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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 766
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 1:50:08 PM | message detail |
Augh
I so want to take Frog to win two matches in a row, I hate depending on
Bowser not to disappoint. Luckily their match takes place during the
day. I want to take Frog there so badly too. If it were a night match, I would take that upset and hope....as it is it's just unlikely enough that I have to force myself not to take it out of CT fanboyism. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 1:56:04 PM | message detail |
Ike
wouldn't smash him, but it would be like 56-57%. And based on how Marth
easily beat Kefka, and I'd take Ike to easily beat Marth... don't think that really gives Kefka a fair chance anyway --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 12/17/2009 1:58:50 PM | message detail |
Augh why do Leon and Dante always run into each other in these things. Don't have to worry about that this time! --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:00:44 PM | message detail |
This Charizard nay-saying is both discouraging and silly, imho --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/17/2009 2:00:57 PM | message detail |
Ryu>Dante is easily the most improbable upset I've heard people talking about. That includes Red>MMX and Bowser>Sora. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:01:53 PM | message detail |
From: Biolizard28 | #154 there is too many "sure fire" characters we've nominated that were anything but. best to take a wait and see approach before calling him to take out near elites --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 12/17/2009 2:02:56 PM | message detail |
Ryu > Dante is one of the most
probable upsets I've seen people talk about, actually. Anything
involving Pokemon is almost worse by default, especially those that
deal with Red. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/17/2009 2:04:05 PM | message detail |
Please.
Ryu and SF in general have been in a freefall for years. SFIV almost
lost to Persona IV, Ryu got 60-40d by Bowser a few years back, barely
beat out Auron when Cloud was in the poll, ect. It's going to be ugly. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
ffmasterjose | Posted 12/17/2009 2:04:23 PM | message detail |
Frankly,
Ryu has done nothing but disappoint me everytime I've counted on him -
I had that man going to the Division Finals with Crono last year. Ouch.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:05:11 PM | message detail |
I'm
inclined to change to Charizard > Kratos. Might as well be
consistent since I've already got Red > MMX. And Ryu > Dante just
is not happening, whatever the results were in 2003. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/17/2009 2:05:54 PM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3282 Look at that. Just how much stronger do you think Crono is compared to Dante, exactly? --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:06:51 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #156 Duke Nukem and Kratos aren't near elites in my book. Hence silly. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:07:40 PM | message detail |
From: Biolizard28 | #162 I dont mean Nukem, I meant Kratos. And Kratos is Sonys icon essentially these days, and been top 20 borderline last 2 years, so I'd say he's a near elite --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
FFDragon | Posted 12/17/2009 2:07:42 PM | message detail |
Duke Nukem is a near elite... ...in my heart. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:08:12 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #160 if you're going for Red > MMX, might as well go for the less absurd matchup too! --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 12/17/2009 2:09:53 PM | message detail |
Street
Fighter hasn't been in 'freefall' at all. Taken a dip in popularity,
yeah, but that's what happens when your series doesn't get a notable
game in ten years -- closer to 15 for most of the GameFAQs population.
