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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 766
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 3:23:11 PM | message detail |
From: FFDragon | #249 Absolutely, but it's been three years of looking like a ***** while Snake has had three years of looking like an overperforming stud. Seriously, this entire board has been burned THREE YEARS IN A ROW by not taking Snake far enough. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:23:24 PM | message detail |
From: FFDragon | #249 Aren't all three of those attributable into running face first into the Cloud SFF buzzsaw though? At least two are (Battle Royale and 2008), I forget exactly what the matchup was in 2007. I'm sure Cloud was involved though. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 3:23:33 PM | message detail |
on yoblazer, on the Tidus/Sub match...would you take Tidus over MC? heck MC/Ryu hayabusa is hard enough to choose from as it is. --- Shakes Fist! |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:23:55 PM | message detail |
It's
a day match, and only 12 hours. FFVII's ASV has degenerated to the
point where Seph would probably be better served with a night match
against Snake. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:24:31 PM | message detail |
For a while Solid Snake had more support, but a last minute rush saved Sephiroth. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/17/2009 3:25:05 PM | message detail |
No
way does a day match help Snake. A night match with drastically reduced
votals, where an early push by a rabid fanbase and then just holding
out would be enough to win? Perfect scenario for Snake to win against
Sephiroth. Day...not so much. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:25:33 PM | message detail |
Snake managed to beat an unhindered Cloud in the SC2k8 finals. He's got this. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 3:25:36 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #250 its not 24 hours --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:27:15 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
you're probably right there, and that more than trends is going to be
the big thing with this 12-hour format as far as Snake/Sephiroth is
concerned. If we had a 24-hour match, Snake has a good chance of doing
better the second half of the match than the first nowadays, but it
should be close either way, so that aspect of it won't really make a
difference. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 3:28:26 PM | message detail |
you say it like Snake won't get an early rabid fanbase push in a day match --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:34:19 PM | message detail |
Trend-based
reasoning is generally not good, but it may be applicable here. Just
picture it. The match starts at noon. Snake jumps out to a big lead.
Seph isn't able to stall his gains and start coming back until....1? 2?
At 3 the ASV starts with Snake still in the lead, and he uses his Brawl
ASV strength plus FFVII's newfound ASV weakness to pull away again.
Then it's 8 PM, and Sephiroth tries once again to come back, but that
period of time isn't that much better for him than Snake still, and
he's running out of time. If it's close around 11, you know which side
the board will take. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 3:37:22 PM | message detail |
Aren't
we pushing it far, I mean would you call the recent voting trend shifts
a weakness? Maybe not as dominant as before, but surely this is pushing
it a little far. --- Shakes Fist! |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:41:26 PM | message detail |
I
guess the classic rebuttal to that is "Seph stalls Snake by 12:30,
takes the lead by 1, and wins every remaining hour in the poll." Or
Sephiroth can do what he did to Mario in 2005 and just win the very
first update. But.......somehow that doesn't seem too likely to me. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
Xeybozn | Posted 12/17/2009 3:47:20 PM | message detail |
What
makes you so sure Seph doesn't start coming back for so long? If it
were a night match I could see the night vote keeping Snake's lead, but
Snake isn't particularly strong during the day. The early vote might
not help that much either; Snake couldn't even keep the lead on Cloud
for five minutes in their first match last year. --- Congrats to KrahenProfit |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 3:54:36 PM | message detail |
