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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 5:29:27 PM | message detail
Not on 2k3 and 2k4. He was decent in the latter and he was The Black Sonic in the former.

Just because he had strength doesn't mean he wasn't hated.


And Peach is liable to win that. It's just that Gordy is the Hero of the People, the One Free Man, and I'm backing him on that match even if it kills me. Dude DESERVES it.

Let's go back to 2006.

Freeman got 36% on Sora
Peach got 34% on Tifa

That was before The Orange Box and if you believe it, Mario deboost.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 5:30:31 PM | message detail
Thats the year he "bombed to Sub Zero"

people seem to forget Subby was actually pretty strong that year


That was pre-Ninja Gaiden II Hayabusa.

Though that was also pre-Halo 3 Chief.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/27/2009 5:31:52 PM | message detail
Considering Tifa was basically equal to Samus that year due to KH2F and that Sora couldn't beat Mega Man, Peach has to be the favorite. If there's a Mario deboost, it'd have to be pretty massive to give Gordon a shot, even when he comes with the extra strength from the Gamespot publicity.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 5:34:35 PM | message detail
Considering Tifa was basically equal to Samus that year due to KH2F and that Sora couldn't beat Mega Man, Peach has to be the favorite. If there's a Mario deboost, it'd have to be pretty massive to give Gordon a shot, even when he comes with the extra strength from the Gamespot publicity.

You mean the match where it was Zero Suit Samus? Now you're going to tell me that Naked Snake doesn't give Big Boss a boost.

Freeman doesn't need GameSpot to win.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/27/2009 5:35:01 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #451
Not on 2k3 and 2k4. He was decent in the latter and he was The Black Sonic in the former.

Just because he had strength doesn't mean he wasn't hated.


And Peach is liable to win that. It's just that Gordy is the Hero of the People, the One Free Man, and I'm backing him on that match even if it kills me. Dude DESERVES it.

Let's go back to 2006.

Freeman got 36% on Sora
Peach got 34% on Tifa

That was before The Orange Box and if you believe it, Mario deboost.


I have one argument.

Tina Armstrong

Actually a couple more. Sam Fisher.. Max Payne. His match against Phoenix was not impressive either. And Sora never blows anything out. 65 on HK-47, 61 on Ryu H, 70 on Agent 47, 55 on Alucard, 75 on ****ing TINGLE...
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Agent M | Posted 12/27/2009 5:36:24 PM | message detail
Mario deboost? What because of Brawl?

I never understood that and I don't buy it. Brawl kicked ass last contest. Just because some hardcore
SSBM players were let down... how on earth is that going to make Nintendo characters weaker?
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 5:37:59 PM | message detail
I have one argument.

Tina Armstrong

Actually a couple more. Sam Fisher.. Max Payne. His match against Phoenix was not impressive either. And Sora never blows anything out. 65 on HK-47, 61 on Ryu H, 70 on Agent 47, 55 on Alucard, 75 on ****ing TINGLE...


Because characters don't gain strength over years Tina Armstrong > Max Payne, Sam Fisher and Leon Kennedy, lol. Also maybe Sora didn't blow those characters away because they have strength?
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 5:38:39 PM | message detail
Mario deboost? What because of Brawl?

I never understood that and I don't buy it. Brawl kicked ass last contest. Just because some hardcore
SSBM players were let down... how on earth is that going to make Nintendo characters weaker?


I never understood it myself, but some people seem to think so.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/27/2009 5:38:46 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 12/27/2009 5:34:35 PM | #454
Considering Tifa was basically equal to Samus that year due to KH2F and that Sora couldn't beat Mega Man, Peach has to be the favorite. If there's a Mario deboost, it'd have to be pretty massive to give Gordon a shot, even when he comes with the extra strength from the Gamespot publicity.

You mean the match where it was Zero Suit Samus? Now you're going to tell me that Naked Snake doesn't give Big Boss a boost.

Freeman doesn't need GameSpot to win.


