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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 768
charmander6000 | Posted 12/20/2009 9:58:11 PM | message detail |
Pfft, I had Link > Lucario as the division finals. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/20/2009 10:05:48 PM | message detail |
The Deboost is the antidote to Brawlfear. Is Kratos really that strong? I'd had him pegged as a pretty strong character, a high midcarder knocking on the doors of near-elite, until I saw that Ryu match I'd forgotten about. 43% on Ryu.......is not very impressive. Last year Kratos looked bad against Sonic, but then Sephiroth was in the poll so I'll give him the excuse of Playstation SFF or whatever. Excluding matches involving Sephiroth, the best read we get on Kratos in 2008 is the round 1 match where he gets 59% on Jill and 60% on Ocelot. In 2007, he got 39% against sprite Snake and a bit under 54% on Riku.....pretty good I guess. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/20/2009 10:08:05 PM | message detail |
That Kratos/Ryu match was before God of War 2. He's become a lot stronger since then. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 10:13:38 PM | message detail |
Excluding
matches involving Sephiroth, the best read we get on Kratos in 2008 is
the round 1 match where he gets 59% on Jill and 60% on Ocelot. And Bowser got 66% on Ocelot in the Villains Contest, for whatever you think that's worth. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2009 10:19:16 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 12/21/2009 12:51:05 AM | #046 When is the last time I jumped down anyone's throat? Besides LMS. He doesn't count since no one wants him posting here anyway. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ "Don't you think my eyebrows rock?" |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/20/2009 10:19:46 PM | message detail |
Relative to US Canada is hyping FFXIII a lot more. America seems kinda disenchanted with Final Fantasy in general these days, which seems to be part of the reason for FFVII's decrease in strength. I kind of wish we had another "Favorite FF" game poll, but I don't see that happening until after FFXIII is out. With that poll, I could rank each FF game from the best board vote to worst board vote based on how the results at the freeze, at the end of the Power Hour, and by the end of the poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as KrahenProphet, Guru Champ! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 10:19:51 PM | message detail |
You weren't the one I would have expected to do that. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 10:21:42 PM | message detail |
With
that poll, I could rank each FF game from the best board vote to worst
board vote based on how the results at the freeze, at the end of the
Power Hour, and by the end of the poll. I'm not sure if this would be the most accurate. FF in general (and especially FFVII) has a pretty bad board vote because it gets anti-voted a lot. Who do the anti-voters vote for in a poll like that? I'm not saying not to do it. I think it'd be neat to look at. I just don't think it will tell us much of anything definitive. Plus, Bacon will probably split it into the Nintendo Final Fantasy games and the Playstation Final Fantasy games again. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2009 10:23:20 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | Posted: 12/21/2009 1:05:48 AM | #052 I point to what Albion said. 2007 was Kratos's coming out party, and can you imagine his 2008 if he doesn't have to deal with the likes of Jill and Ocelot? His most recent match was giving Auron hell and almost avoiding last place. Yes it came with Sephiroth's help, but this is the same Auron that beat Sonic last year. --- "GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site." -CJayC |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 10:26:31 PM | message detail |
Yes it came with Sephiroth's help, but this is the same Auron that beat Sonic last year. Yeah, and Kratos came nowhere near Sonic at the same time. I don't know if Sephiroth had any sort of effect on Kratos, but I wouldn't be surprised, I guess. And after seeing how mediocre Riku has looked the last couple of contests, Kratos didn't do that well on him in 2007. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/20/2009 10:28:03 PM | message detail |
I
think as long as you keep Playstation characters away from him, he'll
look very good. And fortunately for him, Charizard has nothing to do
with Playstation --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 10:28:49 PM | message detail |
So Sora/Kratos SFF then? --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
RPGuy96 | Posted 12/20/2009 10:34:11 PM | message detail |
But Ryu was able to beat Auron (fairly easily) in a similar situation as Kratos was in last year. Color me unimpressed. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/20/2009 10:36:27 PM | message detail |
Regardless Kratos is probably not as strong as everybody pegs him to be. He's most likely no stronger than Ryu and the like. Even though Sephiroth has proven to SFF Auron less, the most he could be is around Ryu's ballpark. --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/20/2009 10:43:38 PM | message detail |
Plus, Bacon will probably split it into the Nintendo Final Fantasy games and the Playstation Final Fantasy games again. Maybe. I don't know if there have been any polls with more than 12 options. I've seen 12-way polls before, but I don't know what the largest poll (in the number of options) was. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as KrahenProphet, Guru Champ! |
RPGuy96 | Posted 12/20/2009 10:45:34 PM | message detail |
I'm
kinda surprised that Squall is the big favorite in the BOP. There's
certainly a good argument for him, but there's a pretty good argument
for Auron as well, most notably their matches with Sonic. Is Squall
just the consensus favorite that nobody really feels good about or is
Auron being counted out of the match? --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 10:45:38 PM | message detail |
From: RPGuy96 | #063 To give Kratos a little credit, Ryu beat Auron with Cloud's help. We saw in 2003 and 2004 that Cloud SFFs Auron harder than Sephiroth does. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 10:46:59 PM | message detail |
I
haven't seen a lot of arguments other than HaRRicH's for Squall/Auron.
