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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 766
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:30:09 PM | message detail |
the
thing with tidus though, is even the most hardcore FFX fans hate him. i
don't know the pokemon fanbase that well, but do they hate Pikachu? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 2:32:18 PM | message detail |
I hate Pikachu! But I don't hate Charizard. But I hate Pikachu. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
HaRRicH | Posted 12/17/2009 2:32:55 PM | message detail |
this
is actualyl a great point. I remember people arguing Magus would be
stronger than Crono back in the day since the CT fanbase prefers him (I
even argued this in 2003!), but then we see him flop compared to Crono. I don't recall many CT-fans publicly hating on Crono, nor do I remember Crono's face being whored about every which way (which I don't know yet if that's a bad or good thing for Pikachu's strength anymore). I'm a Pikachu > Charizard kind of guy, but Charizard should get more credit than the Crono/Magus comparison. --- T E A M C H O C O L A T E http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7355/64590879.png |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:33:58 PM | message detail |
I always found it really funny that most people on this board claim to hate Pikachu, and yet his board vote is superb. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 2:34:08 PM | message detail |
You hate animechu. Timid Pikachu with Lightball=WHOAMG hehe suckers, I'm gonna pwn your non EV trained pokes with a well placed thunderbolt. --- Shakes Fist! |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:35:03 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #201 Like I said, Pikachu carries a stigma for being the mascot of a previously reviled franchise. He represents Pokemon's "selling out" and "kiddiness". --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/17/2009 2:35:36 PM | message detail |
Whoa... whoa... whoa People are taking Dante > Ryu as a possible outcome? I took Ryu out of that fourpack and didn't look back. What the hell has Dante done since 2005? Ryu is Mr. Consistancy, and even though Dante is closer than he was last time, Ryu still takes it easily. Dante > Ryu is almost as bad as Red > MMX or Cid/Zack > MM... --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:36:11 PM | message detail |
From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #207 Done well in contests? --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:36:16 PM | message detail |
turtle'd --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/17/2009 2:37:10 PM | message detail |
His one good match against Vincent, just months after DMC3, his biggest game by far? --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:38:38 PM | message detail |
If
this was years ago I would say Pikachu was hated, but now you can't
really argue that, just look at his performance over the past two years. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 2:39:05 PM | message detail |
Well let's put it this way, SFIV vs DMC4, which game helps out the most? --- Shakes Fist! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:39:07 PM | message detail |
Dante (2007c) VS Ryu (2007c) Dante has a strength of 33.17. Ryu has a strength of 28.05. Dante wins with 57.72% of the vote! A win of 24,080 with 156,000 total votes cast. yeah, ryu has totally looked better than dante in recent years just drop it turtle --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:39:55 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #211 I'm not saying people hate his guts like they used to, but again, there's a black mark on his history that can't be erased. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:40:23 PM | message detail |
From: Biolizard28 | #214 and people like to hate on ffvii here, too --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 2:40:54 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #204 uhhh I'm probably partly responsible for that a bit Anyway, where is the conclusive evidence that Pikachu is stronger than Mewtwo? Mewtwo got about 47% on Bowser in his first match ever. Pikachu got a little over 44% on Luigi in his final 2007 match. Granted, Bowser was dealing with Toad, but Pikachu was riding some momentum late in the bracket and would likely not have looked so strong on Day 1. Mewtwo also hit 70% on Ness and 63% on Pac-Man despite another Smash/Nintendo character in the poll. I don't see anything conclusive. I also think that Charizard is likely stronger than Mewtwo. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
FFDragon | Posted 12/17/2009 2:42:04 PM | message detail |
From: Biolizard28 | Posted: 12/17/2009 5:39:55 PM | #214 Time heals all wounds, as the past two years have been showing us. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:42:22 PM | message detail |
I also think that Charizard is likely stronger than Mewtwo. I would argue that, but didn't 2008 Mewtwo almost lose to Midna? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:43:35 PM | message detail |
If
you want proof that Pikachu isn't hated go look at GameSpot, he
defeated Nathan and was close to Kratos, there were no signs that he
has any hate left. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:43:56 PM | message detail |
Well,
46% on Crono and taking down the Block, but that's unfair to use of
course. However, the very next round, Pikachu put up 42% on
Crono/Vincent and 37% on Samus Aran herself, which is very impressive. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/17/2009 2:44:12 PM | message detail |
Dante got doubled by Sephiroth. Do you think Ryu would get doubled by Sephiroth? --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:44:19 PM | message detail |
