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From: consolefreak | #249
I'd consider Squall's 49% on Sonic with Sora dragging him down to be at least on a par with Auron's 54% on Sonic

You're forgetting the next match where Sora was taken out of the poll and Squall STILL gets less than 49%
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Considering Liquid went from 45.5% to 52.5% on Luigi after adding Bowser to the poll, I'd consider Squall's 49% on Sonic with Sora dragging him down to be at least on a par with Auron's 54% on Sonic, who, if anything, had some smash support sapped by Sandbag (yes, I realize this is a longshot).

You do know this could be easily countered by looking at the next round where Squall doesn't have Sora in the same match.
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Though I do agree that Auron may break 48% on Squall, but until I see the first two rounds of this contest I don't think he'll have the strength to get over the hump.
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Sonic, who, if anything, had some smash support sapped by Sandbag

This isn't even that far-fetched. Sega has been Nintendo's ***** for over a decade now (only the most insane of Sega fanatics deny it at this point), and Sonic is becoming more and more a Nintendo character with each new game. The average age of this site has remained fairly static (Board 8 is filled with old people and is becoming a rather isolated community these days; we're pretty much LUE Lite), so people are slowly coming to where they only see Sonic as being on Nintendo consoles.

Getting packaged into two terrible (and I emphasize TERRIBLE) games with Mario was the best thing to happen to Sonic since the Genesis days. Think of how absurd this would have sounded in 1994, when Sonic 3 was released. 15 years later, Sonic has to ride Mario's coattails to retain any relevance at all because his own exclusive games are seen as a joke. It doesn't even matter that Brawl and Olympics were both bad, either; all casual kiddies see is "SONIC AND MARIO TOGETHER AT LAST", and sales followed suit.

So no, a heavy Sonic/Nintendo overlap on this site isn't at all out of the question. I'm too lazy to look up every match, but I'm willing to bet every single match where Sonic Team looked like crap in a 4way can be blamed on sharing with a Nintendo character.
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Someone in there I'm supposed to say how Board 8's being older is why we get so shocked when the rest of GameFAQs or a contest poll doesn't match our own tastes. It isn't even about losing a contest match to casuals anymore; it's "Where are all these dumb kids voting from and why do they play these overhyped 360 games?".
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Pokemon's the perfect example of that. Most people (well, if not most, at least the ones who were vocal about it) in this topic hadn't played RBY, and couldn't believe it was a legit top 10, probably top 5, game.
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Well there's Sonic 2007 where I'm positive that he would have lost to Squall AND Sora if it wasn't for the Brawl announcement and Shadow in round 1 of 2007, but he did look even worse when Bowser was added next round.
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I'm sure Sonic would've lost to Squall anyway come Round 4 had it not been for L-Block, not to mention Kirby would've shown us the upset a year earlier.
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Pokemon is a bad example. I'm pretty sure the playership rate of that game is higher here than the rest of GameFAQs.
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Someone in there I'm supposed to say how Board 8's being older is why we get so shocked when the rest of GameFAQs or a contest poll doesn't match our own tastes. It isn't even about losing a contest match to casuals anymore; it's "Where are all these dumb kids voting from and why do they play these overhyped 360 games?".

I should mention that I expect western characters to perform much better in this contest than they have in the past.
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Based on the discussion the day before RBY/MM, I seriously doubt that. Several regulars said they hadn't played it, and the playership site-wide is probably pretty high. I know I haven't played it for more than 5 minutes for what it's worth, although I've played vastly fewer games than the average Gamefaqs voter, much less the average Board 8 poster, so that's not surprising.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Wait, aren't you the one who thinks Red's ceiling is Crono?
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Yes I am. It has nothing to do with Pokemon fanboyism, as I am not a Pokemon fan.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

But if you have played the game you would know that Red is nothing like Link and Crono.
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He doesn't have to be a copy of Link or Crono. I mean, Link and Crono are quite different characters too. Red just needs to be likable, and someone you build emotional ties to when playing the game, which from talking to people, he seems to be.

Besides, I put Crono as his ceiling. If I really thought Red was RBY's equivalent of Crono, I would have put Crono as the middle of Red's range and his ceiling even higher. I'd take Crono with probably something like 56-58% in the Oracle if they had a match.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

someone you build emotional ties to when playing the game, which from talking to people, he seems to be.

lol
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
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Whatever. This topic's intuition about Pokemon has been wrong a staggering number of times, so I'm not going to pay it any heed.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

No, I'm on your side in the Pokemon debate. I've been a Pokemon fan my entire life, and would have picked RBY completely correctly last year if it wasn't for that other Pokemon game LFFing it against MGS in round 1.

