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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2009 10:10:24 PM | message detail |
From: MoogleKupo141 | #446 If it was a night match, I might be persuaded to debate Zidane, but Ike's ASV is ridiculous and FFIX's...isn't. Behold! Time | Link | Luke | Shadow | Zidane | Demographic EBV | 57.68% | 7.03% | 15.69% | 19.60% | (0:00-0:05) PHV | 60.19% | 6.94% | 14.80% | 18.06% | (0:00-1:00) FNV | 58.76% | 6.64% | 14.24% | 20.36% | (1:00-6:00) BSV | 59.03% | 6.33% | 15.22% | 19.42% | (6:00-9:00) DSV | 61.29% | 5.62% | 14.54% | 18.55% | (9:00-14:30) ASV | 61.82% | 5.87% | 16.81% | 15.51% | (14:30-22:00) SNV | 61.59% | 6.38% | 16.43% | 15.60% | (22:00-24:00) A 3% dropoff for Zidane here, which is horrendous. Time | Arthas | Ike | Pikachu | Spy | Demographic EBV | 21.21% | 25.90% | 36.06% | 16.83% | (0:00-0:05) PHV | 25.17% | 25.70% | 31.41% | 17.71% | (0:00-1:00) FNV | 29.39% | 23.20% | 31.11% | 16.30% | (1:00-6:00) BSV | 25.85% | 24.85% | 33.63% | 15.66% | (6:00-9:00) DSV | 28.12% | 24.94% | 31.93% | 15.01% | (9:00-14:30) ASV | 25.27% | 27.96% | 32.55% | 14.23% | (14:30-22:00) SNV | 25.18% | 28.79% | 32.45% | 13.59% | (22:00-24:00) A 3% jump here for Ike. Plus, back in 2007, he staged that huge comeback attempt on Duke and Gordon with the ASV in which he cut a large amount of votes from both of them despite being in 3rd. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/22/2009 10:10:39 PM | message detail |
As
people said, a main difference between Crono/Link and Red is that
Crono/Link are involved in stories that people actually care about. Do
you see Giovanni in the character battles? No, because nobody gives a
damn about the story or the villains. Whereas Ganondorf and Magus (even
Zelda and Frog!) have performed well before, because there is a story
to care about and the character you control is a big part of it. That's
why you've never seen Red either, the character in the games is weak as
hell and nobody cares about him. Yeah, you have a few fans of the
manga.. but that's it really. And the manga is separate and hardly
anybody has read it. I didn't even know it existed until I read this
topic. People say the character development doesn't matter and Link being the dominant character is proof, but if there is literally zero reason to care about the character, he won't be popular. Link is at least involved in a story that people care about (and that combined with being in the most popular franchise here doesn't hurt). --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2009 10:11:24 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #450 Looking at Board 8, I'd disagree. Plus, there's going to be a new Ace Attorney game coming out soon. I don't know if it happens before or after PW's match though. Phoenix isn't the star of it, but it may help. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:13:09 PM | message detail |
But
neither of which will happen. Crono is the main character of his game.