yo, if you really think that pikachu would struggle to beat midna, then more power to ya --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:44:38 PM | message detail |
From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #221 yes --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 2:46:04 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #218 He did, that's his worst performance, but nearly everyone had those in that wonkyass format. Pikachu got his ass kicked by Leon before returning the favor like a week later. Mewtwo got tripled by Cloud and resisted the doubling a week later. Now which are the "true" Pikachu and Mewtwo. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:46:10 PM | message detail |
Do you think Ryu would get doubled by Sephiroth? Yes. This is Sephiroth we're talking about. The man who impales Mario while using his extensive array of hair-care products. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/17/2009 2:46:38 PM | message detail |
I don't even see very convincing evidence that Pikachu is stronger than Mewtwo, and I'd take Charizard over Mewtwo in a second. Pikachu beat Tidus convincingly as he did Alucard, beat L-Block (something Ryu failed to do, for whatever reason it at least puts him around that area). Mewtwo struggled to beat Midna who bombed to Scorpion and well, dominated a fourpack with Ness, Pac-Man, and Travis Touchdown. I'd say Pikachu is at least above Mewtwo as of right now. --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:47:32 PM | message detail |
looking
at mewtwos matches, he looks better when he's dealing with less
percentage. So maybe he's got stronger hardcore votes, but Pikachu
blows him away when dealing with high percentages --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:49:51 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #219 If you want proof that Pikachu isn't hated go look at GameSpot, he defeated Nathan and was close to Kratos, there were no signs that he has any hate left. This is part of what is keeping me somewhat with Charizard for the moment, but I don't like using it as justification because well, it was at GameSpot. Wasn't Pikachu winning, or at least making a solid comeback until outside rallying targetted specifically for Kratos's benefit occurred and stopped Pikachu? I would think that here is a more friendly environment for Pikachu, and Pokemon in general, than GameSpot, so if Pikachu could possibly have won there... that should give Charizard a bigger window than I initially would have thought. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/17/2009 2:50:17 PM | message detail |
Ryu
beat the crap out of Bowser in 2007 before his biggest game in 15
years. Dante lost to Yoshi in 2006, when he was still relevant. I don't
know, this one seems like this year's "lol no way pikachu beats all
thos guys pikasuck is fodder aahahahah" --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/17/2009 2:53:28 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #219 If you want proof that Pikachu isn't hated go look at GameSpot, he defeated Nathan and was close to Kratos, there were no signs that he has any hate left. I said this back in 2007 when everyone was calling me stupid for taking Pikachu as far as I did, and I'll say it again: It's no longer "cool" to hate on Pokemon or Pikachu in particular. He's old enough, and far enough removed from the horrible cartoon that most people support him for the amount of time they sunk into R/B/Y. If you were to go to a group of 20 year olds and say "Barney the dinosaur SUCKS" they'd be saying to themselves "Uhhh, what the hell is wrong with this guy", but if you were to say that 10 years ago when you were 10 and trying to distance yourself from childish entertainment the other people would be agreeing with you. --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 2:57:58 PM | message detail |
By the way, their 2008 Round 1 performances: Mewtwo: 70% on Ness Pikachu: 55% on Ike Inconclusive --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:00:21 PM | message detail |
This
is part of what is keeping me somewhat with Charizard for the moment,
but I don't like using it as justification because well, it was at
GameSpot. I'm just saying that if Pikachu is not hated on a "cool" site like GameSpot then there's no reason to believe that he's hated on GameFAQs especially when we have two years of proof to show otherwise so I'm not really understanding the Pokemon > Pikachu stance some people have in this topic. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/17/2009 3:04:25 PM | message detail |
Pikachu
hate has lessened a lot, but it's still there. During the
Kratos/Pikachu match I saw a decent number of people flipping out on
the GS boards over the dum rat. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:04:31 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #232 This is part of what is keeping me somewhat with Charizard for the moment, but I don't like using it as justification because well, it was at GameSpot. I'm just saying that if Pikachu is not hated on a "cool" site like GameSpot then there's no reason to believe that he's hated on GameFAQs especially when we have two years of proof to show otherwise so I'm not really understanding the Pokemon > Pikachu stance some people have in this topic. Oh, I wasn't addressing whether or not Pikachu is still hated. My answer to that would be, "A little, but much, much reduced." I was actually taking a look at how the actual Pikachu/Kratos match played out over there. And if my memory is correct, Pikachu was winning/making a comeback until Kratos had a rally. And I'd think that Pokemon would do much better here rather than there, so that gives Charizard a bigger window in a match against Kratos here. It's that part that makes me nervous about looking at GameSpot, because I don't trust any of the results there remotely, so trying to look at that one is kind of... illogical on my part. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 3:06:04 PM | message detail |
