GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 764
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 11:41:33 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #350 I'd say that Mewtwo is a much better gauge of his strength then Pikachu. Pikachu is a gaming icon; Charizard isn't. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/15/2009 11:42:19 PM | message detail |
I always find it funny when people who have no idea what the Pokemon fanbase is actually like try to make claims --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 11:43:06 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #352 ask a random person on the street if they recognize pikachu or charizard more which they will pick is quite simple --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
AsurasKordoth | Posted 12/15/2009 11:44:48 PM | message detail |
I like how KP just accused Team Rocket Elite of not knowing what the Pokemon fanbase is like. --- ~AK~ // Merc |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 11:44:55 PM | message detail |
Hell
I'm a good example of this. I never knew much about pokemon but I knew
exactly who pikachu was. He's an icon of gaming. I never knew who
charizard was till Brawl. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/15/2009 11:45:08 PM | message detail |
...I was referring to Albion, man. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/15/2009 11:45:40 PM | message detail |
Being
a gaming icon is defintely a plus for Pikachu, but it isn't everything.
Charizard is potentially liked a lot more than Pikachu to make up the
gap. It's not like Charizard isn't also plenty recognizable himself. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2009 11:45:50 PM | message detail |
I never knew who charizard was till Brawl. Ignorance isn't brag-worthy, Albion. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 11:46:30 PM | message detail |
just
because charizard might be liked more by the hardcore doesn't mean in
the big scheme of things he's liked as much as pikachu --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 11:46:59 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #358 I don't follow Nintendo games so I'd have no reason to know a character who was never in contests or any games I've played. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2009 11:48:33 PM | message detail |
I'm still not sure how you avoided not knowing anything about Charizard at all. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 11:48:47 PM | message detail |
like
for example I think that Rune Walsh is one of the best rpg characters
ever but I wouldn't call people ignorant just cuz they don't know him
because they didn't have a Genesis. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 11:49:11 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #361 I never owned a Nintendo system until a used GC halfway through that gen. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/15/2009 11:49:24 PM | message detail |
When
you refer to people who like Pikachu but don't know Charizard, those
aren't casuals. Those are people who have probably never played a
Pokemon game in their life, and have only seen the marketing, and
aren't likely to vote for either regardless. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
AsurasKordoth | Posted 12/15/2009 11:52:02 PM | message detail |
Right
but we're not talking about people off the street, we're talking about
people who visit GameFAQs. Pretty sure 90%+ knows who Charizard is.
He's a lot more likable than Pikachu who is often associated with the
kiddy side of Pokemon. --- ~AK~ // Merc |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/15/2009 11:53:37 PM | message detail |
ask a random person on the street if they recognize pikachu or charizard more And Mario would smash Cloud in that as well. Who cares what random people on the street think? Pikachu is defintely more recognizable than Charizard even on GameFAQs, but both of them should have sky high levels of recognition. Hell I'm a good example of this. I never knew much about pokemon but I knew exactly who pikachu was. He's an icon of gaming. I never knew who charizard was till Brawl. You're a single person and you're not really anything like the average GameFAQs user. Just because you didn't doesn't say a thing about the GameFAQs userbase. just because charizard might be liked more by the hardcore doesn't mean in the big scheme of things he's liked as much as pikachu It's by no means a guarantee but not much is before we get to see him in a match. Is there a good chance he's as strong or stronger than Pikachu? Without a doubt. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 11:55:33 PM | message detail |
Whatever,
I'll just wait and see how he looks against Duke. I'm just shocked that
a character who struggled to get into the bracket and needed massive
NRT support is getting this much love and people think he can hand with
the elites out of no where. It just seems really weird to me --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
Mac Arrowny | Posted 12/15/2009 11:55:52 PM | message detail |
Not
sure if this has been mentioned before, but what do you guys think
about Shepard and potential TJF? Since the character has both male and
female iterations and all. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. |
swirIdude | Posted 12/15/2009 11:58:23 PM | message detail |
I'm sure Shepard's pics will all be the default model, so no TJF in sight. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
Calintares | Posted 12/16/2009 12:00:23 AM | message detail |
If Link/Cloud were a 12-hour non-finals match during Cloud's best hours, would you take it? --- Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/16/2009 12:04:12 AM | message detail |
I'll just say one last thing about Charizard I remember so many people saying how Lucario and all was "all badass", just like they are about Charizard, and he had Brawl like Charizard... and he nearly lost to Issac. Thats main reason I'm so hesistant to believe all this hype --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:08:03 AM | message detail |
The difference there being that Lucario is from DP, while Charizard is from RBY and a starter. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2009 12:08:45 AM | message detail |
I'd take Link to beat Cloud in any reasonable circumstances. Charizard is not going to live up to all this hype, but he's going to end up stronger than Lucario. I'd be shocked if he didn't. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
UItimaterializer | Posted 12/16/2009 12:09:48 AM | message detail |
I
wouldn't pick Blastoise or Venusaur to beat Kratos, I'll say that much.
I know Charizard is the most popular of those three by a mile, but I
won't be at all surprised if he loses in round 1. And I don't think he
has a prayer in round 2. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ Every breath leaves me one less to my last. |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/16/2009 12:10:29 AM | message detail |
Another
thing to keep in mind regarding why it took so long for Charizard to
make the bracket is that for many years Pokemon entries were weak.