Quick question Lets say that the Pikachu we see IS the old one from 2002-2003 that was antivoted to hell. Think that Banjo/Ellis/Shepard have any chance of knocking him out in that spot? Not that I'm saying I'm expecting he'll be that weak, just something I'm curious about --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/17/2009 3:56:55 PM | message detail |
I'd still take Pikachu in that case. Anything smash beats those guys really. --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 3:58:27 PM | message detail |
2002 Pikachu beat Parappa with like 55%? Banjo vs. Parappa, what a match! --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:58:59 PM | message detail |
That's why I think Pikachu is so wasted, even worst case scenario Pikachu would win against those three. You know I just realized that Pikachu goes crazy in round 3, better watch out Solid Snake. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/17/2009 4:16:32 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 12/17/2009 3:42:35 PM | #129 Yeah, I'm really agreeing with this. That Diablo/Kefka match really swayed me. I don't think even a God Kefka pic will save the clown. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ "The wheel of fate is turning." |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 4:24:58 PM | message detail |
I'll
never bet on Kefka again. He already lost to Diablo and was probably a
lot stronger (or less weak, depending on how much respect you want to
give him) back then. 2010 Kefka can't beat ****. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/17/2009 4:30:01 PM | message detail |
While
Dissidia should help Kefka somewhat, I think Arthas is a bit out of his
reach, given Arthas > Diablo. I'm more hopeful that Terra goes to
round 2. HK > Revan, and she also has had Dissidia to help her out. --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 4:40:02 PM | message detail |
But Darth Revan might get a good pic, and Kotor ain't exactly fodder. --- Shakes Fist! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 4:55:07 PM | message detail |
I
would sooner take Dante over Auron then Ryu over Dante. Dante is just
on another level, and everything points to it. There's absolutely
nothing to suggest Ryu wins there. I remember thinking and probably saying this in 2006 in regard to Dante/Yoshi. Dante looked better than Yoshi in every possible regard, and he still lost. I remember hardly anyone here thinking that Kirby would beat Dante, and he did, twice. I remember a lot of people thinking Dante was out of Kirby's range. Well, he wasn't. And don't forget the match where Pikachu beat him. Dante seems like one of those really popular characters who, for whatever the reason, just can't seem to beat a really well known character. I don't know what causes it, but he just can't seem to get it done. Like yo said, when has Dante ever won a big match? What's his best win? Tails? Ryu Hayabusa? And I get tired of people bringing up SFIV as evidence that Ryu sucks now and won't do anything. I thought we knew better than to bring up games when talking about character strength. Yes, there is some sort of connection, but hey, I bet you SFII would beat ANY DMC game, and it wouldn't even be close. Heck, I wonder if a DMC game could beat SFIV. People who bring up SFIV's struggles neglect to mention that Dante's games has NEVER looked good in ANY scenario. Let's be consistent and fair here. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/17/2009 4:56:58 PM | message detail |
Ryu/Dante
is weird. There is literally zero evidence Ryu can win that match
(Dante's impressive showings against Auron, Yoshi and in both fourways
against Ryu's having embarrassed himself ever since 2005), and if 2003
never happened it would be a near consensus BOP pick in Dante's favor.
Yet for whatever reason, I have this nagging feeling Ryu can win. He
strikes me as a character that got their results skewed a lot by
fourways, and the only thing giving me pause here is comparing the 1v1
performances. Dante went 50-50 with Yoshi and 45-55 with Vincent. Ryu
got his ass handed to him by Bowser (the villain's contest high can
only be blamed so much for this), and the "mister consistency" 42% on
Mega Man in 2006 doesn't even good. Mega Man was awful that
year. The only match where Mega Man passed the eye test was against...
