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"I can set you free, mate."
"My freedom was forfeit long ago!"

that's not voltch'd, that's pokemon'd
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xyzzy

Oh hey, I just noticed that FFVIII is in the top 25 for FAQs now that the PSN version is out.

Squall boost confirmed. Snake, watch your back!
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"So cold. I am always by your side."
"There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!"

Red and Charizard are both going to bomb.
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Charizard is not going to bomb! By my expectations anyway <_<
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I don't think Charizard's going to bomb, but at the same time he's not going to be nearly as strong as Board 8 expects him to be. He'll take out Duke with ease and give Kratos a good fight before being eliminated. I do think he's likely the second-strongest Pokemon, but I don't think I'd even take Pikachu over Kratos. Well, maybe I would after seeing him get 45% on Kratos over at Gamespot.
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Not Wylvane

That contest also had Dante flopping hard to Pac-Man.
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I'll make the next stats topic and put the poll start times on the B8 wiki. No need for a giant list to clutter up 3 posts.
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I am the Dragon of Blood, a relentless prince of pain
Renouncing God on His throne, my blood is forever stained.

Here's the final lowdown on Red:

First of all, half of the people who played RBY.. didn't play red. They played blue.
Secondly, you get three choices for names PLUS you can pick your own. Hardly anybody I've ever seen chooses the name "Red". Nor do they choose a colour name for their rival. Most pick Ash or their own name or something cool.
Thirdly, your character does NOTHING in the game. Comparisons to Link or Crono are stupid. I have ZERO emotional connection to Red and basically equate him to myself since the things he does are what I could do. He just chooses moves, walks around, buys stuff. Whereas when I play Zelda games, I see Link as kind of a separate character who kicks ass with a sword and bow.


Anyway, I haven't been around much in the topics lately. I read this topic.

The Sora/Bowser match.. I dunno about you guys, but Sora seems sort of weird. I almost see him as a Master Chief.. I mean he never impresses much when he wins. He got 63% on Gordon. But then when he loses he looks good, like 46% on Mega Man. I don't see him as really strong, I see him as a guy with a lot of hardcore support. I could never see him suddenly gaining a lot of popularity and beating a Noble Niner.

Bowser's like the opposite of Sora, he gets a ton of casual support. He crumbles against other Nintendo characters. But in 1v1 I think he's REALLY good.

Anyway.. I'm really having trouble with Sora/Bowser. If it was a day match I'd go with Sora. But it's a night match. I think Bowser's gonna jump out to a nice big lead with the power hour. While that ASV would only swing about 3 or 4% at most, I think that'll be the difference in this match. I'm going with Bowser.
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Bowser's like the opposite of Sora, he gets a ton of casual support. He crumbles

CWUMBLES
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While that ASV would only swing about 3 or 4% at most

There's no way the ASV swings that much, even with Sora.

If Bowser doesn't win for 24 hours, he probably doesn't win for 12 hours unless it's super close for 24 hours.
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"I can set you free, mate."
"My freedom was forfeit long ago!"

One last post about Red for now:

First, I'm glad so many people showed up to say they were fans of Red. Second, a lot of these arguments against Red I have heard many many times over the years leveled at Link and Crono. You can say that they're different, but really, the primary difference seems to be that we've seen Link and Crono do really well in contests, and no one finds their strength strange anymore.

I'm a huge fanboy of both Crono and Link as you probably know, and yeah, it's rather hard to explain why I like them so much. But I am very glad Gamefaqs has such good taste (meaning it agrees with me) in voting for these 2 characters so much. We'll see what the silent majority has to say about Red when they get to vote, come contest time.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

You can say that they're different, but really, the primary difference seems to be that we've seen Link and Crono do really well in contests, and no one finds their strength strange anymore.

You can think what you want, but trust someone who has played the game many, many times when I say that you're completely wrong.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

I'm switching to Ryu. Ever since I really started thinking about it, it's struck me as an upset that could easily happen. Dante has the 2K5 Vincent match and better 4way results, but he's never gotten that big 1v1 win. I don't believe in Capcom SFF, but I do believe there's overlap between these similar looking, badass human characters, and I wouldn't be surprised if those voters sided with the more established Ryu.

