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Nintendo ladder IMO

Zelda
Mario
Metroid/Pokemon
Star Fox
Kirby
Fan Favourite Smash Characters
Others
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I don't think anyone expected Mario to SFF Zelda, the people that took Knuckles > Zelda thought that LFF would be the cause of her loss.
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yeah if Zelda is such a leech, she'd be destroyed by Mario, but she actually got around expected.

I take Zelda no problem.
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See, I don't really agree with the idea that SFF ranking goes by series. For Nintendo, Link is obviously #1, but I think #2 on the SFF ladder is Mario and not any Zelda character. I think SFF strength goes by character strength most of all, and then various intangible factors that may be unique to each matchup. Series strength......maybe to a very limited extent.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

While character strength may play a role Mario failing to SFF Zelda or Samus failing to SFF Ganondorf shows how resistant Zelda characters are.
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If they took Knuckles > Zelda expecting only LFF, they were dramatically overestimating the effect of LFF. I always thought it was a pretty bad pick, as the gap between Zelda and Knuckles was big enough to you had to expect Mario to SFF her some AND not hurt Knux much also.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I took Zelda > Knuckles just because SFFing Zelda without being Zelda related made no sense to me, and statistically speaking, it seems like she barely budged.

I don't see why Kirby would be any different.
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Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

There's a reason why so few people took the upset pick.
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Well, there's a difference between resisting SFF in a 4-way and winning it in a 1v1. For that matter, there's a difference between resisting SFF in a 60-40 1v1 match and dishing out SFF.

Rerun Mario/Zelda as a 1v1, and you could potentially see substantially different results as nobody will be voting Zelda to make her beat Knuckles under the assumption that Mario is safe anymore.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Personally I don't see much of a difference. When has that ever been a difference, anyway?
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Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

Well, if you want an example, Samus resisted SFF fairly well against Link, a much stronger character, in 2003 in losing 62-38. Then she got crushed with SFF by a much weaker character than Link (Mario), in a match that would have been more like 50/50 without SFF.

I know there's a lot of cases of the obvious favorite underperforming in 4-ways also.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Some mock match pics, straight from the pics topic.

Division 1
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3959/match1i.png
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8141/match2f.png
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/5694/match3.png
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8136/match4.png
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/374/match5.png
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5420/match7.png
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4322/match8.png

Division 2
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/139/match9.png
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6263/match10.png
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8595/match11q.png
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/268/match12.png
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8278/match13.png
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/6066/match14.png
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/1455/match15.png
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9128/match16w.png

Division 3
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2056/match17.png
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5101/match18.png
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4952/match19.png
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9720/match20.png (tha best)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6047/match21.png
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2192/match22.png
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6803/match23.png
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3945/match24.png

Division 4
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9234/match25.png
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1050/match26.png (also tha best)
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8718/match27.png
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3927/match28.png
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6049/match29.png
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3274/match30.png
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4271/match31.png
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6859/match32.png

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http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/6066/match14.png

haha I can't wait for this match

I had to stop and think about what the hell this was
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That's the best GlaDOS pic I've ever seen

Sad, isn't it?

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

http://www.game-ism.com/images/glados.jpg -- this is probably the best you can do
http://www.game-ism.com/images/glados2.jpg -- or this
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http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs25/f/2008/034/9/a/GLaDOS_by_kazu01.jpg
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http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3945/match24.png

lol

Advantage: not master chief
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Hmm some of them needs to be mirror-imaged so that they face each other. Not a fan of the Yuna pic.
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A Halo 1 pic for Master Chief?
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http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9234/match25.png

At 1st look I had such horrifically evil thoughts
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4271/match31.png

Sure to be an epic match
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

From: SonicRaptor | #219
A Halo 1 pic for Master Chief?

someone just wants him to do bad, obviously. I doubt Bacon would pick something like that when theres many better pictures of master chief otu there
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That's the only Mario character that looked bad and even then he only got a couple of points lower than he should have,

And then he absolutely failed to take advantage of the situation in round 2 and got clobbered by Squall AND Sora. There's not a good excuse for that because Squall > Yoshi was the majority result on the board. Yoshi couldn't do anything notable to Fox at all, and he failed to take advantage of being the stronger of the two Nintendo characters and Sora being the weaker of the two Square characters.

