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Actually, sorry. Alucard isn't that strong. On the other hand, Pikachu probably beats Alucard worse than 55-45 1v1, so he probably justifies his R4 performance anyway and ends up at the level of Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi or just a step below them.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

If Geno does win, then Ness has no excuse to ever show his face here again
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If Ryu > Dante 2003 didn't exist, this wouldn't even be a debated match. There is nothing else anywhere that suggests Ryu can win this. All the characters and all the games have routinely sucked in contests for years now.

I'm not sure that match even matters to most people. That's so long ago and so irrelevant today that you can't even use it as a positive or negative for either character. It's just something that happened once upon a time.

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Hey I won't be at all surprised if Ryu wins. There is a Capcom pecking order, and Ryu is higher. Call it rSFF or whatever, but Ryu can win that match even though there isn't a single logical reason for it.
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Well, the fact that Ryu has proven he can beat Dante at all is a positive for Ryu, I suppose.

But yeah, that match was nearly seven years ago now. Plus, anything before 2005 is pretty much worthless for comparison's sake due to the site shift. Really, I don't know if any comparisons are gonna be that useful.
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Leon is absolutely dead on about the games bit, too. Street Fighter games have never been top tier on GameFAQs -- it's not like FFVI, where it was once one of the strongest games that has now faded away. SFII wasn't that strong in 2k4, and it didn't do much differently in 2k9. The SF crew have always been more popular than the games, they're far more iconic and likable for most people. Honestly, most of Capcom's characters are like that. Mega Man, Ryu, Dante, Zero -- they're all much stronger than the games they come from. Leon's probably the only one who's about equal in strength to his game, or at least proportionately better.

Come to think of it we all assume Ryu/Dante's winner beats Leon, that's a gimme, but if you switched their places, and had Ryu/Leon, then what?

Ryu > Leon is an easier pick than Ryu > Dante, I think. Whoever wins in round 2 should be able to beat Leon.

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I've argued for the possibility of Square/Nintendo SFF'ing Geno in all of his matches in the past, but I never thought it would be very much...and when I saw Squall tripled Geno when Auron doubled Ness, man, I can't take any Square-SFF that seriously. When I realized Ness beat Jak and CJ worse than Geno beat Deckard Cain, I can't take any Nintendo-SFF that seriously. Even when Ness has let me down in the four-ways, he still beat Zidane nicely...I don't think Geno can beat him at all. We can also look at SSBB compared to SMRPG on the Virtual Console to seal the deal.

Big Daddy's taking Ness down though, at least in my bracket...!
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Is there any evidence at all for the Capcom hierarchy idea? The only evidence I can think of is Dante/Leon LFF, and that could just be due to how similar the audiences for their games are. I don't see how it supports Ryu beating Dante.
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We've never seen the least bit of evidence for Capcom LFF outside the Leon/Dante thing, much less a hierarchy.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

(Wow, I haven't been on this board in like a million years.)

I agree that there's something undefinable about the Ryu/Dante match that gives me pause. It doesn't smell right. Dante is the logical pick, but even before I recalled the '03 match (which was like a quadrillion years ago) it felt like this was one of those wacky match-ups that's gonna be chalked up to <insert factor here> rather than linear x-stats.

Trend-based reasoning is generally not good, but it may be applicable here. Just picture it. The match starts at noon. Snake jumps out to a big lead. Seph isn't able to stall his gains and start coming back until....1? 2? At 3 the ASV starts with Snake still in the lead, and he uses his Brawl ASV strength plus FFVII's newfound ASV weakness to pull away again. Then it's 8 PM, and Sephiroth tries once again to come back, but that period of time isn't that much better for him than Snake still, and he's running out of time. If it's close around 11, you know which side the board will take.

A day match may be helpful to Snake here. It becomes more difficult for Asians to vote for the first several hours, though Asians could still vote near the end of the match. Asia would definitely be favoring Sephiroth over Snake.

Europeans would also have a harder time voting in this poll, but most European voters would be able to vote near the start of the match. Like with Asia, Europe should be favoring Sephiroth over Snake, but not as severe as Asia would. Overall, the day match should have less European voters than the night match. I'd be surprised if the day match got over 10000 votes from Europe, while the night match should get over 10000 votes from Europe.

The only issue with the day match is more votes to work with, meaning Snake needs to build up a larger lead here than in the night match in order to hold on for 12 hours. But as mentioned before, the ASV is going to help Snake here, since Sephiroth will have the horrible ASV here.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3305&region=EUR

europe should be a non factor for what way they swing
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I think, for some people, any sort of 'Capcom hierarchy' has less to do with numbers, matches, or stats and more to do with feeling. Mega Man > Ryu > Dante > Leon is something that 'feels' right. It's nothing you could ever back up -- aside from some really, really sketchy stuff that could be strung together from all the different contests -- but it just seems like that's how it should go. In any case, Dante and Ryu are close enough together that there's enough reason to stick with your gut instead of getting overly analytical about it.

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europe should be a non factor for what way they swing

That's a bad match to go by, because Snake started getting bandwagoned in that match.
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Big Daddy's taking Ness down though, at least in my bracket...!

