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If Magus/Frog happened, I just know Magus would collapse at the end and Frog would pull off his heroics somehow.

This. If there is any way possible for Magus to lose a match, it will happen. (What, me bitter?)

Soap is going to murder Big Daddy, then get his ass kicked in by Geno.

With you on the first, Turtle!
...but not so much on the second. Hell, I could see Big Daddy making a match of it with Geno.

Kirby.....I've been back and forth about this all day, but I just switched back to Sonic. That 60-40 win of Sonic's over Luigi right after Luigi beat Kirby comfortably is too much, as much as I want to take Kirby based on last year and this format.

Didn't this happen in 2006, though? I know you can't trust 4-way stats, especially for Kirby, but I don't like 1v1 stats from three years ago much better.

Anyone else think Snake will appear much weaker this year? I mean, Snake's the kind of character that really benefits from fourways, considering how he went from losing to Samus 1v1 to upsetting a SFFed Sephiroth in a fourway. Plus Brawl and MGS4 having come and gone, with nothing much on the horizon.

It just makes it funny that a few people may seriously pick him over Sephy. I don't see Snake getting too close to 45%. At best, he'll pass Mario's percentage from 2005 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2130), but probably more like to get around 43%.

I don't think Snake's going to be at his 2006 level, though he sure as hell doesn't have to worry about Mega Man beating him or struggling against Bowser ever again.
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Not Wylvane

Magus/Frog has already happened. You can see the result in one of CT's endings.

Too bad I missed out on SoapFAQs and Google Fight earlier. You guys talk too much, dammit.
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From: swirIdude | #015
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One of the funnest Round 1 results would be Rikku dropping the hammer of whoamgupset all over Kirby.
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I'd be completely ok with that.
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I think 4-ways skewed a ton of results and we're going back to normal a bit this year.

I'm sorry, but Kirby is not going from 50-50 with Bowser to beating Sonic. He just isn't. And no matter who wins Snake/Sephiroth, I have a feeling that match will be a gigantic letdown. Like, one of those 57-43 matches whoever wins.
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Eh I have a feeling Seph/Snake will be at least 52/48 if anything.
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I wouldn't know what to think if Snake puts a beating on Sephiroth that he'd be expected to give to Squall.

But yeah, the more I think about it, the more confident I feel about Sonic winning his division. I'd never take the Ganondorf upset in a million years, and I doubt Kirby can pull it off in a 1v1 and without the L-Block steroid effect.
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Like, one of those 57-43 matches whoever wins.

Whoever wins? You think it's possible for Snake to score 57% on Sephiroth?
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From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 12/17/2009 4:07:37 AM | #062
Like, one of those 57-43 matches whoever wins.

Whoever wins? You think it's possible for Snake to score 57% on Sephiroth?

57% is hyperbole a bit, but I think 12 hour matches are going to mess with our heads. If the original Sephy v Mega Man was only 12 hours long, Mega Man would have won it. We're going to get at least one shocking wigged out result where we blame the poll only being 12 hours long.

Watch it be Gordon Freeman > Tifa, too.
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If Gordon beats Tifa, I'd half expect Valve to rally the troops against Sephiroth. It would be hilarious.
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Good news gang! Ed and I recorded our first episode of "The Show" tonight- it's a program all about the GameFAQs Contests, and we plan on doing a new EP once a week. Check it out!

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Valve aren't that strong are they?
I mean what numbers did freeman put up in like well 12 hours over at gamespot?
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Shakes Fist!

The thing about Snake/Sephiroth is that I can see Sephy winning with absolute ease, but I can't see Snake doing it. That's almost got me wanting to switch to Sephiroth.

And I have a hard time seeing Rikku beat Kirby unless she gets a hentai pic.
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I wouldn't take snake over samus/mario(though i don't think samus or mario could break 51% on snake), my logic is mario/samus not beating seph and FFVII/MGS SFF goes in favour of sephiroth.
Those are the only reasons for me taking sephiroth over snake.
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Shakes Fist!

Snake doesn't seem to be bothered by FFVII/MGS SFF.
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There's no way to tell really, he have never gone up against either Cloud or Sephiroth in 1v1 before.

though Snake/Cube/Cloud/Mewtwo saw Cloud mop the floor with him.
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Anyone else think Snake will appear much weaker this year? I mean, Snake's the kind of character that really benefits from fourways, considering how he went from losing to Samus 1v1 to upsetting a SFFed Sephiroth in a fourway. Plus Brawl and MGS4 having come and gone, with nothing much on the horizon.

Well, Samus also beat Sephiroth in a 4-way, under less favorable circumstances too- Cloud was still in the poll hurting Sephiroth, but Link was there too!
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From: LeonhartFour | #067
The thing about Snake/Sephiroth is that I can see Sephy winning with absolute ease, but I can't see Snake doing it. That's almost got me wanting to switch to Sephiroth.

And I have a hard time seeing Rikku beat Kirby unless she gets a hentai pic.

I don't think Rikku has a hot enough hentai pic to pull that off.