Plus, there's a decent difference between 44-45% expected and then getting 42% like Yoshi got on Squall. Saying he "only got a couple points lower than he should have" isn't a good excuse. When you're in the near elite category, being a couple points off is a big deal because it's a tight squeeze. Yoshi being a couple points off means he's weaker than we thought he was, and he loses to more characters than we thought he did.

This is the general assumption, but I've never really bought it, not for Ganondorf and Zelda who I see primarily as leeches.

Well, here's my question: What has Kirby ever done to prove he should be higher on the ladder than them? Nothing. Kirby lost his only two matches to Nintendites, and while they weren't bad losses by any means, he still lost. Kirby has done nothing to prove he can or should beat Zelda or Ganondorf.
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going back to that assumed top 20, kirby's placement is kinda weird, I mean kirby vs say Ryu, who ya got?
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I think I would pick Ryu over everyone in tier 4 but not over anyone in tier 3. And I miss Yoshi in that ranking as well.
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Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. KrahenProfit > Me

heck, Leon vs Pikachu 1 vs 1 well...
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Shakes Fist!

What does Big Boss get indirectly on Snake if he gets an awesome Naked Snake pic?

I'd say maybe 45%, and that would be enough to give a scare to a lot of the near-elites, also BB is one of the few strong characters that continue to receive new exposure and games.
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Gimme Leon.

Pikachu did knock out the L-Block, but the round before that he had a close one with Alucard. I don't believe for one second that he's top 20 material, and yes Mewtwo would crush him in a 1 VS 1 match.
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From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 12/22/2009 2:38:47 AM | #214
That's the best GlaDOS pic I've ever seen

Sad, isn't it?

I honestly don't know if you're making fun of my picture-making or not. I hope not, because I'm fairly proud of the job I did on GLaDOS there =/

On a better note, this Squall/Auron discussion is fascinating to me given how the winner looks clear-cut given the Ganon/Auron (2005) and Ganon/Vincent (2006) matches. BT might not be far off from Squall pulling a 55-45 here, though I surely won't be surprised if Auron makes a game of it or even wins.
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From: UltimaterializerX | #229
I honestly don't know if you're making fun of my picture-making or not. I hope not, because I'm fairly proud of the job I did on GLaDOS there =/

On a better note, this Squall/Auron discussion is fascinating to me given how the winner looks clear-cut given the Ganon/Auron (2005) and Ganon/Vincent (2006) matches. BT might not be far off from Squall pulling a 55-45 here, though I surely won't be surprised if Auron makes a game of it or even wins.

I assume he meant that the GLaDOS doesn't have any good pictures and that one that is barely recognizable to non-fans is the best possible pic that could be used.
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Use Jeigan.
http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv208/pieisthebest/meleesig.gif

Auron dazzled people with his 4 way performance
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So dante/Ryu could be closer than Auron/Squall or even Sonic/Ganondorf, though the Heart Divison is still the best for close calls.
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I said early on Sora/Bowser could be a tossup unless Frog pulls off another miracle (though it is a day match and CT's day vote is a total joke). The only reason I'm confident in Sora is he gets his ASV and Bowser has been in freefall since his combo pack of villain's contest and summer 2005 (or was it 2006? I don't even remember). If it was a night match, I'd be terrified of the upset.
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Bowser/Sora is a night match. Won't matter by more than 1%, maybe 2% though.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Oh it is a night match? Bowser has a real shot there, then. The guy always starts off *really* fast, and I don't feel as good if Sora has to rely on a morning vote to save him rather than that insane Kingdom Hearts ASV. Granted he turned an even match with Alucard into a laugher, but Alucard is (fittingly) a laugher during the day anyway. A Nintendo character could hold his own, and Sora probably needs to hope 2005 Bowser is dead to rights along with hoping KH is still going strong. Even in 2006, Bowser got 42% on Crono. This was a horrible year for Crono (he looked like complete crap in all his '06 matches), but still.

Ironically, if you guys think Auron/Sora is a tossup before SFF, it means Sora wins pretty easily based on '06 and we're just getting bored and searching for random crap to talk about.
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Better than discussing whether or not Pokemon will flop.
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This contest is going to be so refreshing after 3 years of "X may be stronger than Y, but Z will LFF X and cause Y to win."