Ryu's never had a big 1v1 win either, unless you count the win over Dante in 2003. 4 losses to a Noble Niner with over 40% and a loss to Bowser.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

You can say that they're different, but really, the primary difference seems to be that we've seen Link and Crono do really well in contests, and no one finds their strength strange anymore.

Or that LoZ and CT is about Link and Crono while RBY is about the Pokemon.
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It's simple to explain why people like Link and Crono. In fact, it's too simple (and could be perceived as shallow), which is why some people say it's hard to explain. People who use the whole "You are Link" or "You are Crono" thing...I don't buy that. I've never played the game and felt like I was Link or Crono. Last I checked, I didn't have ridiculous red hair, a sword, or have the ability to use lightning magic.

Link and Crono have great character design, awesome moves, and they star in some of the best games and most epic adventures ever made. Plus, they actually do have SOME characterization, even though they don't talk. Red doesn't really have a great design, in my opinion. He doesn't have ANY moves since he doesn't fight directly. The only thing he's really got left to him is option #3, which may be good enough.
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"I can set you free, mate."
"My freedom was forfeit long ago!"

I wasn't aware anyone even cared for the 'main' characters in Pokemon. It's not even a 'silent majority' thing -- who has ever shown any interest in Red? I've actually played Pokemon RB, the first and last Pokemon games I played, but what makes him any different than 'Gold' or 'Platinum' or whatever the other main Pokemon characters are called? It's not even that he's silent that matters. The game is about the Pokemon, not the person who walks into grass. He's about as far from a Link or a Crono as you can get, really.

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I've actually played Pokemon RB, the first and last Pokemon games I played

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the Pokemon are the tools, man. It's Red who is succeeding.

Red is who we want to be. He's a kid and he gets to go on a crazy adventure with lots of super cool animal friends and like take on criminals and get super rich and not do homework and stuff like that. I'm far more attached to him than Link or Crono, because he's like... livin' the dream. There's no video game character I'd rather take the place of... so that makes him special somehow.

I dunno. Honestly, I didn't think of myself as a Red fan until he came up in the nominations... but then I thought about it and was like... "oh hey, I'm a Red fan" and maybe other people will see him and have that same reaction.

or not.
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From: LeonhartFour | #411
While that ASV would only swing about 3 or 4% at most

There's no way the ASV swings that much, even with Sora.

If Bowser doesn't win for 24 hours, he probably doesn't win for 12 hours unless it's super close for 24 hours.

Umm.. Sora went up 2% against Gordon. Gordon went down 2%. That is a total of a 4% swing. I dunno, maybe the way I'm saying it is incorrect, but that's what I meant by a 4% swing.

From: red sox 777 | #412
One last post about Red for now:

First, I'm glad so many people showed up to say they were fans of Red. Second, a lot of these arguments against Red I have heard many many times over the years leveled at Link and Crono. You can say that they're different, but really, the primary difference seems to be that we've seen Link and Crono do really well in contests, and no one finds their strength strange anymore.

I'm a huge fanboy of both Crono and Link as you probably know, and yeah, it's rather hard to explain why I like them so much. But I am very glad Gamefaqs has such good taste (meaning it agrees with me) in voting for these 2 characters so much. We'll see what the silent majority has to say about Red when they get to vote, come contest time.

I JUST explained the difference.. yet you still completely ignore everyone who expressed the same thoughts and continue to say Link, Crono and Red are all similar. Please actually come up with a rebuttal to the points we brought up, rather than saying "Well Link and Crono are proven" and that's it. That's NOT what we said, we just explained why they are more popular.

From: red sox 777 | #414
I'm switching to Ryu. Ever since I really started thinking about it, it's struck me as an upset that could easily happen. Dante has the 2K5 Vincent match and better 4way results, but he's never gotten that big 1v1 win. I don't believe in Capcom SFF, but I do believe there's overlap between these similar looking, badass human characters, and I wouldn't be surprised if those voters sided with the more established Ryu.

Ryu's never had a big 1v1 win either, unless you count the win over Dante in 2003. 4 losses to a Noble Niner with over 40% and a loss to Bowser.

Something about Ryu.. I just don't know. I just have that gut feeling for him. But I switched to Dante. But it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Ryu surprise people and win the match.
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Someday, I'll get around to my 20-post write-up about why Crono is awesome. (Although at this point, I think half the reason I like Crono is because of these contests....they're the difference between him being my favorite video game character and me being willing to vote him over every other character in video games combined).