I don't really know who you're asking when you're talking about Red, but I guarantee you most of the fanbase calls Red "Ash" and has no idea that they're wrong. He's insignificant in the Pokemon universe. He's like the Christopher Robbin in the Winnie the Pooh franchise. Yes, he's known, but he's nowhere near as strong as every other character from that series. To say that his ceiling is Crono is absurd.
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err, round 2 I should say. >_>
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From: charmander6000 | #260
Someone in there I'm supposed to say how Board 8's being older is why we get so shocked when the rest of GameFAQs or a contest poll doesn't match our own tastes. It isn't even about losing a contest match to casuals anymore; it's "Where are all these dumb kids voting from and why do they play these overhyped 360 games?".

I should mention that I expect western characters to perform much better in this contest than they have in the past.

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Whatever. This topic's intuition about Pokemon has been wrong a staggering number of times, so I'm not going to pay it any heed.

Besides the games contest I don't see the board being that wrong about Pokemon and even then RBY's support was fairly split against MM.

Also like the weatherman people seem to remember the times the topic was wrong rather than the many more times the topic is right.
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Ok, sorry then, and you're probably right that my personal anecdotes shouldn't mean that much. I should have looked at your sig.

But outside of the few people I've asked, there's also some reasoning to this. The 151 pokemon make up pretty much the ultimate ensemble cast, and we know from other games that being from an ensemble cast can severely impact your strength. Red, however, does not have this problem as the sole protagonist of the game. With so many pokemon, players are going to use different sets of pokemon and are going to have different favorites. But everyone who played RBY plays as Red. From what I know, this is a real role-playing role, especially as Red probably wasn't that different from most players of RBY at the time they played it, and that kind of thing where you really put yourself in the protagonist's boots- that kind of thing is the best for building emotional ties, I think.

People have leveled the same complaints against Link and Crono, saying they are generic or bland or whatever, but the contests have shown that the vast majority of the site does not think this way. I know I've made this comparison a lot recently, but Red vs. Pokemon #X feels like a Crono/Magus situation. The silent majority supports the silent protagonist. Red is the subject of RBY, and the Pokemon are the objects......very important objects, sure, but still objects, just as Magus is very important to the story of CT, but its subject is indisputably Crono.

But the primary thing for me is the ensemble cast issue. With 151 pokemon, it seems it'd be very difficult for one of them to be stronger than the main character. I do think Red's range is huge, so it's not like I really expect him to be up there with Crono. Red > MMX I know is an upset special type pick- the kind of thing you take because it's fun and very few other people are doing it. If Red goes and loses to Ocelot or something, this topic can laugh at me for a long time.
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With 151 pokemon, it seems it'd be very difficult for one of them to be stronger than the main character.

Red isn't the main character though. He's just there. He's like the cursor icon in Diablo.

You'd have to play the game to understand. People play the game to collect all the pokemon or create the strongest team. Like I said, Red is so unmemorable and un-important that many of the RBY fanbase still call him Ash. I know that I've never once called him Red in my game just because I grew up with him being called Ash.
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oh man are we getting back into the red hype? seriously?

the pokemon hype is getting out of hand
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Except that Red/Pokemon X doesn't feel like a Crono/Magus situation. Sure Red would probably win over a great majority of the Pokemon, but I don't see him competing with the likes of Pikachu, Mewtwo and probably Charizard.

Red also has the problem of being a nameless vessle. While many RPGs allow you to name your characters most people at least acknowledge the default name. Red on the other hand has three choices and I'm positive that almost everyone makes up their own name. In the Pokemon world Red is probably closer to Peach in terms of comparison to the series than Mario.
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Crono is also the most kickass member of your party. That kind of helps.

Red... well... doesn't do anything
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red is just an avatar for the player. and we've seen how other avatars you can name yourself have done...
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RBY isn't designed for giving players emotional attachments to the main character that much. Not as much as CT or Zelda.

GSC completely changed that. Not so much for its own main character, but for Red.

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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #278
red is just an avatar for the player. and we've seen how other avatars you can name yourself have done...

What? Every avatar we've seen has done fine in these things.

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GSC completely changed that. Not so much for its own main character, but for Red.

It's some guy in a cave at the end of the game. I see that as no different to his strength than the Kanto gym leaders being added.
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Before the arguments start maybe we should define what an avatar character is.
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You do realize that fight is considered the best moment in the entire series by virtually everyone who has played GSC? It's not 'some guy in a cave', it's you, except now he has a name, and he's got all the starters, and they're 20 level stronger than you ect. There are definitely some points to concede on Red, but his fight in GSC being unmemorable is blatantly false.

