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Ryu/Dante playing second fiddle to Squall/Auron
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"My freedom was forfeit long ago!"

Yeah, Luigi's looked like the strongest member of that trio since 2006. I'd be interested in a rematch between him and Yoshi, or between Yoshi and Bowser.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
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Capcom superior to Square
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Red/MMX beats both of those.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Yeah, I'd be interested to see how Yoshi/Bowser goes nowadays. They both looked awful last year. I'd probably still side with Bowser, but I don't know why.
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

Ryu/Dante tag team better than Squall/Auron!

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Red/MMX more like boring Ulti-style blowout
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Bowser has become more and more pathetic-looking in the Mario games, and Yoshi has become increasingly irrelevant, while Luigi still keeps getting large roles and is pretty damn notable in stuff like Galaxy and NSMBW. I'd probably consider Luigi > Bowser and Yoshi now.

Hell, Luigi seems to be one of the few major Nintendo characters who's not dropping. Well, I guess it's half and half really, since Kirby and Pikachu have been damn impressive as well, and Link's as beastly as ever.
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Lionheart + Drunken Ronin = No chance for Dante and Ryu
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Yeah, a blowout by Red! Now Megaman/Red- there's a close match!
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

More like ZackFAQs/Mega Man a close match
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

Ulti-style blowout? more like a Kerrigan-style blowout.
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xyzzy

I don't have Red making it past Ocelot.

Yeah, I wouldn't pick the RBY protagonist over Pac-Man or Kefka.
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Not Wylvane

Speaking of Mega Man...is anyone still of the option that X might actually be stronger than the original? Last year's matches were inconclusive because his matches were riddled with SFF and Mudkips, but I suppose it's possible.
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From: transients | #363
Ulti-style blowout? more like a Kerrigan-style blowout.

I say Ulti-style not out of respect for Red but because I'm not really convinced MMX is really that close to Mega Man in strength.

Well, I shouldn't say not that close, but...

Well, Luigi vs. MMX, who you got? I got Luigi.
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

Give me MMX there.

I don't think he'll have much trouble ripping into Red.

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Just you wait. The pokemon will flatten your favorite characters and your brackets with their single-word vocabularies, and with the power of pure silence, Red will be stronger than them all!

Forget big swords, or flashy magic, or character development, or any of those things you thought made characters popular. It's all about the silence!
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Eh, I'd probably go with X. I think X is weaker than Mega Man, but still pretty high up there, and I don't think Luigi has reached his level yet.

Then again, I don't know where the hell X really is, so yeah.
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I think we should have our analyzes as videos or a giant voice/cam chat from now on lol.
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THAT FREAKING COLTS DEFENSE FOUND ANOTHER WAY TO WIN, BABY!

14-0, yessssssssss
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From: KleenexTissue50 | #365
Speaking of Mega Man...is anyone still of the option that X might actually be stronger than the original? Last year's matches were inconclusive because his matches were riddled with SFF and Mudkips, but I suppose it's possible.

I'd take X in a direct match. Indirectly, I can't think of any opponents where I'd only give one of them the win/loss.
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I'm hoping Luigi outperforms even one of Mario's performances against Link.

Longshot, but damn if that wouldn't be awesome.
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Not Wylvane

X beat Zelda but I guess that's not saying a lot with Mario also in the poll (but who SFF's Zelda outside of Zelda?).
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I dunno about X. How much credit are you willing to give Mudkip? Because he broke 40% on X, and still broke 38% with Mario and Zelda there.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

I pick Luigi in any match he can plausibly win (and many he cannot!) and I'd go with X there.

X managed to get perilously close to Mario with Zelda around, closer than Samus with Luigi around, and further than Samus with Link around. There's an SFF lesson to be learned there for sure, but X is no chump.
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Mudkip's a joke who came quite close to beating Luigi and Ganondorf. Let's look at, say, Lloyd instead.

Lloyd got 27% on X. A year earlier, HK-47, who just managed to beat Lloyd, got 27% on Crono.

Granted that was the match where Crono looked ridiculously awful compared to Zero for reasons that I do not understand, but, again, X is not a chump.
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Well let's try to look at Dante/Ryu in depth, we'll start with the contest after the release of Devil May Cry 3 since Ryu was obviously stonger back then.

2005: Well Ryu choked hard to Bowser while Dante put up good numbers against Vincent though overall Advent Children gave the Devil Division an extra boost in the final x-stats.

2006: Ryu bounces back, Yoshi barely defeats Dante while doing well against Solid ****, if you keep Dante constant with Squall that gives Dante a 52% win over Ryu, but Squall also had Kingdom Hearts II so I would call that match too close to call.