And to clarify, I'm not equating Red with Crono. I said Crono was Red's ceiling, and that I have a huge range for Red, meaning that I expect Red in all likelihood to be a great deal weaker than Crono.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I dunno, the fact that I've already heard a lot people on the board say that they didn't even realize that they liked the guy at all until they thought about him seems...pretty weird. That just makes me feel like he's going to bomb.
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I dunno, the fact that I've already heard a lot people on the board say that they didn't even realize that they liked the guy at all until they thought about him seems...pretty weird. That just makes me feel like he's going to bomb.

Makes me feel the opposite. Everyone's realizing it now, so it like... explains no one nominating him before. But now we're all realizing it, so he's going to tear everyone up.
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Pokemon is the only series I can think of where I don't use the default name.

You're relying on people to stop and think about the character before they vote.
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Umm.. Sora went up 2% against Gordon. Gordon went down 2%. That is a total of a 4% swing. I dunno, maybe the way I'm saying it is incorrect, but that's what I meant by a 4% swing.

Ah, I see what you mean. I still don't think that the day/night thing is going to be THAT huge of a deal breaker.
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Why not just say Red's ceiling is .01% higher then Link then? That way, your argument can be something equally as crazy, but at least makes sense. Saying his ceiling is Crono and comparing the two characters just doesn't make any sense whatsoever because they're nothing alike. Even Crono says "..." in his game a couple of times...
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

It's kinda funny that people didn't even think about him at all until he got nominated. That sort of tells you everything.

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Makes me feel the opposite. Everyone's realizing it now, so it like... explains no one nominating him before. But now we're all realizing it, so he's going to tear everyone up.

I dunno. It just makes me think that people don't really have a lot of strong feelings for the guy, so maybe Red can beat someone who's low midcard like Ocelot, but someone like MMX? I can't see it.
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

The only reason he got nominated was because of RBY performing so well. People wanted more RBY representation, and they looked at the fact that Red was in Brawl and thought he would be perfect.

What's funny is that Sakurai actually had Red's character down perfect in Brawl! Throws a Pokeball from afar and is pretty much non-existent for the rest of the game.
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Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

Who else is mad that MMX is wasted to Link? It's almost as sad as Pikachu.

Switch Shadow/Ammy and MMX/Prince and we could have had two good matches in round 2.
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I JUST explained the difference.. yet you still completely ignore everyone who expressed the same thoughts and continue to say Link, Crono and Red are all similar. Please actually come up with a rebuttal to the points we brought up, rather than saying "Well Link and Crono are proven" and that's it. That's NOT what we said, we just explained why they are more popular.

And I just explained that I have heard all these differences named here between Red and Link/Crono have been brought up before against Link/Crono. How is Red different? He has no character? He's an avatar for the player? He doesn't speak? Every last one of these has been brought up before against Link and Crono. Well, I guess the "cool design" thing actually is a substantative difference between Red and Crono. But I don't think Link's design is that cool itself; it's Link that makes the design cool. In any case it wouldn't mean that Link/Crono aren't valid comparisons to Red, just that you would expect him to be weaker relative to his game than they are to theirs.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I'm upset that MMX doesn't get to face anyone who can really tell us how strong he is. I dunno, MMX is probably more SFF-resistant to Link since he had a lot of games on Playstation platforms, but we saw that Link hit him hard enough for Zack to beat him last year, so...
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

But I don't think Link's design is that cool itself; it's Link that makes the design cool.

Well, I guess in Link's case, he has cool tools. Master Sword, the shield, hookshot, etc. It's like part of the reason why Batman is so popular.
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"So cold. I am always by your side."
"There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!"

You could at least rebuttle my claim about LoZ/CT being about Link/Crono while RBY is about the Pokemon.

Also if Link/Crono are so similar why aren't they the same strength?
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you know, for as hostile as this topic is about Red, there's only like three people taking him to beat MMX. he's got a pretty clearly defined path, with his r1 match being more debatable than his r2 one.

I think we can safely drop this one since no one's going to budge.
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xyzzy

Why not just say Red's ceiling is .01% higher then Link then? That way, your argument can be something equally as crazy, but at least makes sense. Saying his ceiling is Crono and comparing the two characters just doesn't make any sense whatsoever because they're nothing alike. Even Crono says "..." in his game a couple of times...