I'm definitely thinking Snake/Sephiroth will be 57/43 in favor of Sephy. Snake's going to come back down to Earth this year.
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Not Wylvane

What do you guys feel 1-vs-1 will change?

What kind of attributes does 1vs1 favor?

Which characters are most vulnerable to a 1vs1 format? Give one example.

Which characters are most likely to be boosted in a 1vs1 setting?

Where will the changes manifest themselves most? Midcarders, Nintendo, Playstation, a lot of people seem to think Snake changed, what gives?

Things could have changed quite a bit from the last time the contest was held in this fashion -- and whoever figures out in which way it has beforehand gains an advantage. I have a pretty good idea and picked accordingly on my bracket. How do you feel about this?

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Shake

I have this strange feeling that yeah, a lot of the things will probably 'come back to normal' to so speak but that doesn't mean we won't see our few share of crazy surprises.
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*is Dranze*
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Personally I don't think the jump between four-ways and 1v1 will be that different, all you have to do is remove the crazy stuff.
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though Snake/Cube/Cloud/Mewtwo saw Cloud mop the floor with him.

Mopped the floor? I wouldn't say that. Cloud got about 57-60% on him, which is about what I'd expect.

What do you guys feel 1-vs-1 will change?

I'm not sure what you mean by "change." It gives the contest more "legitimacy." I hate to use that word, but it does. There's no LFF, and there will be less weird factors to deal with.

What kind of attributes does 1vs1 favor?

Attributes? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Which characters are most vulnerable to a 1vs1 format? Give one example.

Obviously, cult characters get hit pretty hard by something like this because there aren't three other characters to split the vote with. Now there's only one. Characters like Phoenix Wright thrived in a 4-way setting because of a hardcore fanbase, in the opinion of many. A lot of people think joke characters will suffer as well, like L-Block. Would it really be able to get at least 50% against an established midcarder such as, say, Yuna?

Which characters are most likely to be boosted in a 1vs1 setting?

I'm not necessarily a big proponent in the idea that the format drastically changes the strengths of characters. A lot of people think Sonic Team suffered because of the format, and so they'll do better with the switch back to 1-on-1. I'm not necessarily sure I believe that or if Sonic Team just stinks now. We'll see. That'd be the biggest group to watch out for, at least.

Where will the changes manifest themselves most? Midcarders, Nintendo, Playstation, a lot of people seem to think Snake changed, what gives?

Like I said, I don't think the format really changes a lot, nor does it favor any particular group more than another. Snake didn't really "change," per se. He boosted a lot thanks to Brawl and MGS4, but it seemed pretty strong in our last 1-on-1 contest, not just during our two years of 4-ways.
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I think it will be pretty different. A certain kind of character does very well in 4way and bad in 1 vs 1. Some characters have deep support and some have broad support.
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Shake

Obviously, cult characters get hit pretty hard by something like this because there aren't three other characters to split the vote with. Now there's only one. Characters like Phoenix Wright thrived in a 4-way setting because of a hardcore fanbase, in the opinion of many. A lot of people think joke characters will suffer as well, like L-Block. Would it really be able to get at least 50% against an established midcarder such as, say, Yuna?

Yup, this is my mindset as well, but you can take it even further.


I'm not necessarily a big proponent in the idea that the format drastically changes the strengths of characters. A lot of people think Sonic Team suffered because of the format, and so they'll do better with the switch back to 1-on-1.

I believe this too. Sonic is as 'broad' a character as they come, he is very recognizable and will do better.
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Shake

What do you guys feel 1-vs-1 will change?

What kind of attributes does 1vs1 favor?

Which characters are most vulnerable to a 1vs1 format? Give one example.

Which characters are most likely to be boosted in a 1vs1 setting?

Where will the changes manifest themselves most? Midcarders, Nintendo, Playstation, a lot of people seem to think Snake changed, what gives?

Things could have changed quite a bit from the last time the contest was held in this fashion -- and whoever figures out in which way it has beforehand gains an advantage. I have a pretty good idea and picked accordingly on my bracket. How do you feel about this?

Back in 2007, when we first switched to 4-ways, the hardcore fanbase theory, the idea that characters with more devoted, hardcore, fanbases would thrive in 4-ways due to being able to win with a lower percentage of votes, was popular, and I was a proponent of it too. But after 2 contests, this theory has fallen flat on its face time and time again. Of course, it's hard to tell what is the effect of the format and what is simply year-over-year variation, but at the least there is no evidence for the hardcore fanbase theory after 2 years, and a good deal of evidence against.

I think a pretty good explanation is that "hardcore" characters are usually also the least independent. That is, their fans are the most likely to have played the games of the other characters in the poll, and thus to be fans of them too. Take Chrono Trigger as an example. A typical CT fan may love its characters to death.....but he has probably also played at least 1 and probably more, maybe all 3, of the games of the other characters in the poll. Maybe this CT fan will vote CT over 90% of all games he's played.....but if he's played, say, 200 games, that's still 20 games he would vote over CT. If any one of those 20 games appears in a poll with CT, he'll be voting against it and not for it.