Pikachu got murdered by Fox in 2k3, GSC got killed by Xenogears the
next year. Charizard was too weak to make the bracket back then. It
wasn't until the series contest in 2006 that Pokemon started to show
some life then Pikachu went on to kick ass in 2007 and 2008 and this
was followed by RBY's run in 2009. The 2007 and 2008 contests are
really the only contests where Charizard was a potential contender and
didn't make the bracket and 2007 doesn't really count since nobody knew
Charizard was a contender back then. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2009 12:14:56 AM | message detail |
TRE,
you're awesome and all, but you sound like a "Charizard apologist".
It's true that his odds of making a 64 man field in the early contests
weren't good, but if Charizard was this amazingly loved Pokemon that
can best Pikachu, I would have expected him to make it into a 128-man
field before, without the need to push him in through the NRT. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:17:57 AM | message detail |
Pokemon
is the ultimate ensemble cast. Asking for anything but Pikachu to
receive unilateral support (and him only because he's the mascot) is
crazy. I mean look at Mewtwo. Poor guy is already a 12 Seed. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/16/2009 12:19:29 AM | message detail |
plus
theres been a bunch of pokemon in before charizard... if he's
supposedly the best, why did it take him so long to get in while others
like lucario, mewtwo, bidoof, mudkip, nidoran f, etc all got in before
him? And I know Mewtwo was a NRT push, so even back then people musta
thought higher of Mewtwo then Charizard since they decided to focus on
Mewtwo first... so why should I believe he should be any stronger then
Mewtwo? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2009 12:20:19 AM | message detail |
Did Mewtwo need the NRT to get in the first time? I don't recall. It's interesting that Mewtwo is sticking around, he's been irrelevant for a decade now, and lost in Round 1 when he first appeared. All that really tells me is that Pokemon RBY is the strongest gen...and we knew that already. Also, the hardcore nominators were able to keep Mewtwo in the field but never get Charizard in? I still think this doesn't bode well for Charizard. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2009 12:21:00 AM | message detail |
plus
theres been a bunch of pokemon in before charizard... if he's
supposedly the best, why did it take him so long to get in while others
like lucario, mewtwo, bidoof, mudkip, nidoran f Oh come on!! --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:21:19 AM | message detail |
lucario Brawl mewtwo NRT bidoof Joke nom mudkip 4chan nidoran joke nom for female bracket --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/16/2009 12:21:26 AM | message detail |
From: swirIdude | #380 i was just stating pokemon who made it before charizard --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2009 12:22:20 AM | message detail |
You also asked why did it take Charizard longer to get in then 3 characters that werent nominated as Pokemon but as jokes... --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/16/2009 12:22:21 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #381 And as I said, I know Mewtwo was NRT, so the people here must have thought higher of him then Charizard at the time to make him the focus. So, as I asked, why should I believe now that he should be any stronger then Mewtwo if people didnt think it back then? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2009 12:23:40 AM | message detail |
To
be fair, it would be nice to see Mewtwo in a better match then he got
with Bowser and Toad. Or Ganondorf this year. Give him a Square
character, test his mettle! At least Charizard is going to get his
polar opposites in Duke and Kratos. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:23:52 AM | message detail |
Also,
the hardcore nominators were able to keep Mewtwo in the field but never
get Charizard in? I still think this doesn't bode well for Charizard. You're seriously not making sense anymore. This happens every time a character makes the field and does half-decently. People nominate characters that have already in the contests much more than newbies, it's why B8 stops supporting them long after they get in once. Plenty of guys in the past have needed pushes to get in, then did fine when they did. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:24:40 AM | message detail |
I mean, are we going to start ragging on Cid now? Dude needed the vote-in polls to get in, I don't see anyone saying he'll flop. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/16/2009 12:25:21 AM | message detail |
you know as well as I do he had the noms to get in for years, it was just a cap for FF7 --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:26:34 AM | message detail |
Bullcrap. We have every FF7 character in this contest as the last one, plus Cid. What cap? --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2009 12:27:04 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #387 No one would say Cid could flop because he's set up against a Noble Niner in Round 1. There is no expectation for him because of that. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:27:11 AM | message detail |
And if he had had nominations for years, he would've have been anymore near the vote-ins after a huge B8 push. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/16/2009 12:27:31 AM | message detail |
Of
course theres not a cap this year, we got 7. But we both know for years
there were only 5 FF7 characters allowed. Its why Tifa was cut in 2007
and Aerith was cut last year. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2009 12:27:50 AM | message detail |
Actually,
its possible SBAllen did cap FF7 again, if it was all the FF7
characters from the past contest. And then Cid got in on the vote-in
poll. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:28:15 AM | message detail |
Aerith and Tifa are 14 and 10 seeds, respectively this year. They didn't get cut, they dropped the ball. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/16/2009 12:28:38 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #391 you really think characters like Tanner have gotten more noms then Cid? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2009 12:28:53 AM | message detail |
Does anyone remember when we thought Aeris as an 11 seed was ridiculous? --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 According to the Krahenprophet, Dweebenheimer! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:30:02 AM | message detail |
Yes? It happens. There's a 'how is he here' character or two every year. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/16/2009 12:31:20 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #397 Well I don't. With how popular FF7 is here, I'm sure even characters like Barrett get enough noms to make the field, thus why theres a cap in the first place --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png Vote Vault Boy! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 12/16/2009 12:33:19 AM | message detail |
Cid
Highwind needed a huge NRT push to get into the qualifying rounds and
you think Barret (who isn't even on the ballot) is any sort of
contender? Yeah, think I'm done for the night. --- KrahenProphet lived up to his name. |
UItimaterializer | Posted 12/16/2009 12:34:10 AM | message detail |
Cid's being wasted big time against Mega Man. He could have done well in a better place. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ You're not a good person. You know that, right? |