So you're saying a ZSS pic deboosts Samus by 8%? Uhh...really? I mean, with BB it's explainable: he becomes Snake, literally. But Samus is still Samus, and pretty recognizable.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/27/2009 5:40:13 PM | message detail

From: DaruniaTheGoron | Posted: 12/27/2009 5:35:01 PM | #455
I have one argument.

Tina Armstrong

Actually a couple more. Sam Fisher.. Max Payne. His match against Phoenix was not impressive either. And Sora never blows anything out. 65 on HK-47, 61 on Ryu H, 70 on Agent 47, 55 on Alucard, 75 on ****ing TINGLE...


Hey, the Tingle hate is unnecessary, bro! You can't hate the crazy bastard after Rosy Rupeeland! :P
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/27/2009 5:41:02 PM | message detail
Tingle has strength? TINGLE?

Agent 47 too? I don't buy it.

And yeah I know, the GFNW stuff is in the past. I'd take him over all three characters I mentioned today.

But really, you never know with this guy, especially because of the 4-way data. Maybe he's like Chief, gets some hardcore support from Valve people and that's it.

I took Gordon, but if Peach won I would not be surprised considering who he's lost to.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 5:41:36 PM | message detail
So you're saying a ZSS pic deboosts Samus by 8%? Uhh...really? I mean, with BB it's explainable: he becomes Snake, literally. But Samus is still Samus, and pretty recognizable.

Maybe you haven't played Metroid, but I wouldn't be surprised if many people didn't knew what Samus looked like under that suit, heck Smash fans who haven't seen the trailer probably don't even know what she looks like either.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/27/2009 5:43:09 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 12/27/2009 5:41:36 PM | #462
So you're saying a ZSS pic deboosts Samus by 8%? Uhh...really? I mean, with BB it's explainable: he becomes Snake, literally. But Samus is still Samus, and pretty recognizable.

Maybe you haven't played Metroid, but I wouldn't be surprised if many people didn't knew what Samus looked like under that suit, heck Smash fans who haven't seen the trailer probably don't even know what she looks like either.


I have. If you don't live under a rock, you get that hammered into your skull whenever Samus appears on EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. That's why I don't buy it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 5:44:07 PM | message detail
Tingle has strength? TINGLE?

People vote for him because of Zelda, the whole point of the Midgar Zolom rally was to see how rabid Final Fantasy VII fans were, but he got stuck against Cloud.

Agent 47 too? I don't buy it.

70% is pretty good, remember this was pre-KH2 Sora.


And yeah I know, the GFNW stuff is in the past. I'd take him over all three characters I mentioned today.

But really, you never know with this guy, especially because of the 4-way data. Maybe he's like Chief, gets some hardcore support from Valve people and that's it.

I took Gordon, but if Peach won I would not be surprised considering who he's lost to.


I'm saying that Freeman would have had a good chance at defeating Peach in 2006, now it shouldn't be too hard (though it's not like he will blow her away)
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 5:46:05 PM | message detail
I have. If you don't live under a rock, you get that hammered into your skull whenever Samus appears on EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. That's why I don't buy it.

Sure you know Samus is a girl, but she's not as recognizable out of her suit, that you can not deny.

Though if you want to look at the match at a different way think Sephiroth vs. Ganondorf/Bowser.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/27/2009 5:47:24 PM | message detail
Man I dunno.. she's equal to Jill. I'm seriously considering Peach now.

****. I've decided not to care about this year's contest. If I do well, I do well. But there's so many matches up in the air.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 5:48:48 PM | message detail
Freeman would beat Jill pre-RE5 and maybe post.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/27/2009 5:48:53 PM | message detail
Well I don't buy everybody behind Tifa getting an 8% boost out of nowhere. If Tifa was as big as Samus her previous year looks even more weird.

As for Ryu H/MC, I'm actually starting to lean to Ryu H. I'll admit that we haven't seen Halo during the days of the character battles after the first game contest, (outside of that horrible series bombing) so we don't really know if Halo as a game is just unpopular while the character is fine where he is, but for some reason I doubt he'll be as good as he was in 1 vs1 anymore. Halo has gone from almost beating Starcraft to losing to an SFF'd or LFF'd Wind Waker and its recent sequel losing to just about every Xbox game around it.