pikachu's hate at this point is like cloud's, the vocal haters are there, but most people vote for him anyway. --- Shakes Fist! |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:08:13 PM | message detail |
So
why would the biggest Pokemon (don't try to argue that point) be weaker
than some one from his series when there is not hate to hold him back? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/17/2009 3:11:37 PM | message detail |
Mewtwo: 70% on Ness Pikachu: 55% on Ike Sure sure, but I don't know how strong you think Midna actually is. If Midna is anywhere even near Pikachu's level, Scorpion and Frog look like Gods. --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/17/2009 3:12:41 PM | message detail |
Oh, and Kratos Aurion would look pretty beastly too. --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:12:51 PM | message detail |
I've updated the BOP (21 Brackets) http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Stats on matches that people have talked about/are interesting... Round 1 Alucard – 12 Magus – 9 Pokemon Trainer Red - 14 Revolver Ocelot – 7 The Boss – 15 Nathan Drake - 6 Liquid Snake – 14 Altair - 7 Zack Fair - 16 Yuna – 5 Laharl - 13 Neku Sakuraba – 8 Arthas Menethil - 12 Kefka – 9 L-Block - 17 HK-47 – 4 Charizard – 16 Duke Nukem - 5 Tidus - 11 Sub-Zero – 10 Jecht – 14 Phoenix Wright - 7 Ratchet – 16 Eddie Riggs - 5 Darth Revan – 15 Terra Branford - 6 Big Daddy – 17 Soap MacTavish - 4 Round 2 Weighted Companion Cube - 11 The Boss – 7 Nathan Drake - 3 Vivi Ornitier - 11 Liquid Snake – 7 Altair – 3 Master Chief – 16 Ryu Hayabusa – 4 Spy - 1 Kratos – 12 Charizard - 9 Dante - 14 Ryu – 7 Ness – 12 Big Daddy – 8 Soap MacTavish - 1 Tifa Lockheart – 15 Gordon Freeman - 6 Round 3 Sonic the Hedgehog – 17 Ganondorf - 4 Sora – 13 Bowser - 8 Charizard – 9 Kratos – 9 L-Block - 3 Dante - 14 Ryu – 5 Leon Kennedy - 2 Squall Leonhart – 19 Auron - 2 Round 4 Sonic the Hedgehog – 11 Kirby - 7 Ganondorf – 3 Sora – 11 Bowser - 6 Charizard – 2 Kratos - 2 Round 5 Sephiroth – 11 Solid Snake - 10 --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:13:03 PM | message detail |
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xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:14:21 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #236 So why would the biggest Pokemon (don't try to argue that point) be weaker than some one from his series when there is not hate to hold him back? Is this to me? If so... watch this incredibly shaky reasoning. Pikachu was likely even with, or beating, Kratos on GameSpot before Kratos got a rally. Pikachu, and presumably Pokemon in general, would be stronger on this site than on GameSpot. Kratos might even be stronger there than here too. Assuming those premises are true (which is a huge stretch and why I said I do not very much like this)... Pikachu should have a decent lead on Kratos in a 1v1 here. Now, Charizard no longer needs to be stronger than Pikachu to win, he just needs to be close enough to get by. Like I said though, I really, really don't like this particular argument, but it is one that had occurred to me. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 3:14:36 PM | message detail |
The Boss – 15 Nathan Drake - 6 thats the most surprising for me. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 3:14:58 PM | message detail |
Dammit all, the Snake>Sephiroth upset is way too popular. Tidus/Subz is rightfully (imo) the most unsure. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:18:07 PM | message detail |
Sephiroth – 11 Solid Snake - 10 Sephiroth going in as the "underdog" would be amazing. I'm seriously stunned Snake is that close to Sephiroth. >_> --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
ZFS | Posted 12/17/2009 3:19:50 PM | message detail |
That's not too surprising. People are going to overshoot Snake until he disappoints them. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 3:19:58 PM | message detail |
Sephiroth
has gone out as a ***** the last two years and was beaten in the final
update by Snake the year before that. It's not surprising that people
would forget what a beast he is, but my god, he is such a beast. I'd
probably give Snake less than a 20% chance there, but hell's bells I'm
taking it! --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 3:20:28 PM | message detail |
I'm actually surprised Snake isn't getting MORE support He's been a beast these last few years and this is the perfect match for him to jump to the next level, and people are rooting for him --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 3:21:42 PM | message detail |
I'm
surprised how little support Ganondorf is getting....well not really.
Board 8 bases its thinking on victory more than anything else. If Zack
had gotten an extra 1200 votes against Mario last year? Zack > MM
would be getting a ton of support right now, and people would be
calling for Mario's head at the hands of any near-elite. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
FFDragon | Posted 12/17/2009 3:21:47 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | Posted: 12/17/2009 6:19:58 PM | #246 Aren't all three of those attributable into running face first into the Cloud SFF buzzsaw though? --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/17/2009 3:23:04 PM | message detail |
Sephiroth
is almost certainly going to win that match. If it was a night match
and Snake only had to hold on for 12 hours, I would give him a shot,
but 24 hours? Nope. Doesn't mean I'm not taking Snake! --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