Link is the main character in all of the LoZ games. Red isn't close to
being the main character in RBY. This is what you are not
understanding, I believe. To say Red is equal to Crono is saying that
Red represents RBY, which he doesn't. All 151 Pokemon represent that
game much more then Red does. You have to play the game to understand
this point I guess. I don't believe we can pin down Red's strength with much confidence based on the data we have (RBY, Pikachu, Mewtwo) and personal expectations, to use Leonhart's phrase, about Red. We don't even know what exactly it is that gives Link and Crono their strength. Red being at Crono's level remains to be a possibility- a very remote one, but a possibility. Red being at Link's level is impossible, or at least close enough to it that it doesn't matter. I think I tend to have pretty wide ranges for new characters compared to most people. Personal expectations aren't useless by any means, but they carry a pretty high standard error with them, especially when you have no good analogs who have already been in a contest. And Crono may not be the best comparison, but he is a comparison, and a useful one I think. You can compare Red to Peach too, as was done earlier in this topic, though I don't think it's as good of a comparison, but you can glean information from that too. Ultimately, I think you ought to set ceiling for the protagonist of a game as strong a RBY pretty high, and the range pretty wide. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:14:23 PM | message detail |
I'm still wondering how Pokemon Trainer wasn't among the sea of Brawl characters in the previous contest. While the day scares me a bit Zidane hasn't really had a match where he could shine other than last years. I would ask Shadow/Ike, but then I remember that a lot of people are taking Ammy > Shadow. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2009 10:16:06 PM | message detail |
Ike beats Shadow. While the day scares me a bit Zidane hasn't really had a match where he could shine other than last years. He had plenty of opportunity to shine in 2007 with Ness/Liquid/Alucard, none of whom are particularly strong characters, and he finished dead last. That's partially what made last year surprising. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:16:22 PM | message detail |
Looking at Board 8, I'd disagree. Plus, there's going to be a new Ace Attorney game coming out soon. I don't know if it happens before or after PW's match though. Phoenix isn't the star of it, but it may help. It's probably meaningless, but the Wii port of Phoenix Wright is scheduled to come out in January too. That would be sometime not too long before Phoenix's match. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, KrahenProphet |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:16:40 PM | message detail |
Looking at Board 8, I'd disagree. Eh, PW 2006 > Today IMO Plus, there's going to be a new Ace Attorney game coming out soon. I don't know if it happens before or after PW's match though. Phoenix isn't the star of it, but it may help. That could help. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/22/2009 10:17:17 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 12/23/2009 1:14:23 AM | #455 It's fine, since he made this contest ;p --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ http://www.instantrimshot.com/ |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:17:34 PM | message detail |
Jecht/Phoenix is hard to talk about because we have no idea where Jecht is, really. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2009 10:17:49 PM | message detail |
Eh, PW 2006 > Today IMO I'm not entirely convinced. The fact that he actually did well enough to take the lead over Bowser overnight, LFF or not, is a pretty startling accomplishment for someone with Phoenix's resume. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2009 10:18:39 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #455 Probably because he wasn't very good, and you don't play as him. Kinda surprised we didn't see Charizard last year with that though. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:19:21 PM | message detail |
we all focused on Lucario instead because woah it's Lucario he's totally going to do great --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, KrahenProphet |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:19:21 PM | message detail |
He
had plenty of opportunity to shine in 2007 with Ness/Liquid/Alucard,
none of whom are particularly strong characters, and he finished dead
last. That's partially what made last year surprising. He was the bottom of the PS1 food chain in that match, him beating Shadow was suppose to show that, but I see the entire board is underrating the guy because of that match though Ammy did look pretty good last contest. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:21:57 PM | message detail |
Probably
because he wasn't very good, and you don't play as him. Kinda surprised
we didn't see Charizard last year with that though. When you picked the character Pokemon Trainer was the title, though I guess there could have been a split vote between the individual pokemon. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:23:21 PM | message detail |
"Pokemon
Trainer" is too generic. I like Bacon's decision to use "Pokemon
Trainer Red" actually; it captures the best of both worlds. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/22/2009 10:24:17 PM | message detail |
I
haven't seen any debate on this, dunno what you guys said about it in