2007: Ryu gets his revenge on Bowser and ultimately gets crushed by three noble nine characters. Dante pulled of two impressive wins against weak characters before choking with Leon against the rat. He then took on Steroid Chief and lost in the semi-finals.

2008: Ryu loses to L-Block in the first round and while he ultimately gets shown up by Pikachu 42.5% on Crono is pretty good. With Devil May Cry 4 Dante crushes another batch of weaklings and this time doesn't suffer any weird Dante/Leon LFF. He gets shown up by Kirby though you could blame some kind of badass LFF. In the end Dante was able to get 42.6% on Sonic, pretty close to what Ryu got against Crono.
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I just don't know what to think of Mega Man X. We really can't take anything from his matches last year because of all the LFF. I love MMX and all, but I almost feel like this is the Mega Man Classic/Mega Man X situation from the Series Contest. Blue Bomber gets the standard "I love any incarnation of Mega Man" vote, and MMX gets the, well, MMX vote. Maybe that could be a case where rSFF actually does exist, but I'd take Mega Man to beat X, I guess.

Hmmm...Luigi vs. Zelda...
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MM and MMX really should have been in a position to face each other, not sacrificed to the Nintendo gods. I'd have loved to see both fight a very tough challenger (say, someone in that Vincent/Squall/Auron/Sora area) and then duel it out in a robotic grudge match for all the marbles. Man, I love this format's potential, but so much of it is wasted with this first bracket.
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I just realized I don't have anything crazy to set my bracket apart this year. 2008 I had L-Block repeating and my backing of WCC got me on the leaderboard. 2009 had me backing Brawl to the championship, and Brawl did impress a lot though it wasn't quite at OoT/FF7's level. But this year? There's nothing to work with. I don't buy Snake > Sephiroth at all, not to mention I may be the minority here by picking Seph anyway. Obviously joke characters aren't going to cause some insane upsets, unless L-Block manages to win its division (possible but very unlikely), but even then it's not getting past Mario. And in six of the eight divisions, the #1 seeds far outshadow everyone else, leaving little room for some psychotic upsets in the final rounds.

I'm tempted to have L-Block win its division just so I can stand out, even though I have no faith in it getting past Kratos/Charizard. Maybe inspiration will strike and I'll find a very odd character that I can convince myself will kick ass. Like I did in the early contests, when I had Luigi winning the 2003 contest and Melee over FF6 as the 2004 Games Contest finals.
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though overall Advent Children gave the Devil Division an extra boost in the final x-stats.

I thought this theory died in 2006. The only people in the Devil Division who were overrated are Magus and Knuckles, and time has only proven that. Knux got bandwagoned against Squall and overperformed.

But that 46% on Vincent is one thing I don't think Ryu could ever match, honestly.
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And I'd honestly say 46% on Vincent is the best performance Dante has ever had.
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From: LeonhartFour | #379
Hmmm...Luigi vs. Zelda...

Tough one. I'd probably go with Zelda there.

From: PartOfYourWorld | #380
Man, I love this format's potential, but so much of it is wasted with this first bracket.

Agreed. The format's a great idea, but this bracket sucks. So many potentially interesting characters are wasted. Crono/Missingno, really? Feeding Vincent to Sephiroth in Round 2 when he could be fighting Crono, Sonic, or Mega Man? Wasting wildcards like Pikachu by putting them in a set path?

This bracket is ****ing crap.
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Not Wylvane

A lot of characters look wasted in this bracket, but I have the feeling one of them is going to shock us and do something great.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Missingno wasn't going to do anything anyway. People are making too much of that vote-in poll.

But the thing that kinda irritates me is that Bacon doesn't seem to have a complete grasp of SFF/LFF, and I don't know if he pays attention to previous brackets when making brackets because he makes a lot of bad rematches. I guess Dante/Leon is Bacon's version of Snake/Knuckles.
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
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I thought this theory died in 2006. The only people in the Devil Division who were overrated are Magus and Knuckles, and time has only proven that. Knux got bandwagoned against Squall and overperformed.

But that 46% on Vincent is one thing I don't think Ryu could ever match, honestly.

Let's take a look at the characters from that division

1) Dante - Loses to Yoshi, does okay against Hayabusa
8) Terra - Crushed by Zelda

4) Kerrigan - Faced Terra
5) Vincent - Doesn't count since the boost was about him

3) Magus - Did not show
6) Knuckles - Did not show

2) Squall - Did expected against Snake despite KHII
7) Geno - Did not show

It only takes a small drop to turn a 52% into a 50%.
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Maybe he's just a stringent man of the people and will go by nomination tallies no matter what.
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Maybe he's just a stringent man of the people and will go by nomination tallies no matter what.