Ryu has maintained his same general area of popularity for years, and
there's not much reason for him to get weaker coming off of Street
Fighter IV. The characters from the games have always been much
stronger than the games themselves, that's not new. DMC and Dante are
the same way. Ryu over Dante isn't the 'likely' outcome, but it's absolutely a winnable match for Ryu. Dante and Leon both are perfectly within his striking range to win, and pointing to any of L-Block's weird matches in 2008 isn't really an argument against that in my mind. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:10:24 PM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3282 Look at that. Just how much stronger do you think Crono is compared to Dante, exactly? If we're judging Ryu off of that poll, he doesn't look too bad. But that's probably the nicest poll we could show for Ryu in the past couple of years, and it's probably because of L-Block being there and the effort to support Ryu to take him down. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:10:35 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #163 Kratos didn't put up a good enough fight last year for me to even consider Kratos vs. Pikachu a gimme. Charizard's less likely to carry the same stigma as Pikachu, and probably comes closer the representing the power of the series itself. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:11:19 PM | message detail |
Ryu may have not defeated L-Block, but he was still did a good job on Crono. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/17/2009 2:12:12 PM | message detail |
I
would sooner take Dante over Auron then Ryu over Dante. Dante is just
on another level, and everything points to it. There's absolutely
nothing to suggest Ryu wins there. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:12:49 PM | message detail |
based
on last 2 years i'd give Kratos a 55-45 win over pikachu. so only
chance in my eyes that charizard beats kratos is if he's significantly
stronger than Pikachu which i see as impossible --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:13:30 PM | message detail |
Right,
but you can't take that poll at face value- you really should compare
him to Pikachu the next round, who was put in an almost identical
situation- and delivered. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:14:40 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #171 Except he is. It doesn't hurt to read other people's posts. Or instead of copy-pasting old ones you've made making new points. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:15:05 PM | message detail |
Right,
but you can't take that poll at face value- you really should compare
him to Pikachu the next round, who was put in an almost identical
situation- and delivered. The same poll where Alucard magically died to give Crono and mostly Pikachu a boost? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:15:52 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #174 How does Alucard being out of his league help ANY of the other characters? --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:16:22 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #174 Right, but you can't take that poll at face value- you really should compare him to Pikachu the next round, who was put in an almost identical situation- and delivered. The same poll where Alucard magically died to give Crono and mostly Pikachu a boost? It wasn't magic, it was all part of The Plan. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:16:38 PM | message detail |
Except he is. It doesn't hurt to read other people's posts. Or instead of copy-pasting old ones you've made making new points. Maybe in the Pokemon fanbase, but that fanbase also says that GSC was the best generation and we all saw what happened in the games contest. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:17:38 PM | message detail |
The same poll where Alucard magically died to give Crono and mostly Pikachu a boost? Ammy wasn't exactly tough competition either. You're probably right that Pikachu got a bigger anti-L vote than Ryu, but can you look at those polls and take Ryu over Pikachu directly? I would take Dante over Pikachu immediately. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:18:50 PM | message detail |
From: Biolizard28 | #173 i've never seen any statistical proof that he is even at pikachus level, let alone stronger. until i see that, i will peg him at mewtwo level --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:18:54 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #177 I don't see your point. If you're referring to its loss against RB, that can be chalked up as nostalgia boosting it to the win. Which Charizard can take full advantage of. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:20:24 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #179 So basically, newcomers are never allowed to be strong because no evidence exists that they are strong. Okay. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:21:08 PM | message detail |
From: Biolizard28 | #181 of course they are allowed to be strong but top 20 without any proof? no --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:21:34 PM | message detail |
i've
never seen any statistical proof that he is even at pikachus level, let
alone stronger. until i see that, i will peg him at mewtwo level To be fair, how exactly could someone even come up with statistical proof for Charizard? It's not like we have any past showings of him. We don't have any statistical proof that he's stronger than say... Laharl, either, do we? --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 2:22:43 PM | message detail |
Ryu
is a pretty big upset pick, but he can still come through. It's funny
to see people taking other huge risks call this one improbable (if not
downright impossible). In five years of 1v1, when has Dante actually come through with a big win? --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:22:47 PM | message detail |
We don't have any statistical proof that he's stronger than say... Laharl, either, do we? its common sense he's stronger than laharl. its not common sense that a random pokemon is stronger then one of the biggest icons of gaming --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:22:55 PM | message detail |