past topics.What do you guys think of Kefka/Arthas? I think it being a
night match gives Kefka a real shot to be honest, even though he's been
a giant flop so many times. I'm praying he doesn't get the lettuce pic
>_> --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/22/2009 10:24:22 PM | message detail |
From: MoogleKupo141 | #463 this sounds familiar... --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/22/2009 10:25:20 PM | message detail |
From: DaruniaTheGoron | #467 night match shouldnt really help him cuz Arthas is a night character as well; And just look at the Kefka/Diablo match of 2006. By noon diablo was up 53%, winnign the night. it shouldnt be much different --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/22/2009 10:26:25 PM | message detail |
*checks stats topic* *sees 2 more pages of Red debate* uh --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:27:27 PM | message detail |
I
haven't seen any debate on this, dunno what you guys said about it in
past topics.What do you guys think of Kefka/Arthas? I think it being a
night match gives Kefka a real shot to be honest, even though he's been
a giant flop so many times. I'm praying he doesn't get the lettuce pic
>_> Diablo was able to defeat Kefka and Arthas is stronger than Diablo. Kefka needs a series of factors to go for him including a proper picture. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
transience | Posted 12/22/2009 10:28:02 PM | message detail |
I
have a hard time taking Phoenix in a 1v1. I think he's more popular now
than he's ever been, but he still needs to get 50%. I'll take the safe
bet every time there. Jecht.. well, his floor has to be Sin, right? and while Sin did laughably bad in losing to Robotnik, it did prove that it's at least not super awful. Jecht has a big range, but I think most of that range is stronger than Phoenix. that said, if you give me Phoenix, Tidus and two neutral characters, I might be compelled to pick Phoenix to beat him and Jecht flat out can't be stronger than Tidus. so who knows. I'll be cheering for Phoenix to beat yet another fourth-tier FF character. --- xyzzy |
transience | Posted 12/22/2009 10:28:27 PM | message detail |
man, we were so close to ending this pokemon crap --- xyzzy |
transience | Posted 12/22/2009 10:29:02 PM | message detail |
Arthas
is another guy I'm not sure I trust. I should, but I dunno.. he seems
like the kind of thing that would thrive in fourways. --- xyzzy |
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/22/2009 10:30:05 PM | message detail |
Hmm yeah, I forgot about that 2005 match. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
ffmasterjose | Posted 12/22/2009 10:31:37 PM | message detail |
Whoa Leon's post at the top of this page (50 posts per page) made me switch from Zidane to Ike. Can't believe I overlooked that. It's not that I trust Arthas, it's just that I don't trust Kefka, at all. Never trust Kefka if you're unsure. --- Submit your entry for The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VIII contest!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/cb8_entry.html |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/22/2009 10:32:01 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 12/23/2009 1:26:25 AM | #470 You have no idea how tempted I am to make a Brawl pic just to prove my point. Red has a better chance to win with it, I'm telling you. Like if you were ANYONE else but one of my best friends ever this would have been done by now. --- "Not everybody is a perfect person in the world. Everyone kills people, murder people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever." -Ohio State |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/22/2009 10:32:16 PM | message detail |
Please
we've got another 20 days of Red debate ahead of us. Neither side will
yield until the day of the match, in which case one of two things will
happen: 1. Red will bomb. Half the stats topic will talk about how they knew it all along, how any talk of Red being strong was pointless and stupid. The other half will slink away for the day, letting it blow over. 2. Red will do well. Half the topic will complain about how GameFAQs has bad taste, deflecting weeks of arguing on the wrong side. The other half will celebrate, occasionally making a snide comment. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:32:32 PM | message detail |
Jecht..
well, his floor has to be Sin, right? and while Sin did laughably bad
in losing to Robotnik, it did prove that it's at least not super awful.
Jecht has a big range, but I think most of that range is stronger than
Phoenix. Jecht's floor would be below face CATS 2006 Phoenix Wright is expected to get 65% against hybrid CATS (and if you want to compare cross contest 61.4% against Sin). That's still a lot of ground to make up. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/22/2009 10:32:49 PM | message detail |
if ryo can get 70% i na match, i think anyone is able to get 50% in a match if the opponent is weak enough --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:33:54 PM | message detail |
Well,
Diablo beat Kefka with 54% back in 2005, and Kefka's almost certainly
weaker than he was then. Arthas did beat Diablo in a 4-way in 2007, and
got around 42% against Alucard last year. I feel very confident in
Arthas, probably more confident than I should feel, but this is Kefka
after all. He'll find a way to lose and go below his expectations while
he's at it. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/22/2009 10:34:02 PM | message detail |
I
actually think Red will bomb, but he can bomb and beat Ocelot anyway.