Ryu. Axel and Sora bled him to death, and Snake just rolled him over. Then there's the fact Street Fighter chokes in any game contest. The Mario RPG fiasco in 2004, losing to the original Sonic twice in 2009 (and make no mistake here, all three Sonic games sucked through that entire contest; the only time Sonic looked good was.... beating Street Fighter 2). And then there's infamously needing a last second rally to beat Persona 4, in a match where a lot of gurus were expecting it to beat Grand Theft Auto 4. If Ryu > Dante 2003 didn't exist, this wouldn't even be a debated match. There is nothing else anywhere that suggests Ryu can win this. All the characters and all the games have routinely sucked in contests for years now. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone has one and no one thinks theirs stinks." -Lunar 2 |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/17/2009 4:57:52 PM | message detail |
From: voltch | Posted: 12/17/2009 7:40:02 PM | #272 That match won't even be close. Terra is awful. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,. "You're not a good person. You know that, right?" |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/17/2009 4:59:41 PM | message detail |
Kirby
stole all of L-Block's steroids last year. The one win against Dante
was with Leon dragging Dante down, and the other was that inexplicable
win over Sonic. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ "This is good... isn't it?" |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:02:35 PM | message detail |
Mewtwo got tripled by Cloud and resisted the doubling a week later. Gee, could it be possible that Mewtwo resisted a doubling because Cloud was sharing a poll with Squall and Sora? I WONDER. Look at the next round where Mewtwo got whipped by WCC, got more than doubled by Snake, and got more than tripled by Cloud. You can chalk that up to Last Place Factor if you want, but Cloud tripled Mewtwo two out of three times, so I tend to think that's the more reliable result. Mewtwo's best performance is a solid showing on Bowser sharing the poll with Toad, and Bowser has hardly looked that great in recent years. In 2007, Mewtwo got 46.58% on Bowser with Toad. In 2008, Phoenix Wright got 45.36% on Bowser with Luigi. Yeehaw! Mewtwo has ONE good match, potentially two if you want to count the match with Bowser as a good win. I wouldn't take him to beat Pikachu. Pikachu beat L-Block, Mewtwo got whooped by WCC. I wouldn't take Mewtwo to beat Dante under most circumstances either. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/17/2009 5:03:47 PM | message detail |
Dante's impressive showings against Auron, Yoshi and in both fourways against Ryu's having embarrassed himself ever since 2005 Dnate's never faced Auron and Yoshi had no reason to beat Dante, so losing to Yoshi -- even if it was close -- isn't a positive. --- T E A M C H O C O L A T E http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7355/64590879.png |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:06:30 PM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #276 People still took Dante to beat Kirby all the same. (Dante's impressive showings against Auron, Yoshi and in both fourways against Ryu's having embarrassed himself ever since 2005) Dante has never faced Auron. Ryu is the one who beat Auron in 2007. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/17/2009 5:09:08 PM | message detail |
I meant to say Vincent, sorry. --- MUSIC CAN BE OBJECTIVELY DEFINED AND ITS QUALITY EMPIRICALLY MEASURED BY THE INEQUALITY [WHAT I LIKE > WHAT YOU LIKE]. -Jaraqua Lefty Jones |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/17/2009 5:10:08 PM | message detail |
Yeah, he barely beat Auron with Cloud also in the poll. That match is hardly a positive in Ryu's favor. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ "Truly, if there is a god of destiny, he is fond of plot twists." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:15:59 PM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #281 Kratos couldn't do it. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:16:14 PM | message detail |
Well, with Sephiroth in the poll, but nevertheless. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 5:19:45 PM | message detail |
Well, you'd expect Ryu to do better than Kratos, considering he did beat him with 57% back in 2006. As for Dante/Kirby......who thought Kirby wasn't in Dante's league? Kirby put up 57% on Tidus and 48% on Bowser in 2005, then 48% on Luigi in 2006.....why would anyone have thought he wasn't in Dante's league? --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 5:22:24 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #277 This is uncharacteristically combative, dunno why. Either way, Pikachu has had a ton of strange matches in the 4way format; perhaps more than anyone. Based on all his 4way antics, his range is ridiculous, and if I had to pull a few of those matches to reflect his true strength, they would not be the ones where he crushed Leon Kennedy and put up like 47% on Crono. Similarly, I wouldn't use Mewtwo's match where he walloped Squall and Sora as any kind of realistic strength indicator. That's the whole point I'm trying to make - that if you take their most "normal" matches, there's no conclusive evidence as to which is stronger. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 5:25:56 PM | message detail |
damn,
I'm actually starting to be convinced to pick Dante>ryu, Ryu for me
sounded like an easy win, because even if Dante was indirectly