Ryu H almost beat Zero who beat Vivi; these guys have at least proven to be in Sub-Zero's tier. With that said, Master Chief will have no easy time even if he's been constant since 2006, and It's going to be hard for me to accept that he has been considering the huge fall Halo has received since 2004.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/27/2009 5:55:31 PM | message detail
I just can't wait to start this contest and get some more reliable data. Friggin 4-ways..
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/27/2009 6:05:34 PM | message detail

From: DaruniaTheGoron | Posted: 12/27/2009 8:55:31 PM | #469
I just can't wait to start this contest and get some more reliable data. Friggin 4-ways..


A-****ing-men. Preach that ****.
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Agent M | Posted 12/27/2009 6:10:54 PM | message detail
2007 was an awesome memorable contest, but that format really started to feel like beating a dead horse. At the very least alternating between the formats would have been an acceptable compromise.

Even though I'll be missing the start of the day matches mon-fri, this is just about as good a contest as I could have expected, minus some wasted characters here and there.

I ended up with Mario/Megaman in my bracket also, sweet. Mario wins easy, but it's a match not seen before.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/27/2009 6:22:01 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 12/27/2009 5:46:05 PM | #465
I have. If you don't live under a rock, you get that hammered into your skull whenever Samus appears on EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. That's why I don't buy it.

Sure you know Samus is a girl, but she's not as recognizable out of her suit, that you can not deny.

Though if you want to look at the match at a different way think Sephiroth vs. Ganondorf/Bowser.


This I can buy. A flukish overperformance due to bracket suck and there being an obvious winner is possible. The pic factor was what I had to disagree on.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/27/2009 6:26:42 PM | message detail
Pics are pretty much important. Just look at Big Boss.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 6:29:14 PM | message detail
Maybe it's a combination of both, Zelda was able to get 45% on her as well.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/27/2009 6:39:43 PM | message detail
Mario deboost? What because of Brawl?

I never understood that and I don't buy it. Brawl kicked ass last contest. Just because some hardcore
SSBM players were let down... how on earth is that going to make Nintendo characters weaker?

I never understood it myself, but some people seem to think so.


It has nothing to do with Brawl. The Nintendo Deboost is based on seeing a lot of Nintendo, especially Mario, characters do badly in 2008. I and a bunch of people call it the "Brawl Deboost" as a sort of joke, because before the contest people were fearing a Brawl boost, and in order to make fun of Brawl (which we consider a vastly inferior game to Melee) a bit.

There's no real explanation for why the Deboost happened, any more than for why the original Boost happened in 2005. It's just a site shift, as far as we know.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/27/2009 6:44:21 PM | message detail
Also, Ryu Hayabusa beat Zero and Riku + Roxas combined. I don't mean that he should be a big favorite, but that's enough for me to take him over non-game fueled Chief.
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Agent M | Posted 12/27/2009 7:01:54 PM | message detail
Ryu H is so hard to pin down though. Why can't he be more like SF Ryu aka "mr. consistent"

Thank god he's nowhere near Snake, although MC is another char that can't decide how strong he is.


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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/27/2009 7:07:37 PM | message detail
Gordon vs. Peach is actually quite the debatable match; I was about to bring it up myself. Here are the arguments for Gordon:

-Is the (much) higher seed.
-Has momentum from the Gamespot contest.
-According to the x-stats from the games contest, Gordon is the star of the most popular game on this site that isn't Nintendo, Square, or Metal Gear (and yes that is counting GoldenEye as Nintendo); also the star of the most popular American game on this site.
-Finished higher in the 2007 x-stats.
-Peach was not present in 2008, and we all know how being away for one year can hurt.
-Who'd you vote for, a generic scientist with badass looks or a generic damsel-in-distress? Just tell me.

Arguments for Peach winning:

-Finished higher in the 2006 x-stats.
-Was SFFd in 2007 so we don't know for sure how well she would've done.
-Might've got a boost from Brawl.

