom Hearts helped those other characters but still..
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 7:38:21 PM | message detail
I don't know that Tidus really dropped that much. He got overrated by a weird match with Sonic in 2002 (in which the poll was down for several hours, if I recall correctly) and by being in Magus's fourpack in 2003.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/23/2009 7:46:31 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #089
Heh, it's hard to believe that FFX is 8 years old now. I still think of it as a relatively new game.


FFX is as old now as CT was during the first contest. Weird to think about
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 7:47:48 PM | message detail
FFX was less than a year old during that first contest, too.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 8:19:55 PM | message detail
With the two sets of x-stats posted I decided to see how well they stack against each other in predicting the first round if both characters in the match appeared last year (there were 32). Most of the predictions are within a percent or two from each other, but there are some crazy predictions.

charmander6000: Alucard – 52.67%
LeonhartFour: Alucard – 58.67%

charmander6000: Luigi – 58.97%
LeonhartFour: Luigi – 65.12%

charmander6000: Amaterasu – 51.76%
LeonhartFour: Amaterasu – 63.95%

charmander6000: Knuckles – 66.23%
LeonhartFour: Knuckles – 69.58%

charmander6000: Ganondorf – 61.43%
LeonhartFour: Ganondorf – 58.90%

charmander6000: Vivi – 58.62%
LeonhartFour: Vivi – 58.96%

charmander6000: Liquid Snake – 62.73%
LeonhartFour: Liquid Snake – 66.20%

charmander6000: Mario – 73.97%
LeonhartFour: Mario – 75.50%

charmander6000: Big Boss – 76.18%
LeonhartFour: Big Boss – 74.39%

charmander6000: Ryu Hayabusa – 66.55%
LeonhartFour: Ryu Hayabusa – 65.17%

charmander6000: Master Chief – 61.64%
LeonhartFour: Master Chief – 72.44%

charmander6000: Sora – 63.16%
LeonhartFour: Sora – 65.86%

charmander6000: Neku – 51.47%
LeonhartFour: Neku – 50.16%

charmander6000: Arthas – 60.29%
LeonhartFour: Arthas – 55.11%

charmander6000: Bowser – 62.55%
LeonhartFour: Bowser – 63.20%

charmander6000: Isaac – 59.88%
LeonhartFour: Isaac – 55.71%

charmander6000: Kratos – 66.92%
LeonhartFour: Kratos – 68.19%

charmander6000: Jill Valentine – 51.32%
LeonhartFour: Niko Bellic – 53.45%

charmander6000: Roxas – 65.07%
LeonhartFour: Roxas – 69.22%

charmander6000: Sub-Zero – 51.13%
LeonhartFour: Tidus – 51.63%

charmander6000: Zelda – 78.61%
LeonhartFour: Zelda – 79.86%

charmander6000: Chris Redfield – 74.68%
LeonhartFour: Chris Redfield – 71.62%

charmander6000: Riku – 68.43%
LeonhartFour: Riku – 68.43%

charmander6000: Captain Falcon – 84.55%
LeonhartFour: Captain Falcon – 83.81%

charmander6000: Kratos Aurion – 62.87%
LeonhartFour: Kratos Aurion – 61.05%

charmander6000: Ryu – 67.84%
LeonhartFour: Ryu – 68.55%

charmander6000: Fox – 62.46%
LeonhartFour: Fox – 62.14%

charmander6000: Pikachu – 81.55%
LeonhartFour: Pikachu – 80.90%

charmander6000: Zero – 62.48%
LeonhartFour: Zero – 61.74%

charmander6000: Sephiroth – 72.99%
LeonhartFour: Sephiroth – 74.94%

charmander6000: Vincent – 85.37%
LeonhartFour: 85.50%

charmander6000: Geno – 53.93%
LeonhartFour: Geno – 60.67%

My Thoughts

- Ness was SFF last year in round 1 and has no true value so don't panic.
- Six years later and it looks like Vivi/DK will play out the same.
- Neku seems to have been less pathetic compare to Laharl
- There needs to be more Jill/Niko discussion
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/23/2009 8:20:18 PM | message detail
I didn't even play FFX until earlier this year, so the nostalgia doesn't hit me.

And please don't parade Kratos > Sora. That's the only upset I have that sets my bracket apart!

Damn this cookie-cutter bull****. I wouldn't be surprised if we got a perfect despite having twice as many matches as usual.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2009 8:21:32 PM | message detail
FFX was less than a year old during that first contest, too.

Tidus was the youngest character in the 2002 contest and along with Dante and Max Payne was one of the only three characters created in 2001 to have been in the contest.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 8:27:31 PM | message detail
charmander6000: Riku – 68.43%
LeonhartFour: Riku – 68.43%


Nice. At least we agree somewhere!
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/23/2009 8:28:51 PM | message detail
If you count MGS2 as 01 then Raiden also came from that year.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/23/2009 8:33:21 PM | message detail
Raiden wasn't in SC2K2 though.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/23/2009 8:38:06 PM | message detail
Oopsie.

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