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Snake > Sephiroth AND Cloud, believe



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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

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You forgot and > Link.

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Phoenix to round 3!
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Squall will take out all those punks!
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

You made this just seconds after my suggestion to add poll times to the first post.

Maybe next topic.
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Snake > Cloud actually makes a lot of sense, from a winning the contest perspective. If you're going to take him over Sephiroth, might as well take him to be a little stronger than that and go all the way over Cloud too. You'll lose all the people who are taking Snake > Sephiroth, which is probably going to be a pretty popular pick before the contest starts, and very few people who know what they're doing will dare to take Snake > Cloud.
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.

Cloud is probably 53-55% on Sephiroth though. That's a decent jump, especially since most people who pick Snake will probably have it as a slim margin.
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Cloud > Link train choo choo
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3302

this is by far the best reading we have on Snake in recent times, no SFF. Cloud beat him soundly with 57-43.
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Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.

by now link could have his ST pics for the entire contest and he'd still do just as well.
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Shakes Fist!

no way, if we did that then we would get "toon Link" strength, you know, the guy who only got 14% against regular Link

2003 was actually Link's strongest year by far, since he managed to almost beat Cloud despite using his second weakest iteration. If he had been classic Link he would have won that match with ~75%

/joke
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Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.

My main reason for picking Altair over Liquid is that its a day match. I think for a 24 hour match, it would be very close, with Liquid maybe having a slight advantage... but when you count only the day, Altair beats him.

Plus of course AC2 is fresh on the minds of people while last contest, AC was about a year old. We've seen how games being fresh on peoples minds help characters (Master Chief)
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We've seen how games being fresh on peoples minds help characters (Master Chief)

Basically all this proves is that pre-game hype is worth more than post-game hype. Twilight Princess and Brawl say the same thing.
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From: LeonhartFour | #016
We've seen how games being fresh on peoples minds help characters (Master Chief)

Basically all this proves is that pre-game hype is worth more than post-game hype. Twilight Princess and Brawl say the same thing.

Chiefs later matches that year were post game.
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Anyway, speaking seriously about Charizard, he's got a decent shot at beating Kratos. He's not the favorite there, but it could happen. Beating Sora/Losing to Duke are pretty much impossible.

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Actually looking at the dates, the only match before Halo 3 was his first rounder. All the matches he actually showed real legit noble 9 strength were post game.
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Losing to Duke isn't impossible. It's much more likely than him beating Sora, in my estimation.
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

Losing to Duke would require him to be weaker than Marth, which is...out there.

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For a character we've never seen, who has a huge range, it is possible.

Lucario lost to Marth, afterall.
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c'mon duke

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always bet on duke
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yeah I'd agree there. Charizard would have to be stronger than Pikachu to beat Sora. I don't see that as a real option. Charziard would have to be weaker than Mudkip to lose to Duke. I don't see that as a likely scenario, but I'll put it as being more likely than the Pikachu situation.

Charizard's most likely path is a r2 loss to Kratos, but he could beat Kratos. I don't have a lot of faith in Kratos after the bomb he put up against Auron last year.
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xyzzy

From: KamikazePotato | #021
Losing to Duke would require him to be weaker than Marth, which is...out there.

Or it would require...DUKE NUKEM FOREVER

Believe.
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Charizard can be stronger than Pikachu and still easily lose to Sora. Sora's pretty damn strong these days.

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Always bet on Zard.

I'm taking every Pokemon character to the almost-reasonable limit

Zard > Kratos !

Red > MMX !

Pikachu, Mewtwo, and Missingno doing nothing interesting ;_;
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Now I know how people felt when I was hyping WoW to be contest champ!
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Yeah, but Charizard HAS to be stronger than Pikachu is what he's saying, and I agree that I don't know if that's a probably scenario.
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I'm taking every Pokemon character to the almost-reasonable limit

Red > MMX !

what
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almost reasonable!
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Mudkip has joke votes though.

I still think Mewtwo is the best measuring stick.
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Now I know how people felt when I was hyping WoW to be contest champ!

probably the best Albion post of all time.

I think the 'zard talk is reasonable until you start going over Sora. everything else is fine, but it's just so loud and omnipresent that it gets annoying to someone who reads this topic often.
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xyzzy

And with that out of the way, I have taken Charizard to the quarterfinals

aw yeah

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His floor: Lucario
His Ceiling: Mewtwo

And I'd never take Mewtwo to beat Kratos!
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I'm taking every Pokemon character to the almost-reasonable limit

Red > MMX !

what

If Red can be as strong as Crono he can beat MMX.

With that said I have Ocelot winning against Red
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Pikachu or Kratos?
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Zard is stronger then Mewtwo.
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Ocelot>Red is another result that simply isn't going to happen. I don't really get the Pokemon talk around here, with the exception of Charizard/Kratos their paths are set in stone.

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dammit pokemon

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when people start comparing a generic brawl character to crono you know pokefear is in full swing
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From: KamikazePotato | #035
And with that out of the way, I have taken Charizard to the quarterfinals

aw yeah

...Didn't you just say beating Sora was impossible?

Oh right, fanboy pick, move along.

everything else is fine, but it's just so loud and omnipresent that it gets annoying to someone who reads this topic often.

So Charizard is this year's Zack!

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pretty much, yeah.
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From: KamikazePotato | #040
Ocelot>Red is another result that simply isn't going to happen. I don't really get the Pokemon talk around here, with the exception of Charizard/Kratos their paths are set in stone.

Much more likely that Red loses to Ocelot than that he beats MMX. There is serious potential for Red to bomb and look like utter crap. I don't know how you can deny this.
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From: LeonhartFour | #043
So Charizard is this year's Zack!

red skinned pikachu
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Why can't Zack be this year's Zack?

Zack > Mega Man believe.
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From: FFDragon | #047
Why can't Zack be this year's Zack?

Zack > Mega Man believe.

He's gotta beat Yuna first...!
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

Ocelot>Red is another result that simply isn't going to happen.

Not if voters think they are voting for the Brawl character.

Let's go picture factor.
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