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From: KamikazePotato | #280
What? Every avatar we've seen has done fine in these things.

tell me an avatar you name and play "your story" from their eyes thats done well?

oh hey there commander shepard
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Maybe a worded it wrong, but it still stands as him being only slightly stronger than gym leaders.

Also there's the point of people not playing that far in GSC.
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Commander Shepard exceeded expectations. There's only so strong he can be considering Mass Effect's limited fanbase on GameFAQs (didn't even make the Games Contest).

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From: KamikazePotato | #286
Commander Shepard exceeded expectations. There's only so strong he can be considering Mass Effect's limited fanbase on GameFAQs (didn't even make the Games Contest).

it did actually
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Which shows just how well it did if I can't remember it!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3477

yeah

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You're forgetting the next match where Sora was taken out of the poll and Squall STILL gets less than 49%

SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE

Seriously though, there has to be some explanation for that because it's obvious that Squall and Sora affect one another to some degree. Plus, Sonic had been announced for Brawl like a month before those two matches with Squall. It's not unreasonable to believe that Squall wins both of those matches if not for the Brawl announcement. Yes, I know he was actually IN Brawl when he faced Auron, but we've had the Brawl Deboost discussion enough around here that I don't think I need to address it.

And I've only played one Pokemon game (Blue), and I can tell you that I didn't give a rip about the guy I played as. I didn't even know he had a name. Red is different than Crono and Link. For one, you actually USE Crono and Link in battles, and secondly, they actually have SOME interaction with other characters and the world around them, even without having any spoken dialogue. From what I remember of Blue, the main character never spoke to anyone and never had any sort of interaction with anyone, even non-verbal.
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Anyway,

Maybe a worded it wrong, but it still stands as him being only slightly stronger than gym leaders.

Blue's Team (penultimate battle):
- Pidgeot lv.56 (Normal/Flying) – Wing Attack, Quick Attack, Mirror Move, Whirlwind
- Alakazam lv.54 (Psychic) – Psychic, Reflect, Disable, Recover
- Rhydon lv.56 (Rock/Ground) – Rock Slide, Earthquake, Fury Attack, Sandstorm
- Gyarados lv.58 (Water/Flying) – Hyper Beam, Hydro Pump, Twister, Rain Dance
- Exeggcutor lv.58 (Grass/Psychic) – Solarbeam, Egg Bomb, Sunny Day, Leech Seed
- Arcanine lv.58 (Fire) – Flamethrower, Extremespeed, Swift, Roar

Red's Team:
Synopsis:
- Pikachu lv.81 (Electric) – Thunder, Thunderbolt, Quick Attack, Charm
- Espeon lv.73 (Psychic) – Psychic, Swift, Mud-Slap, Reflect
- Snorlax lv.75 (Normal) – Body Slam, Snore, Rest, Amnesia
- Venusaur lv.77 (Grass/Poison) – Solarbeam, Giga Drain, Sunny Day, Synthesis
- Charizard lv.77 (Fire/Flying) – Flamethrower, Wing Attack, Slash, Fire Spin
- Blastoise lv.77 (Water) – Surf, Blizzard, Whirlpool, Rain Dance

So wrong on that account.

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Also there's the point of people not playing that far in GSC.

Considering the game got close to Metal Gear Solid and exploring the old RBY world was a big selling point, not too worried about that.

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I think a lot of Red's power also depends on the pic he gets. If he gets some artwork where he resembles Ash then I see him doing very well.
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So wrong on that account.

I mean character strength. In GSC and before any SFF Red would barely win against the more famous gym leaders

Don't act like I've never played a Pokemon game.
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Considering the game got close to Metal Gear Solid and exploring the old RBY world was a big selling point, not too worried about that.

Exploring Kanto =/= fighting Red.
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I think a lot of Red's power also depends on the pic he gets. If he gets some artwork where he resembles Ash then I see him doing very well.

If he gets a Brawl pic then he's screwed

Maybe I should combine my posts better. >_>
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Oh man Brock and Misty both appeared in the games before they did the anime so technically we can nominate them right? How has nobody figured this out before?
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Red is a test, if he does well expect Brock next contest.
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I'm pretty sure there was some sort of Brock rally this year.
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There was, but Jigglypuff, Red and Charizard were the board's priorities. All that's holding Brock back next contest is Red's performance here.
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That Snorlax was the devil if you didnt have a fighter.
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