BTW who thinks that Samus got a boost from Brawl? I do, and it's not improbable to think so.
H__RR____H | Posted 12/27/2009 7:10:40 PM | message detail
Chief is higher on the Xbox heiarchy
Its a day match, and Ryu is pretty much static from day to night
Chief has always been stronger


1) The hierarchy shouldn't matter. If it does, Hayabusa doesn't stand a chance, but we've not seen evidence for Xbox-fans here actually favoring MC yet. It's worth noting Halo 2 killed NG in 2004's Xbox-GotY, but Hayabusa still looks to be around MC's level and NG still took runner-up that year while NG Black won 2005's Xbox-GotY. NG also has a (small) presence on the NES and PS3, a minor advantage MC lacks.

2) True about the day-match being a concern. I think Hayabusa improved with the day-vote in most of his matches, though MC almost certainly does better with it. Still, this point holds as much weight as your idea of how different the day-polls and night-polls will be. I don't think it will matter very much, though MC should have an edge there.

3) Usually been stronger, yes. Last year was arguable though and they've usually been pretty close.


For the Hayabusa/MC comparison since Riku+Roxas has come up a lot, I'll throw these polls out there:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2890
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2517
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2540
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3298

Hayabusa gets ~50.5% on Riku+Roxas in poll #1 and MC gets ~47.9% on Dante in poll #4 (less if you think Leon LFF'd him). Through this comparison, Hayabusa's got a fair argument.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/27/2009 7:13:37 PM | message detail
There's also the old argument about MC doing better in 4-ways because of his anti-votes being diluted. I know 2008 showed us that MC's crazy 2007 run was fueled by game fuel and Halo 3 hype more than anything else, but it's possible that 4-ways nonetheless do help him somewhat.
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H__RR____H | Posted 12/27/2009 7:15:44 PM | message detail
Also, Gordon's beating Peach. I'd bet my sig on it, but I'm saving it in case Squall does the impossible...! Haha, but seriously, Peach lost to MK pre-SSBB during 2007's contest and hasn't been notable since. I would take Scorpion over Peach and Gordon beat him down in R2 last year; I think he would have during R1 too if it wasn't for Big Daddy, but we need more evidence. I would also take Ganondorf-with-Samus last year over MK-pre-SSBB-with-Peach in 2007.

Oh, and Gordon should beat Jill by at least twenty-eight votes too.
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H__RR____H | Posted 12/27/2009 7:17:31 PM | message detail
I've tried to lay off the four-way benefits largely because of your arguments, but he does remain a potential beneficiary from the format if we're wrong about hardcore fanbases.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/27/2009 7:21:26 PM | message detail
In MC's case, it's not really about the hardcore thing so much as the anti-votes, I think. Plus I'd expect the Xbox fanbase to be pretty independent on a Nintendo/Square dominated site like this, which would be a plus in 4-ways for MC. But yeah, nothing conclusive about MC and 4-ways yet.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/27/2009 7:22:59 PM | message detail

From: H__RR____H | Posted: 12/27/2009 7:15:44 PM | #481
Also, Gordon's beating Peach. I'd bet my sig on it, but I'm saving it in case Squall does the impossible...! Haha, but seriously, Peach lost to MK pre-SSBB during 2007's contest and hasn't been notable since. I would take Scorpion over Peach and Gordon beat him down in R2 last year; I think he would have during R1 too if it wasn't for Big Daddy, but we need more evidence. I would also take Ganondorf-with-Samus last year over MK-pre-SSBB-with-Peach in 2007.

Oh, and Gordon should beat Jill by at least twenty-eight votes too.


I think I love you, HaR. Anyone who picks Squall to finish above 45% is an automatic awesome guy in my book. <3
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/27/2009 7:25:40 PM | message detail
45%?

.....But extrapolating through Crono/Auron and Snake/Squall, that would make Crono stronger than Snake. Factor in CTDS, and......

Yes......the ultimate upset.....the one I've been waiting for for years.....

Crono > Sephiroth let's do this!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/27/2009 7:26:06 PM | message detail
I'm iffy on Riku though. He's looked like crap the past few years.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 7:43:30 PM | message detail
Riku's path is pretty safe, unless you think Falcon is a hidden beast.