Because RBY and CT are very close in strength of course, and OOT is way stronger than either. If you argue that Crono is Red's ceiling, you're saying that if everything goes right for Red, he will be as popular with the RBY fanbase as Crono is with the CT fanbase. If you argue that Link is Red's ceiling, you're saying that if everything goes right for Red, he will be way way way more popular with the RBY fanbase than Link is with the Zelda fanbase.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I think we can safely drop this one since no one's going to budge.

How often do we budge on anything?
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How is Red different? He has no character? He's an avatar for the player? He doesn't speak?

What does Red do in his games that could make people like him in the same way they like Link or Crono? Being a silent character isn't a reason here.

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You could at least rebuttle my claim about LoZ/CT being about Link/Crono while RBY is about the Pokemon.

It's about the Pokemon Trainer who trains the Pokemon.. the Pokemon are his tools of war. It's like saying Zelda is about the inventory.

or maybe not quite like that. But the actual driving force of whatever little bit of plot there is is the trainer. He's making the decisons, he's capturing the Pokemon, lording himself over them. He is the dominant one. The Pokemon are fun and exciting, but they'd all be off crapping in the woods if the Trainer wasn't gathering them and whipping them into shape.
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How often do we budge on anything?

quite a bit, I'd say. we had a pretty substantive Ryu/Dante topic a few days ago that got a lot of people to switch to Ryu.

this is just... well, the path is predefined.
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xyzzy

I agree that we should lay off Pokemon for a while a look at some of the other new characters.

Jecht/PW is worth more points than Red anyways.
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There are plenty of differences between Red and Crono/Link, many of which have already been stated.

Because RBY and CT are very close in strength of course, and OOT is way stronger than either. If you argue that Crono is Red's ceiling, you're saying that if everything goes right for Red, he will be as popular with the RBY fanbase as Crono is with the CT fanbase. If you argue that Link is Red's ceiling, you're saying that if everything goes right for Red, he will be way way way more popular with the RBY fanbase than Link is with the Zelda fanbase.

But neither of which will happen. Crono is the main character of his game. Link is the main character in all of the LoZ games. Red isn't close to being the main character in RBY. This is what you are not understanding, I believe. To say Red is equal to Crono is saying that Red represents RBY, which he doesn't. All 151 Pokemon represent that game much more then Red does. You have to play the game to understand this point I guess.
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Yeah, but those are the exceptions rather than the rule, I think. For most matches, we're pretty confident in our choice and sometimes too stubborn to change them even if we aren't. Things like Ryu/Dante are some of the few matches where people are iffy and don't really know why they picked whichever one they picked.

But this wouldn't be the first time we've argued fervently over a "one-and-done" match!
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then those other matches should probably be talked about instead of post #2541 about this stupid one point match, 3 if you're really crazy.
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xyzzy

argue about Zidane vs. Ike now
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I want to talk myself into Zidane there, but all I can think of is Ike's huge day vote and the fact that FF9 turns 10 soon.
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xyzzy

Jecht/PW is worth more points than Red anyways.

Yeah, but what do you say about Jecht/PW? We have absolutely no poll data on Jecht other than the vote-in. I guess it's a more worthwhile match to debate, but there isn't a whole lot to say. I guess we can speculate pretty well on it.

Well, let's see...Based on the 2006 stats (which are admittedly pretty unreliable especially when you cross between the male and female brackets), Rikku gets 62.75% on Phoenix Wright. PW seems to be stronger nowadays than he was back then, but was that due to the format? It's possible that Jecht gets Kuja'd (meaning, he shows up in the game too late and his popularity suffers as a result) and bombs horribly, but I can't see him falling below Sin, who nearly beat Robotnik. Of course, Robotnik looked like crap, so who knows? Jecht is impossible to separate from Tidus because of their relation, so I don't think he'll get Kuja'd in that regard since he's spoken of frequently throughout the game even though you rarely see him.
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Ike has a day match.

Though Zidane getting 22.5% on Link is pretty good and I wouldn't be surprised if Zidane made a match out of it.
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I would argue that Phoenix Wright is weaker nowadays because his fad isn't as big as it use to be.
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