Now all we need is for Square to announce that FFVII remake instantaneously giving Cloud a large boost from hype, so that we can hype the Cloud > Link upset for 2 months.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

People have been "hoping" that a FF7 remake gets announced since 2005. Let it go.

lawlz that's my Chief/Spy pic. Made Spy awesome and dug up a crappy pic for Chief that we've never seen before. Hey, he's still gonna win, but I'm gonna make him look bad doing it.
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And as for Sora/Bowser, I thought Sora would be back down to reasonable levels after his KH2 fueled 2006 run, but his performances against Squall seem to say that he's still up there. And given how terribad Bowser has looked since his 2005 run (apparantly a massive fluke in retrospect) I think Sora has an easy win there. Of course, it all depends on how much of an impact (if any) the day/night garbage gimmick has on the match.

From: Wii_TuRtLe | Posted: 12/22/2009 10:21:11 AM | #240
garbage gimmick

I think you're confusing the contest with every single post you've ever made.
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What Ulti said.
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I'd say maybe 45%, and that would be enough to give a scare to a lot of the near-elites, also BB is one of the few strong characters that continue to receive new exposure and games.

If Big Boss could get 45% on Solid Snake, he could give the lower end of the Noble Nine a run for their money. Sonic and Crono got 45% on him back in 2006.

On a better note, this Squall/Auron discussion is fascinating to me given how the winner looks clear-cut given the Ganon/Auron (2005) and Ganon/Vincent (2006) matches.

That might be clear cut if Ganon 2005 and Ganon 2006 were on the same level, but they aren't. Ganon was on a Villains Contest steroid boost that year.

Even in 2006, Bowser got 42% on Crono.

Why are you saying this as if it was a good performance? After 49%+ on Snake in 2005, 42% on a weaker Crono was a terrible performance.
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You of all people arguing against Squall > Auron MATHFEAR is weird.
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2k6 Crono > 2k5 Snake

But yes, 42% on Crono is definitely a big step down after 49% on Snake and 40% on Sephiroth.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

But then, Bowser > Sora was considered (and was) absolutely obvious in 2005. That's why most of us were so willing to go really hard on Megaman in 2006 when he only got 54% on Sora, while Crono got 57% on Bowser, even though Crono and Megaman ended up almost equal in the stats through Snake and Sonic. After all.....

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2123
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2116

When you do 15% better against the same opponent......
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I don't think anyone considers Sora's performance against Snake in 2005 to be legit.
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From: UltimaterializerX | #244
You of all people arguing against Squall > Auron MATHFEAR is weird.

I'm not arguing against Squall > Auron. I'm arguing against an improper application of those two matches. I don't think it's a fair comparison because those two years, Ganondorf is on two entirely different levels.

But then, Bowser > Sora was considered (and was) absolutely obvious in 2005.

Well, it should have been. Sora didn't even have KHII yet. He only got 55% on Alucard that year, after all. I'm not sure why people give Mega Man a hard time in 2006 though. Everyone who played KHII knew Sora was going to get a big boost because of how much cooler and more likable he is in it.
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On Squall/Auron, I don't see how anyone could side with Auron. I'm not saying it can't be a close match, I'm just saying that I don't understand why you would prefer Auron to take it.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3290
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2918

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3278
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3248

Considering Liquid went from 45.5% to 52.5% on Luigi after adding Bowser to the poll, I'd consider Squall's 49% on Sonic with Sora dragging him down to be at least on a par with Auron's 54% on Sonic, who, if anything, had some smash support sapped by Sandbag (yes, I realize this is a longshot).

1 on 1, Squall has always looked more impressive (Vincent=Squall > Ganondorf > Auron). This was before KH2, yes, but you could argue that KH2 would be equally beneficial to Squall than it would be to Auron.

There is also the following poll to consider (though I'll admit it's largely useless):

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2516

Those expecting FFX to SFF FFVIII, at least, may want to change their mind.

Lastly, since the last contest Auron has had nothing whereas Squall has had Dissidia and FFVIII releasing on PSN. Not the biggest boosters, sure, but they can't hurt, right? Dissida had sales of 1.5 million, btw, though this was largely in Japan.

So, I ask: why Auron?
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Snake/Sora was the perfect storm of PS2 SFF and an unreal picture advantage, and no one is convincing me otherwise.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k5/br51.jpg

If you remotely like even one thing about any MGS game, there was no way you were voting Sora in that match. One of the biggest picture advantages ever.
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