Squall just seems to be a gut instinct pick. I picked Auron without
hesitation to beat Sonic last year, and I picked Squall to beat Auron
this year without hesitation. Of course, if it's anywhere within Squall's range, I'll pick him without hesitation, so that doesn't mean much coming from me. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/20/2009 10:53:19 PM | message detail |
Squall
> Auron just feels right. I think it could go either way but Squall
just seems a safer pick. Not super confident or anything though --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2009 10:56:20 PM | message detail |
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 12/21/2009 1:45:34 AM | #066 It's because Squall has gone 50-50 with Vincent 1 on 1, and Auron is no Vincent. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ Every breath leaves me one less to my last. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/20/2009 10:57:20 PM | message detail |
Vincent got 47% on Sonic. Auron beat Sonic into the dirt. I would take Auron over Vincent. it would be close. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2009 10:57:27 PM | message detail |
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 12/21/2009 1:34:11 AM | #063 3000 is fairly easily now? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2912 --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 10:59:26 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #071 Sonic beat Crono that year, too. Not quite at the same level. I would've taken Squall over Sonic last year, too, even considering the results in 2007. Obviously, there's Squall/Sora to consider in his first match with Sonic, and there's potentially Squall/Snake to consider in the second. It's hard to deny the possibility since Squall did almost nearly as well with Sora than without him. Something weird happened in one of those two matches anyway. I'm just not sure which one. I'm almost positive that, in a neutral setting, Squall could and would beat Sonic right now. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2009 10:59:32 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 12/21/2009 1:57:20 AM | #071 See this is just silly. Auron vs Ganondorf 2005: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2101 Vincent vs Ganondorf 2006: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2524 2006 was arguably Nintendo's strongest year ever, too. Vincent would get like 55% in that match. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6259/1246921928837.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 11:00:50 PM | message detail |
2006 was arguably Nintendo's strongest year ever, too. I'd argue harder for 2005. There were two Square/Nintendo matches Square won. Tifa/Luigi Sephiroth/Mario See a pattern here? --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 11:01:30 PM | message detail |
Oh, and speaking of the Crono that Sonic beat in 2006, he got 55% on Auron that year, too. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/20/2009 11:03:51 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 12/21/2009 2:00:50 AM | #075 ummmmm, boobies? --- I've been burnt so bad but I still play with fire. Sometimes naked truth is what I don't believe in. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/20/2009 11:04:51 PM | message detail |
Man, I said it would be close. I know it isn't a perfect example, I was just showing how it was debatable. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/20/2009 11:05:53 PM | message detail |
if tifa were to get erotic pics she'd win the entire thing --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 11:07:34 PM | message detail |
I
was going more along the lines of FFVII, but...Anyway, 2005 was
definitely the most one-sided year for Square/Nintendo matches. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/20/2009 11:34:58 PM | message detail |
Really
hard to compare Auron/Dante throughout the years. How strong was
Vincent in 2005 compared to 2006? DoC came out after that Squall match,
right? And Sonic 2006 is certainly not the same Sonic we've been seeing
in these four ways. Even then, I don't even know if the Sonic in 2007
benefited from Brawl somehow to evade a possible Squall upset. I guess your best bet is to ask if you'd take Auron to even be anywhere near Vincent.. ever, and so far, Auron may look like to even beat Crono. I really doubt Sonic and Crono are that much far away from each other for some reason. --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/20/2009 11:35:09 PM | message detail |
er, Auron/Squall* --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 11:43:30 PM | message detail |
How strong was Vincent in 2005 compared to 2006? Either he got stronger or Crono got weaker, or both. DoC came out after that Squall match, right? Correct. Even then, I don't even know if the Sonic in 2007 benefited from Brawl somehow to evade a possible Squall upset. Actually, this is a great point. Sonic in 2007 had Brawl hype, which probably helped him out. Remember, he got announced between his round 1 and round 2 match, and you can immediately tell a difference. Does Squall beat Sonic if he isn't announced for Brawl until after the contest? In 2008, all the hype had died down, and Sonic came back down to earth, perhaps. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
transience | Posted 12/20/2009 11:44:27 PM | message detail |
I
feel pretty good about Squall beating Auron. I think there are multiple
arguments you can make for Auron, but all of them feel dishonest or are
stretching reality. I won't be too surprised if Auron won, but Squall's
got the better resume. that said, that's a fanbase overlap so Auron doesn't have to be stronger to take it. --- xyzzy |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 11:47:02 PM | message detail |
Heh, I'm still not sure if rSFF really exists. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
transience | Posted 12/20/2009 11:48:02 PM | message detail |
it's
not even rsff, really. they're close enough that a simple preference is
all that matters. this isn't some outrageous thing like 2004 Samus vs.