Considering the seeding, I agree.
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I'm hoping going by nomination tallies is indeed what he did. Otherwise I can only think that he set up SFF matches on purpose, because he finds them interesting.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Maybe he's just a stringent man of the people and will go by nomination tallies no matter what.

That was my initial reaction...but there's an awful lot of rematches in this bracket. Granted we've had an awful lot of contest matches, but still...if I was slightly less lazy I'd work out the probabilities.

(Okay, if I was significantly less lazy.)
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Does okay against Hayabusa? Are you kidding? Everyone expected Dante to kill Yoshi after that performance. The loss to Yoshi was puzzling.

Terra got crushed by Dante, so what if she got crushed by Zelda? We knew she was weak.

Vincent does count. He proved his strength was legit by beating Ganondorf. Where was Cloud's AC boost?

Magus and Knuckles both looked pretty bad when they reappeared in 2007. Knuckles was considered Dante's equal. In 2007, that was clearly not the case. Magus was considered Luigi's equal. In 2007, that was clearly not the case.

And it's not fair to mention Squall "did expected against Snake" because Snake unexpectedly turned into a monster in 2006. Squall, Vincent, and Dante were still relatively close to their 2005 levels the next year. Magus and Knuckles were nowhere close. Terra and Kerrigan don't matter. They're fodder anyway. Same with Geno.
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"

Terra got crushed by Dante, so what if she got crushed by Zelda? We knew she was weak.

By crushed I mean more than she should have been.


Vincent does count. He proved his strength was legit by beating Ganondorf. Where was Cloud's AC boost?

No he doesn't why wouldn't he keep the boost he got from AC?
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From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 12/17/2009 11:26:43 PM | #383
And I'd honestly say 46% on Vincent is the best performance Dante has ever had.

And I think a lot of that was bracket votes.
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Brackets can only do so much. So best case scenario it turns a 44% match into a 46%.
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Well, if he goes strictly by nominations...Hey, how did the characters in the vote-in get seeded based on performance? Didn't he say that the final 28 were chosen by the vote-ins? That doesn't make sense. That doesn't divide evenly by 6. Where did those characters end up in the bracket and what place did they end up in the vote-in? Hmmm...

But it wouldn't be so difficult to just switch around a couple of characters with the same seed and get better matches. For example...

Switch DK with Balthier. Vivi/Balthier is an SFF matchup, sure, but I don't have a problem with it. Ryu/DK would be a squash, too, but honestly, there isn't a good 10 seed to match Vivi up with. You could switch Tifa in DK's place, but Tifa wins that easily, too. But at the same time, if you switch DK and Tifa, you get Tifa in Sonic's division, and she potentially gets a crack at the Blue Blur. That's fine by me.

Switch Knuckles with Edgeworth, and you avoid Sonic/Knuckles. You get Big Boss/Knuckles, and you get Edgeworth/Cecil. Wait, is this a good thing? Edgeworth could possibly win that, but probably not. Big Boss/Knuckles seems interesting on paper though, to me at least. Or you could switch Knuckles with Vincent, and let Vinny take a crack at Sonic in round 2.
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From: Not_Wylvane | #384
Agreed. The format's a great idea, but this bracket sucks. So many potentially interesting characters are wasted. Crono/Missingno, really? Feeding Vincent to Sephiroth in Round 2 when he could be fighting Crono, Sonic, or Mega Man? Wasting wildcards like Pikachu by putting them in a set path?

This bracket is ****ing crap.

You know what really bugs me about Vincent's placement? That swapping his match with Cecil/Knuckles not only gives us a great Sonic/Vincent match, but also gets rid of two SFF blowouts.
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By crushed I mean more than she should have been.

She wouldn't be the first fodder character that ever happened to.

No he doesn't why wouldn't he keep the boost he got from AC?

Again, I ask: Where was Cloud's boost? Where was Sephiroth's boost?

But the point is that only Magus and Knuckles were way off where the 2005 stats pegged them. Squall, Vincent, and Dante are close enough to their 2005 levels to not have to consider the entire division overrated. It's a pointless argument though, really, because we know where those characters stand now anyway.
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Well, if he goes by nominations, that works within seeds too. So Link's the most nominated top seed, Cloud's second, Seph's third, all the way down to Sora, who's last. In that case, he "can't" switch seeds around...
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I understand that, but tweaking it just a tad doesn't hurt anything. In fact, it's preferable.
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