Good man.

And trends are going to be hard to predict, pre-contest. We won't get a good feel of them for at least the first round.
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I don't mean it that way- it's more that I don't think there is a coherent Capcom fanbase in the way there is a Nintendo fanbase or a Square fanbase. There are Street Fighter fans but they are not really more likely to be DMC fans than fans of a franchise by another company.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

You know, looking at the regions of each poll, if somebody wanted to put in the time and effort, couldn't we get comparisons of how our twelve-hour matches would probably go in full matches? I mean, if the Asian-vote is under-represented in day-matches, couldn't we take their percentages in day-polls and add more weight to them so the world-wide representation is more even? We would just need to get the average percentages of how much each location votes and we could probably adjust it pretty easily.

It still wouldn't be entirely accurate, but if these half-polls are a big game-changer, this could get us closer to the truth.
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It's hard to say that "Capcom SFF" really exists. The only real evidence we have in that regard is Leon/Dante in 2007, and there are other factors you can chalk up the weirdness of that match to.
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If Snake beats Sephiroth, he's beating Cloud. His bandwagon is gonan be huge then and people will want to see Cloud go down
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Given how close they are indirectly and how much people want to see Cloud lose, of course Snake beats Cloud if he beats Sephiroth. The real question (if you think Snake beats Sephiroth) is whether Snake gets enough of a bandwagon to beat Link if he beats Cloud.
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You know, looking at the regions of each poll, if somebody wanted to put in the time and effort, couldn't we get comparisons of how our twelve-hour matches would probably go in full matches? I mean, if the Asian-vote is under-represented in day-matches, couldn't we take their percentages in day-polls and add more weight to them so the world-wide representation is more even? We would just need to get the average percentages of how much each location votes and we could probably adjust it pretty easily.

It still wouldn't be entirely accurate, but if these half-polls are a big game-changer, this could get us closer to the truth.

I just happened to have a spreadsheet that I downloaded earlier this year that shows the average percentage of votes from each region based on the Geolocation results of the 2008 matches. It's hosted right here:

http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/08Summer/08GeolocationVotals.xls

That spreadsheet doesn't include the bonus match though. The average match in the 2008 contest had the following breakdown by region:

North America - 77.23% (77.24% if the bonus match was included)
Europe - 14.41%
Asia - 3.21%
South America - 2.43%
Oceania - 2.62%
Africa - 0.12%

North America will be under-represented in night matches and over-represented in day matches. It would be the opposite for Europe, Asia, Oceania, and Africa.
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So I thought that this year, instead of doing write-ups about contest matches, I might do webcam videos or something analyzing matches or whatever. Yes, this is a blatant ripoff of NGamer's and Bellis's idea, but mine is video, not just audio, so it's not complete plagiarism! Seriously though, I liked what they did, and I thought I might try my hand at it. Good idea? Bad idea? Would anyone watch/care? It certainly wouldn't be a 40-something minute segment like NGamer's first show was, for those of you who have short attention spans.

I was just thinking maybe just doing a minute-long blurb at most analyzing the match and giving my prediction. Like, for those of you who don't want to read walls of text of analysis (although I know there are plenty of people who still read the Crew's stuff and other people's stuff like charmander) and would rather listen to a quick blurb, good idea?

I dunno. Maybe I won't do it. I was just kinda mulling it around in my mind because it seemed like a neat idea.
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"Capcom SFF" and a "Capcom hierarchy" is stupid and incorrect. there isn't a soul out there who only plays Capcom games. they're so varied and widespread that you can't even make the comparison.

Pikachu won that Leon/Dante match because Pokemon is just weird as hell. that's why Mewtwo looks like a legit entrant one round and then bombs the next. that's why Pikachu can struggle to beat Ike and then slay the Block. and that's why Leon and Dante looked so hilarious in that one match.

now as for Ryu vs. Dante? match of the tournament. there's a lot to discuss, but something tells me that this match, along with many other matches, are going to be looked at in a totally different way when we get our GOTY voting. it probably isn't the best idea, but it's the most recent data set that we'll get and people will always use what's new and exciting.
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xyzzy

Ryu's gonna be way stronger than his games. Why? Because Ryu's an icon. Everybody knows who Ryu is. He's Pikachu or Mario or Mega Man. Leon's the "Resident Evil 4" guy and Dante's the "Devil May Cry" guy. But Ryu is Ryu. So I took him to win that pack.

Pikachu didn't win that match because Pokemon are necessarily 'weird', it won because of

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Good god.

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LOL Leon

What a horrid pic.
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yeah, I'm not taking that picture to turn people from Leon or Dante to Pikachu. people aren't going to vote for Pikachu unless they like Pikachu. Pikachu deserved to win that fourway.
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That pic is horrible for everyone involved, really. Just Leon more than anyone. Poor guy.
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I went with Ryu. I figured he'd be more recognizable and a bigger name than Dante. Plus, as others have suggested, Dante's basically a non-weak version of Kefka with all the choking and all.