2004 Mario or anything. --- xyzzy |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/20/2009 11:50:37 PM | message detail |
sucks
that Vincent went out so early. I woulda loved for Squall/Auron to face
then the winner of that match would face Vincent, so we truly know who
the strongest non noble niner FF character is but alas, Bacon sucks at bracket placement --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2009 11:55:22 PM | message detail |
From: transience | #086 I suppose you're right. I just feel like Auron's best advantage is that he comes from the more popular game, and the fact that he beat Sonic when Squall didn't. These aren't minor things, necessarily, but I don't think they're particularly strong arguments. Sonic has been all over the place the last 3+ years. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
transience | Posted 12/20/2009 11:59:41 PM | message detail |
Auron's argument is easy. FF10 > FF8 - Auron wins if they face in 2002 FF8 + KH > FF10 - Squall looks stronger than Auron from 2003 - 2005 because of this but when KH2 hit, it neutralized that advantage. now Auron is back to being in command because people like FF10 more than FF8. it's a compelling argument, but I just don't buy it. it feels unnatural. Auron has never had a match that really wowed me. don't point to that Sonic match because he went in as the underdog and got creamed. who knows with Sonic. if anything, point to the 2006 match vs. Crono - I think Squall could have outdone that and Auron hasn't had a good reason to increase since. --- xyzzy |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2009 12:02:31 AM | message detail |
Oh,
I believe Squall could've outdone what Auron did against Crono. I mean,
he practically would've done it in 2005, and he had KHII as well. Yeah,
Auron was playable (in a sense) in KHII, but Squall is still THE Final
Fantasy character in Kingdom Hearts. Auron's most impressive match ever (to me) is round 2 2007, where he killed Ryu, Bowser, and Shadow. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
transience | Posted 12/21/2009 12:05:14 AM | message detail |
yeah
I can get behind that thinking. I'd still like to know why his best
stuff is in fourways though. I see one legit match in Auron's resume
and it's the Crono one. he barely outdid pre-KH2 Squall. ehh. --- xyzzy |
ZFS | Posted 12/21/2009 12:05:40 AM | message detail |
Auron's definitely a bigger character in KH2, I think. He certainly stood out more, at least to me. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2009 12:08:42 AM | message detail |
Auron's
only role is the Underworld, which is a pretty lame world in KHII, to
be honest. Auron was billed bigger because he could actually join your
party, and he wasn't in the first game. Squall definitely has a bigger
role, and he's involved in some of the best parts of the game (Things
never go wrong at Hollow Bastion. Square just needs to make an entire
game set there). --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2009 12:09:32 AM | message detail |
Auron
was actually a party member. I remember him a bit more vividly than
Squall because of that, but Squall had that AWESOME scene where he and
Cloud took the Heartless to town. Doesn't really matter; I'm sticking with the lead character even if X is the bigger game. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
The n00b Avenger | Posted 12/21/2009 12:09:59 AM | message detail |
Auron
was beastly looking in 4 way matches. I don't know if that's BECAUSE it
was the 4-way format or not, but in 1v1 I'm going with Squall. If it
was 4 way I'd probably go with Auron --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
ZFS | Posted 12/21/2009 12:11:15 AM | message detail |
I
honestly don't remember too much about what Squall did in KH2. I know
he was there, but I can't really recall any specific scenes. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2009 12:14:50 AM | message detail |
I
remember him a bit more vividly than Squall because of that, but Squall
had that AWESOME scene where he and Cloud took the Heartless to town. This alone is better than anything Auron did. Heartless Invasion = Awesomesauce Plus, you technically got to fight alongside Squall for two fights, and you get to fight him again in the Coliseum on multiple occasions. But I'd be more inclined to remember what Squall does in KHII than a lot of people would. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
AsurasKordoth | Posted 12/21/2009 12:14:54 AM | message detail |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMW6QYcPVBY&feature=related *standing back to back surrounded by a crapton of Heartless* Leon: Think you can handle this many? Cloud: Well…Might be tough if one more shows up. Leon: Hmph. Then that’ll have to be the one I take care of. Cloud: What, you’re fighting too? --- ~AK~ // Merc |
ZFS | Posted 12/21/2009 12:17:05 AM | message detail |
But
anyway, I like Auron for some of the reasons mentioned. Squall should
be the favorite since he's seemed stronger before, but this is
definitely a match that Auron can win. If nothing else, I like Auron
here because he has a certain 'cool' factor that gets a lot of people.
Not that Squall doesn't have some of that himself, but Auron's just one
of those characters. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2009 12:22:48 AM | message detail |
From: The n00b Avenger | #095 In 2007, I was a firm believer that characters like Auron would perform better in the 4-way format because I think characters like him have more hardcore and loyal fans. He seems to, anyway, which means Squall won't be SFFing him like he did Tidus. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