Best he can hope for is one win, because MMX is out of the question. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,. http://img.imgcake.com/mjpop.gif |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:34:54 PM | message detail |
Half the topic will complain about how GameFAQs has bad taste Why would half the topic complain about bad taste, I think most of us like Pokemon. I'd say we would be more shocked than anything. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/22/2009 10:35:14 PM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #482 this is why i dont get why there is so much debate about red. there isnt potential for a zack type of run, so who cares. its only 1 point even if he does beat ocelot, since he aint getting past X regardless of how strong you think he is. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/22/2009 10:35:27 PM | message detail |
I think most of us like Pokemon. Are we in the same Stats topic? --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/22/2009 10:35:57 PM | message detail |
You're telling this to the same people that filled 7 topics during the Kefka/Vercetti match. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
transience | Posted 12/22/2009 10:36:11 PM | message detail |
Red
supporters can gloat if he beats X. I encourage them to, because quite
honestly we deserve it if it happens. we've trashed this dork for the
better part of the bracket period. Jecht beats Sin, there's no two ways about it. --- xyzzy |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:37:22 PM | message detail |
I
actually think Red will bomb, but he can bomb and beat Ocelot anyway.
Best he can hope for is one win, because MMX is out of the question. I think the debates have reached a point where that won't be possible. Red would have to lose to Ocelot to bomb in some people's eyes while he would have to fail to break 40% for him to bomb in my eyes. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
transience | Posted 12/22/2009 10:38:34 PM | message detail |
agree with char there. we'll need Red with under 40% for me to consider it a bomb. Red should win just because he's going up against a guy that lost to a mouth. --- xyzzy |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:38:41 PM | message detail |
Are we in the same Stats topic? Who here hates Pokemon? At worst people are indifferent to the game. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/22/2009 10:38:50 PM | message detail |
From: ffmasterjose | #476 Yeah same here, at first I was like hmm Ike's opponents weren't THAT good.. but Zidane's were pretty meh too. And that ASV vote for Ike was more insane than I remembered. And yes, distrust for Arthas is a big reason I didn't go with him. He doesn't seem that much stronger than Diablo, and in 2005 Diablo kinda had a beastly year. The villains contest isn't reliable at all. And while Kefka does flop a lot, he's pretty consistent in lol xstats, and getting Knuckles under 60% isn't TOO bad especially with that picture. Losing to Vercetti is pretty bleh though, and you can't blame the pic. **** it, I'm staying with Kefka. Gotta have a few upsets in there to change things up. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/22/2009 10:38:54 PM | message detail |
oh god, I can see it now Instead of the debates being 'Will Red bomb', they will be 'Did Red bomb' Wonderful --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/22/2009 10:39:32 PM | message detail |
Kefka over Arthas certainly could happen, but really, since when has banking on Kefka ever worked? Seriously, name one time. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:40:56 PM | message detail |
Vincent/Dante was probably the closest thing where both sides could claim a tie. Dante was able to lead and while Vincent won it wasn't by 60% like the Vincent supporters suggested. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/22/2009 10:41:16 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 12/23/2009 1:39:32 AM | #493 KEFKA > PAC-MAN BABY --- "Final Fantasy XI is a bad game that no one should care about for any reason." -FFDragon |
transience | Posted 12/22/2009 10:41:40 PM | message detail |
Pac-Man you know, the same Pac-Man that beat Ocelot --- xyzzy |
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 12/22/2009 10:41:58 PM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #495 **** YEAH! --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:42:13 PM | message detail |
Under
40%......wow, that would make him weak indeed. I'm quite ready to give
up on Red > MMX if he fails to get mid-60s against Ocelot. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2009 10:42:31 PM | message detail |
you know, the same Pac-Man that beat Ocelot Pac-Man > Red --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/22/2009 10:42:34 PM | message detail |
Ocelot > Red --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ "WHAT'S THE MATTER, SCARED??" |