Hijack time. I'm calling Sonic/Ganondorf to be the next Snake/Bowser. Humiliating match for Sonic, yet he barely squeaks by.

It's really too, too bad that I wouldn't pick Dorf > Kirby. Kind of robs the potential hilarity from the situation. Dorf over Sonic wouldn't be too unexpected since he's likely still just a tier below the likes of Squall and Auron, and it really doesn't have the randomness Kirby > Sonic had last year. I think Ganondorf has a decent shot of taking out Sonic, maybe 30%. Then again, that may just be my huge anticipation for wanting to see Sonic crash and burn.

Then again, if Luigi could take out the Dorf, who knows. Maybe we'll get Sonic vs Pig Ganon, giving Kirby a shot to pull off the awesome.
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You know what, screw it. Ryu > Dante just feels like what we'll see.
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It doesn't to me, but we'll see. Dante did practically go even with Yoshi in 2006, one year after Bowser tore Ryu apart (I am invoking the great villains year of 2K5, STOP ME LEON). If anything, it looks like Dante might be a bit above the Bowser/Yoshi/Luigi trio now, and I wouldn't take Ryu to beat any of them in a 1v1 setting.
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Ryu/Dante reminds me a lot of those Samus/Mario arguements

"But she's indirectly stronger!!"
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everyone hopping to the Ryu side seems like a big old case of overthink. we've had these before.
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Not to me. Dante feels like the intuitive choice and the stats-based choice.
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'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

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From: transients | Posted: 12/17/2009 10:48:10 PM | #334
everyone hopping to the Ryu side seems like a big old case of overthink. we've had these before.

I picked Ryu initially, the overthink was "wait, stats all say Dante!".
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What's this talk about Capcom heirarchy? The only company heirarchy is Nintendo, everything else is series base.

Ryu > Dante just feels like the right choice. There's a few picks in my bracket because it seems like the right choice.
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Dante feels like the right choice to me. I'm fighting that and wanting to pick Ryu, but I haven't found a good reason to do it yet.

to be honest, you guys aren't helping -- I was supposed to do this one alone!
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(I am invoking the great villains year of 2K5, STOP ME LEON)

*Jill slaps you*

If anything, it looks like Dante might be a bit above the Bowser/Yoshi/Luigi trio now, and I wouldn't take Ryu to beat any of them in a 1v1 setting.

Honestly, Ryu beat Bowser twice in 2007, and while you certainly have an excuse in round 1, I don't think there's much of an excuse for Bowser in round 2. Yeah, a lot of people claim Nintendo/Sonic Team LFF, but I think that was just to compensate for Shadow looking like crap (He looked like crap in the first round, too, with no Nintendo, and he looked like crap last year, though you can still blame Link. I still haven't seen any reason to believe Nintendo/Sonic Team LFF other than Shadow and I'm just inclined to believe he's weak).

Yoshi looked pretty pathetic last year, too. I wouldn't be surprised if Ryu beat him, too. Honestly, since the end of the last contest, I've started to think that Luigi is the strongest of that trio.
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I don't think picking Ryu has much to do with over thinking. If anything, it's very simple reasoning that will either prove right or it won't. There's not a lot of twisting and spinning matches and arguments to get to Ryu > Dante.

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Well, the thing is that Dante has looked better on paper than Ryu since DMC3. But you don't win matches on paper.
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wrong topic?
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From: LeonhartFour | #323
So I thought that this year, instead of doing write-ups about contest matches, I might do webcam videos or something analyzing matches or whatever. Yes, this is a blatant ripoff of NGamer's and Bellis's idea, but mine is video, not just audio, so it's not complete plagiarism! Seriously though, I liked what they did, and I thought I might try my hand at it. Good idea? Bad idea? Would anyone watch/care? It certainly wouldn't be a 40-something minute segment like NGamer's first show was, for those of you who have short attention spans.

I was just thinking maybe just doing a minute-long blurb at most analyzing the match and giving my prediction. Like, for those of you who don't want to read walls of text of analysis (although I know there are plenty of people who still read the Crew's stuff and other people's stuff like charmander) and would rather listen to a quick blurb, good idea?

I dunno. Maybe I won't do it. I was just kinda mulling it around in my mind because it seemed like a neat idea.

They mentioned adding video in the future. Why not just ask to hop in as a 3rd commentator on theirs? More people mean more opinions. I mean uhhh...

Theat Topic Series is currently Under Invstigation and I have no comment about it at the current time.
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That sounds about right.

Dante wins because Dante is cooler.
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I've started to think that Luigi is the strongest of that trio.

Aw yeah.

Really, he beat Ganondorf (okay, Bacondorf), and the rat, and Kirby, and Bowser. He could well be the strongest Nintendo character outside the big 3.
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and really who can vote for dante over this no one http://i47.tinypic.com/2rhb9ep.jpg


(Ryu/Dante more like finals match instead of round 2)

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Well, I don't want to be pushy. If NGamer is willing to invite me, that's fine, though I don't really see why he would. I'm not really anything special.

And you're ngirl, not Ng.
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