stronger, well like Mario/Samus the RSFF or SFF would favour Ryu in the
capcom hierarchy. --- Shakes Fist! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:26:17 PM | message detail |
I wasn't trying to be combative. I think I was still kind of on a roll from my Dante/Ryu rant. Plus, talking about how Mewtwo managed to avoid a doubling from Cloud while failing to mention Sora and Squall were in the poll is Albion-esque. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 5:28:11 PM | message detail |
I
took it as a given, just like the weird Pikachu matches. Everyone knows
he went from getting his butt kicked by Leon to kicking Leon's butt
because Dante was thrown in there and because Pikachu got a pic
advantage. I felt I didn't need to point that out. >_> --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/17/2009 5:30:13 PM | message detail |
Not
to interrupt the current conversation, but I caved in...I can't find a
good reason anymore for Geno to beat Ness. I'm going back on that
principle. --- T E A M C H O C O L A T E http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7355/64590879.png |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 5:30:35 PM | message detail |
Come
to think of it we all assume Ryu/Dante's winner beats Leon, that's a
gimme, but if you switched their places, and had Ryu/Leon, then what? and if you picked Ryu to win, would he win by a bigger margin than Dante....CRAP, now I can't choose who wins. --- Shakes Fist! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:32:45 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
but I just felt like people were making unfair, one-sided, half-story
arguments in Dante/Ryu, and then it seemed like you did the same thing
with Mewtwo/Pikachu. Like I said, that's the kind of stuff Albion does,
and it annoys me. I wasn't angry at you personally, and if I came off
that way, I apologize. But if you take Pikachu's and Mewtwo's most normal matches, I take Pikachu. You can only find one match where Mewtwo isn't dealing with some sort of SFF, and that's the match with Cloud/Snake/WCC in round 4. He got tripled. Pikachu's most "normal" matches would be round 1 and 2 of last year. He beat Tidus easily twice (which I wouldn't take Mewtwo to do), and he got 42% on Leon Kennedy. Hey quick, Ike vs. Midna, who you got? --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:33:14 PM | message detail |
If you don't think Ryu can beat Leon, then you definitely shouldn't take him to beat Dante. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 5:34:33 PM | message detail |
I'd
love to take Leon in Round 3, but he had a shot at Dante last year and
couldn't convert. Maybe if he had gotten a bit closer... ...although there is Darkside Chronicles which was just released, and the HOTLY anticipated RE5 Alternative Edition + Downloadable Content will be available right around the time of the match! How could I not have seen this before?! --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 5:34:57 PM | message detail |
I
think Ryu beats Leon alright, but I don't think he can win by as big a
margin as Dante and head to head against another capcom character, I'm
not sure what happens. This has so much SFF going on it's bad. --- Shakes Fist! |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 5:36:18 PM | message detail |
huh,
about RE5 alternate edition dlc, what does that have to do with Leon? I
though the game was all about Chris Redfield, unless it's like a
sidestory where you play as Leon? --- Shakes Fist! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:38:32 PM | message detail |
Jill is going to be the beneficiary of this new RE5 stuff, not Leon. Too bad Jill's not put into a position where it'll matter. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 5:41:15 PM | message detail |
Midna
vs Ike... I'm not sure, although I'd probably side with Ike. I've
admitted that the Midna match is Mewtwo's worst, but even that one was
strange with Cloud lapping up almost 54% while Mewtwo had to fight off
a Zelda character (yes, even Midna) for the crumbs. If the bigshot in
that match had been a much weaker character, like a Dante let's say, I
bet Mewtwo would have dispatched Midna with greater ease. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 5:42:09 PM | message detail |
Ness ought to beat Geno. He's got Smash and Geno doesn't. Are Pikachu's matches really that varied? Let's look at the 2008 matches and toss out the L-Block match. He beat Arthas 55-45 with Ike in there, and then beat Alucard 51-49 and Arthas 59-41 with Captain Falcon there. Then he put up a little above 42% on Crono/Vincent and 37% on Samus in a match that can be considered more or less fair- if anything Pikachu was at a disadvantage there from SFF and Last Place Factor, but he appears to have dodged both (or else he's really really strong). Let's say Pikachu gets 55% on Alucard without Falcon there. Using that 42% on Crono, Alucard is projected to get around 37-38% on Crono last year. That seems pretty reasonable to me, and it shows Pikachu is quite strong- 42% on Crono 2k8 is Luigi/Yoshi/Bowser territory. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:42:15 PM | message detail |
If you put Ike in Midna's place, I'm not convinced he doesn't take second place there. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2009 5:54:39 PM | message detail |
And
there's really no way Geno beats Ness. I look for all opportunities to
bash Ness wherever possible, but I can't imagine a scenario where Geno
wins. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