On the other hand, take a typical casual gamer who likes say, Call of Duty. Maybe he's not a terribly devoted fan, and maybe he'll only vote it over 75% of the games he's played. But if he's played only 20 games, there's only 5 games he'd vote over it. If none of those 5 games appear in the poll, he's voting Call of Duty. Basically, the advantage a character gets from having a hardcore fanbase is offset by the greater overlap his fanbase has with other fanbases- and overlap is the one thing you want to avoid at all costs in 4-ways.

I think my explanation is basically sound, but this contest will probably throw a few curve-balls at us. I do expect something really unexpected to happen- contests have a habit of doing that. As for Snake, I wouldn't think the format change would affect him much- it's not like he wasn't already really strong in 2006.

The 12-hour thing is an interesting twist, and I think that can help hardcore characters a bit, because their fanbases will make sure to vote for them no matter which poll they're in that day, whereas characters who depend on people just coming in to look at FAQs could suffer somewhat. FFVII probably stands to lose the most from this effect- the early anti-FFVII vote is strong, and now FFVII will have half the time to recover from it.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

As for Sonic, after thinking about it, (most of) his fanbase is neither hardcore nor independent, so I guess that does make him a prime candidate for doing worse in 4-ways.
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

Let's talk about Isaac vs. Professor Layton

I think people aren't giving Layton a fair shot. His first game wasn't released in Europe at the time of his first match and he has a new game released just this past year. Also I believe that people are overrating Isaac's performance last year. Sure going even with Lucario and doing well against Altair was good, but that was before we knew that Altair was only around the fodder line.

I can see the match being closer than what some people expect.
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I think my explanation is basically sound, but this contest will probably throw a few curve-balls at us.

Sounds really good. But I do think that recognizability also plays into it -- let's say this Call of Duty fan who has only played 20 games encounters a poll with Sonic, Marcus Fenix, Phoenix Wright and Zero. He votes for Marcus Fenix because he played Gears of War at a friends house once or whatever.

Now he encounters a 1vs1 poll with Sonic and Zero. He has not played any games from either, but he at least recognizes Sonic -- from a comic, commercial, animated show, name it.

I think that with fewer options in the poll there will be more floating voters who can be swayed by superficial things -- recognizability at the forefront, even something as silly as the picture.

I don't think we're looking at changes of over 5% at any time, but I do expect something. I expect Tidus to do better again, since he's broad. Auron will be slightly weaker.

Auron vs Squall will not be close.
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Shake

Layton couldn't even get 10% last year, and the overall strength of the characters in the poll wasn't that great. New game or not, I don't think Layton has a very broad appeal. I don't see any reason to pick him over Isaac.
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Isaac got 21% in a much weaker poll, Master Chief and Raiden would smash that poll and even Kain Highwind would take at least a dominant second. Layton is more known now than he was in 2008. Isaac does have Golden Sun 3, but I'm not too sure on how much hype that game has right now.
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Auron/Squall won't be close? Only if you mean Auron's blowing Squall away...!

Leonhart and red sox answered your questions well enough, though I'm siding with red sox on his hardcore/independent theory lately for most characters (Phoenix being an exception; I do think he's an example of the hardcore improving).
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wait, who is siding with auron here?
It's a debatable match for sure, but the smart money's on squall, so who is risking it all on auron here?
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Shakes Fist!

Looking at the BOP not many...

In other news the BOP will have it's first update later tonight.
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YAY!
finally get to see what the REAL most debated matches are.
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Shakes Fist!

wait, is there no Guru this year?
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xyzzy

Yeah Isaac/Layton doesn't feel like a gimme as I original though. Isaac barely got like 60% on Guybrush, but that could possibly be with Lucario being in the same poll. The Isaac the year before looks so much better, so that's just my take on it.

Layton's new game also doesn't seem to be all that good.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3561

Heh worse than Madden, but the GoTY polls will answer a lot of our questions.
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*is Dranze*
Krahen Prophet did a fatality.

The topic probably just hasn't been made yet.
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Haven't heard anything about the Guru, but then, there's still almost a month before the contest starts. Did we still have sign-ups in here last contest or was there a separate topic for it?
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6 years later, Crono's quest to defeat Sephiroth -- Round 1: Missingno
'Till shade is gone, 'till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared....

well, dissidia edging out B:AA could give food for thought, it could give a bigger boost than i thought, but Nippon Ichi software's title Bombing there, could laharl already be in trouble?
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Shakes Fist!

I really wanted to pick Layton for that match, but Golden Sun fans are a rabid bunch.

From: red sox 777 | #093
Haven't heard anything about the Guru, but then, there's still almost a month before the contest starts. Did we still have sign-ups in here last contest or was there a separate topic for it?

Pretty sure we've had separate topics for a while. I bet Ngamer puts it up today.
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heck, why don't we just ask him now?
Someone's bound to know how to contact him at a moment's notice during contest season.
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Shakes Fist!

I have Ngamer right under the paramedics on my emergency speed dial.
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You know, I noticed that the seeding spots of 6/11 and 3/14 were switched (it doesn't matter); but I guess Ceej had the order wrong or something back in the 2004 days.
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