How does Alucard being out of his league help ANY of the other characters? You do know that for Pikachu to do what he did to Alucard in round 3 he would have needed 91.15% of Captain Falcon's votes (assuming even splitting between Alucard and Arthas). --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:24:02 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #185 Charizard is far from a random Pokemon and MUCH more of an icon than Kratos. These are facts. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:24:32 PM | message detail |
From: Biolizard28 | #187 I meant one of the biggest icons in gaming being Pikachu I'd put him as one of the top 5 icons of gaming in general --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:24:34 PM | message detail |
I
would guess that Pikachu is the strongest pokemon, which is why I'm
hesitant about Charizard > Kratos. (No, that does not apply to the
main character!) Pikachu/Charizard feels like a Crono/Magus thing to
me. The hardcore Pokemon fanbase insists Charizard is more liked, we
talk about rSFF or just plain SFF in favor of Charizard a lot, then the
match comes, and we're treated to an SFF beatdown by the one who can
use lightning. --- 6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno 'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared.... |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 2:25:20 PM | message detail |
Have we discussed capcom SFF yet? Ryu is higher up the pecking order surely, Dante has choked many times, he's like always impressive against the low end tiers, but in close matches, he'll tend to lose more often than not, he's like the near,near elite. --- Shakes Fist! |
xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:25:32 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #185 We don't have any statistical proof that he's stronger than say... Laharl, either, do we? its common sense he's stronger than laharl. its not common sense that a random pokemon is stronger then one of the biggest icons of gaming I'm not saying it is. I keep switching this match around, which is probably a sign that it ends up in Kratos's favor by the time I'm done, but if we're setting the bar for proof at requiring statistical evidence, well, that bar isn't going to get cleared for anyone because such evidence doesn't exist. I mean, Vincent certainly had no problem being a newcomer and being Top 10. FFVII, yes. But if RBY is arguably Top 3 in games... I actually think the "Can't be stronger than Pikachu" argument is valid, though I'm not entirely sure I agree with it yet. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:26:01 PM | message detail |
Pikachu/Charizard feels like a Crono/Magus thing to me. this is actualyl a great point. I remember people arguing Magus would be stronger than Crono back in the day since the CT fanbase prefers him (I even argued this in 2003!), but then we see him flop compared to Crono. Just cuz the hardcore fanbase might prefer one charater doesn't mean in general they do. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:26:05 PM | message detail |
Charizard is far from a random Pokemon and MUCH more of an icon than Kratos. These are facts. Now that's a lie, he could be the most popular Pokemon, but he's not an icon (or at least by today's standards). Crono is strong, but I don't think anyone would call him an icon. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Submit bracket here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52670380 |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/17/2009 2:26:55 PM | message detail |
I don't even see very convincing evidence that Pikachu is stronger than Mewtwo, and I'd take Charizard over Mewtwo in a second. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
FFDragon | Posted 12/17/2009 2:27:23 PM | message detail |
Every
time someone brings up that Charizard being an icon for RBY and being
on the boxart as the reason he could be stronger than Pikachu, I find
myself wondering if everyone has forgotten the Y part of RBY. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/wesker.gif |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/17/2009 2:27:35 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #194 don't pull a turtle here, yo --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/500x_ffps3.jpg |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 2:28:08 PM | message detail |
you
know, you could make a case for Cloud not being an icon, ask any non
gamer who Snake is, and then ask who lara croft is...yeah. --- Shakes Fist! |
xp1337 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:28:11 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #192 Pikachu/Charizard feels like a Crono/Magus thing to me. this is actualyl a great point. I remember people arguing Magus would be stronger than Crono back in the day since the CT fanbase prefers him (I even argued this in 2003!), but then we see him flop compared to Crono. Just cuz the hardcore fanbase might prefer one charater doesn't mean in general they do. But it also doesn't necessarily mean they can't be. Auron and Tidus, for example. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
Biolizard28 | Posted 12/17/2009 2:29:46 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #189 It's not just the hardcore fanbase. Most people who only played the first generation probably won't admit to liking Pikachu. They certainly know who he is, but he carries a certain stigma about him. He's cutesy. He's the face of the franchise that pretty much no self respecting adult/teenager would admit to liking until a few years ago. Charizard doesn't have to deal with that. He was featured on the most popular version of the most well received gen's cover. His card was THE card to have back in the day. He was a starter Pokemon and probably the most well liked of them all. He's prominently featured in the anime. Despite the exposure, he manages to remain well liked for his design and style. He has everything Pikachu has minus the residual disgust for something "kiddy". I say again, no Pokemon can tap into the franchise's true strength like Charizard can. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
voltch | Posted 12/17/2009 2:29:58 PM | message detail |
I
agree with FFD, Pikachu being able to follow you was a really big deal
back then, you can't get more iconic than having pikachu follow you all
game long, unless you was a douche and boxed him. --- Shakes Fist! |