The guy got 44.41% against Alucard with Diddy Kong and Kratos Aurion in the poll while Riku was only able to get 40% on Leon. Still quite a gap.
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H__RR____H | Posted 12/27/2009 7:44:10 PM | message detail
Fortunately, there's still Hayabusa > Zero > Vivi when you ignore Solid Snake affecting Hayabusa for back-up.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/27/2009 7:52:29 PM | message detail
The guy got 44.41% against Alucard with Diddy Kong and Kratos Aurion in the poll while Riku was only able to get 40% on Leon. Still quite a gap.

I guess it depends on how much you think Alucard was affected. Would anybody expect Alucard to beat Riku good?
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Lightslayer987 | Posted 12/27/2009 8:18:07 PM | message detail
are people really considering gordon losing to peach?

i mean the old Gordon pre Half Life 2 maybe, but the gordon of the last few years would double her
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/27/2009 8:18:47 PM | message detail
are people really considering gordon losing to peach?

There are stupid people everywhere it seems.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/27/2009 8:38:11 PM | message detail
Thoughts on some of the discussion threads:

- Ryu H/MC: This is one of those matches that seemed painfully obvious at first then got more confusing the more I thought about it. It's hard to see Chief losing to any other X-Box character, especially someone as weird and unpredictable as Hayabusa. Someone stated it in this topic, but I was always a proponent of Pit/DeDeDe hurting Zero in that match, so it's hard to take that at face value. I also think everyone is overrating the Snake overlap a little bit. Against pretty much any other opponent in Chief's strength range, I would take Hayabusa. But this is starting to scream Mario/Samus to me, and we all know my thoughts on THAT particular bandwagon. In short, hard to see Chief losing here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he did choke it away

- Red: Augh, people are STILL talking about this? At least the discussion has turned to his first round match, although now it's the OTHER side digging for an upset. Red is going to get destroyed by X, but he should have ZERO trouble with Ocelot. Ocelot is a jobber plain and simple. Red would have to be at like, Nidoran F levels for me to take that upset.

- Voting trends: People are severely overrating the impact vote times are going to have. Most of the votes on this site are from North America, and most regular users check the site more than once a day. Will there be a difference? Probably. Will Sora lose to Bowser because it's a night match instead of a day match? Probably not. Still think it's a totally rubbish gimmick that's going to muddy up the only decent numbers we've had in 3 years....
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 8:42:44 PM | message detail
- Red: Augh, people are STILL talking about this? At least the discussion has turned to his first round match, although now it's the OTHER side digging for an upset. Red is going to get destroyed by X, but he should have ZERO trouble with Ocelot. Ocelot is a jobber plain and simple. Red would have to be at like, Nidoran F levels for me to take that upset.

Ocelot is above the fodderline, Red doesn't need to be weaker than Nidoran F to lose, though everyone knows that joke pokemon like Nidoran F, Bidoof and Mudkip overperform.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 8:51:45 PM | message detail
In an attempt to fill up this topic, it seems that PSP ownership has gone up quite a bit, but like the DS, the amount of people not wanting one period has gone up. Will it be the same for the consoles?

Also does anyone think we'll get another PS2 poll or will we go straight to PS3.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 9:00:44 PM | message detail
Looks like we have a PS3 poll.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/27/2009 9:02:35 PM | message detail
Pit/Dedede hurting Zero.. I'm unsure about. I doubt it's significant, though.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 9:02:44 PM | message detail
Wow the PS3 has gone up by almost 10%

Time for some Sackboy > Kratos Aurion hype.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/27/2009 9:09:21 PM | message detail
I mean Sackboy's only match was before his game was out, the PS3 wasn't accepted yet and he was against a character whose upcoming game was the reason to own a PS3 at the time.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/27/2009 9:10:46 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 12/28/2009 12:02:44 AM | #497
Wow the PS3 has gone up by almost 10%

Time for some Sackboy > Kratos Aurion hype.


Or Nathan > The Boss.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/27/2009 9:10:56 PM | message detail
Play EarthBound
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